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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 3, 2014 9:54:57 GMT -5
I was really scared for the former Leakee. (Wtf does that ever mean?), but apparently he's gonna work with Orton for the next loop, Randy will get him over where he needs to be, last year he helped Bryan achieving main event status with the whole "I'm not the weak link" program.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 3, 2014 9:55:26 GMT -5
See, the crowd doesn't ALWAYS reject superpushes. Hogan had a rocket strapped to him from day 1. He's the biggest name ever. More recently, before they cut Ryback off at the knees, he was getting HUGE reactions. He was in no way an underdog pre the ill-advised booking that led to him floundering. True he was not an underdog and that i s a good thing for Ryback.But he also wasn't super pushed.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jul 3, 2014 9:57:53 GMT -5
I'm all for this. Reigns has a good look, is improving in the ring and has the power move style that most casual fans love. He's gonna be the guy.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 3, 2014 10:26:19 GMT -5
From dominating jobbers to main eventing in months.
Yeah, it was a stopgap push cuz of Cena's injury, but it was absolutely a superpush for Ryback in the short term.
And it worked, which is why them botching it is even dumber.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 10:26:50 GMT -5
Reigns is the guy. Bookmarked this thread so we can agree on this when he wins the title from Lesnar at Mania. Winning matches doesn't mean a push succeeded. Justin Gabriel could be booked to go 100 and 0 for the next year. The crowd rejecting it means it failed. Also WWE is the one that's making/going to make the push fail. They're taking something the people are liking and making it obnoxious. "Look at what a badass he is! LOOK DAMN IT! LOOK AT HIM! Here's footage of him putting the mailbox flag up when there's not even any mail inside to deliver!"
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 3, 2014 10:38:17 GMT -5
I don't think the crowd will outright reject Reigns since he has enough Shield good will build up. That said, I think he'll be lukewarm at best if put in the role of a main event babyface. This might also sound odd but it might not be doing him any favors that WWE hasn't even repackaged him since the Shield break up. He still is just Roman Reigns 1/3 of The Shield with similar music and attire.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 3, 2014 10:44:03 GMT -5
I don't WANT him to fail, he just bores the shit out of me. He does 4 moves, and even the spear has been looking sloppy lately.
I hope he gets it together (and I know if the crowd likes him skill is secondary at that point) so I can tolerate his push.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jul 3, 2014 11:16:20 GMT -5
I like Reigns and he could be huge if he was a strong, silent badass who didn't say much, just appeared and kicked ass.
Instead though, WWE have decided he'd work best with a crappy stand up routine.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jul 3, 2014 11:18:57 GMT -5
I'd rather have RR as the top guy over Dean Ambrose any day.
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Post by froggyfrog on Jul 3, 2014 11:32:06 GMT -5
It's not gonna fail. He's the right choice. This isn't a Lashley-esque situation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 11:35:03 GMT -5
He needs a LOT of tweaking to get to that top level.
He needs a better look, a broader moveset, to develop more of a personality.
But in two or three years? Sure. He'll be great. Problem is I think they'll try to put him at the highest level before he's ready.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 3, 2014 11:35:55 GMT -5
I like Reigns and he could be huge if he was a strong, silent badass who didn't say much, just appeared and kicked ass. Instead though, WWE have decided he'd work best with a crappy stand up routine. I don't know... As time passes, I think that one drink-spiking angle looks more and more like an ill-advised one-off, because I don't recall him doing much wise-cracking recently (at least to Cena/Sheamus levels, if not at all).
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Post by walterharrow on Jul 3, 2014 11:37:56 GMT -5
People love(d) Reigns because he was the big, badass member of a group which allowed him to do his thing without overexposing himself. WWE tried pushing Ryback (and no matter what people say, he stopped getting great reactions. The crowd hardly reacted to his entrances at Hell in a Cell and SS) and they also tried to give Big E a bit of a push, but they both failed. Being an unstoppable, badass babyface isnt really what people want
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 11:39:54 GMT -5
It's funny, people saying Reigns has the "it factor" and using that as a crutch are missing the fact that Ambrose has the "it factor" as well. Ambrose is also better in the ring, on the mic, hell as an overall talent compared to Reigns. Only thing Reigns has over him as being a talent is the fact The Rock is his cousin. Besides that, Reigns has the look the company is going for, that's about it though. He doesn't have that "everyman appeal" like Ambrose has which is similar to Austin and Bryan. That goes a LONG WAY in making a connection to the audience. That's just not a fan talking, that says a lot about a character and how they resonate. Foley, Austin, they all have mentioned the connection that Ambrose has with the fans and while they've said Reigns will be a star, in the long run, the connection is what matters most. I think Reigns will be a star but the reality of the situation is that you cannot push the next "head of the table level top babyface" this way and have it work out, it just doesn't work like that anymore.
I want Reigns to succeed, I like Reigns but I don't think it'll work. Definitely not. In all of my years of wrestling, no, the crowd won't take lightly to this at all. There's just something that always sticks out with Reigns and how this is portrayed. You can literally see that something isn't right with them. We all remember what happened to Cena for example.
Everything being said about Reigns is the same exact thing said about Batista, Sheamus and even Diesel in the day. The problem with this is that it's not based on Reigns himself, it's all about the booking. Reigns will naturally improve. If the booking is bad though, he'll end up screwed in the long run. Reigns can be Daniel Bryan in the ring, CM Punk on the mic and have Lesnar's presence and still end up a miss with this type of booking. You just can't just make a guy a top guy because you want him to be one. Yeah Reigns has pops but so did all of the others. We saw what happened there and hell Sheamus, he's better on the mic, in the ring and as an overall talent than Roman. Reigns just has the cool factor over Sheamus these days. Punk is an example of someone with the "it" factor who couldn't surpass f***ed up booking. Bray's cooled down because of bad booking. Like I said, no one in the past 10 years has surpassed bad booking even with the "it factor". Cena, again is another example, we saw what happened when he went over Jericho, Angle and many others back then. Do you honestly think that once Reigns goes over all these people he'll be immune and won't be booed? He doesn't sell Cena level merchandise, what do you think will happen?
Cole - "Oh Reigns is being booed, it's reminiscent to his former John Cena" Maggle - "That just proves he's the top dog now Maggle!!!"
It's not about Reigns, it's about the booking surrounding him.
This type of booking has given us such failed mega-stars as Diesel, Sheamus, Batista, Lashley and Swagger. There isn't one guy in over a decade that has benefited with this hotshot type booking. It just doesn't work these days.
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Post by Bert Hart on Jul 3, 2014 11:40:54 GMT -5
I would like to hear an honest opinion from someone who believes that Reigns should be "THE GUY".
Have you seen him deliver a stand-out promo? Have you even seen him wrestle a singles match longer than 10 minutes in the past 2 years? Have you seen him perform any decent wrestling move outside of a couple power strikes and generic power moves?
THIS is the guy you want to watch in the main event scene for years to come? A numbskull who relies on his looks, delivers weak promos and whose arsenal consists mostly of rest holds and strikes? Yeesh...
I would just love to hear a valid reason for Reigns' push beyond "well he looks cool and pops the crowd lol"
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jul 3, 2014 11:43:51 GMT -5
I like Reigns and he could be huge if he was a strong, silent badass who didn't say much, just appeared and kicked ass. Instead though, WWE have decided he'd work best with a crappy stand up routine. I don't know... As time passes, I think that one drink-spiking angle looks more and more like an ill-advised one-off, because I don't recall him doing much wise-cracking recently (at least to Cena/Sheamus levels, if not at all). To be fair, I don't watch much of WWE now, just keep up with the results and haven't seen an episode since the pike episode. Hope this is true and they've realise their mistake trying to force him into a comedy guy.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jul 3, 2014 11:47:57 GMT -5
I just wanna say that I like Reigns, I've got nothing against him and I hope he has a bright future and suceeds.
But going by what I've seen...he doesn't look ready for it. I mean he could Great Muta out there in singles matches now for all I know and he could be the second coming of Ric Flair when he cuts a promo. But I'm just going by what I've seen, and it's basic.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 3, 2014 11:52:01 GMT -5
They decided Reigns is going to be the next big thing from day one on the main roster, in much the way that they decided that Orton was and they're going to keep pushing him until he's accepted. If this push doesn't work, they'll try again, and again, and again until the audience submits and they have another main eventer that doesn't get anyone particularly excited, see Orton, Sheamus and others.
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Post by Bert Hart on Jul 3, 2014 11:55:48 GMT -5
What bothers me most about the whole "Reigns debate" is the fact that wrestling fans/smarks/IWC complain so much about WWE pushing main eventers with very limited styles while refusing to push those who have the TOTAL package when it comes to being the TOP GUY... and then they turn around and put their full support behind someone likes Reigns who the company likes because of his looks. He can't cut a good promo, he has yet to wrestle a good singles match and his moveset is extremely limited. This is why we can't have nice things!
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Post by rowdy426 on Jul 3, 2014 11:56:15 GMT -5
I would like to hear an honest opinion from someone who believes that Reigns should be "THE GUY". Have you seen him deliver a stand-out promo? Have you even seen him wrestle a singles match longer than 10 minutes in the past 2 years? Have you seen him perform any decent wrestling move outside of a couple power strikes and generic power moves? THIS is the guy you want to watch in the main event scene for years to come? A numbskull who relies on his looks, delivers weak promos and whose arsenal consists mostly of rest holds and strikes? Yeesh... I would just love to hear a valid reason for Reigns' push beyond "well he looks cool and pops the crowd lol" As much as this is going to pain me... I don't think Cena would have qualified under any of these prerequisites before winning the title at WM 21. I may be wrong on an instance or two, but he was never consistently outstanding or anything like that. Those traits didn't come until later.
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