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Post by Chip on Jul 3, 2014 13:39:00 GMT -5
It needs to almost seem like Reigns is NOT going to get there. Thus pissing off the fanbase at large who'll think it's unfair and bullshit like with Bryan. Only then can WWE hijack back their booking and still accomplish the same goal they want without their golden ticket getting shit on when the telltale signs of obvious and predictable manufacturing come to fuller light. It's amusing. We spend so long bemoaning the yo-yo pushes a lot of performers get but in this instance it'd actually be beneficial for once. |
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Post by RIHT on Jul 3, 2014 13:53:34 GMT -5
People want a new face of the company, "anybody but Cena." WWE allegedly (according to dirtsheets) like Reigns in that role. People say, "No, I meant my guy." SMH. This is just me personally, but I don't just want "anybody but Cena", WWE should make the face someone the fans love. Reigns seems to be pushed extremely hard, and I think it will backfire as he looks to be paralleling Cena in his predictability and one-dimensionality. It's always been said, but Daniel Bryan is the most popular guy on the roster. He should be the face of the WWE. When Bret Hart left in 1997 and WWE was looking for a new face of the company, what if they just said, "Oh, let's use Triple H. He's not Bret, right?". Imagine Triple H being thrusted into matches with HBK and Undertaker after being a mid-carder for 2 years and already being groomed to beat Michaels for the title at Wrestlemania, even when Stone Cold is blatantly the most popular amongst fans. "Oh, but he went and got an injury, so let's just forget about Austin. We want Triple H, anyways." That wouldn't be right at all. Both Austin and Triple H naturally progressed to the main event and succeeded because they weren't forced suddenly to that position, especially over anyone else that deserved the spot before they did. It is illogical to solely say "we don't want Cena", but it's not wrong to say "we want Daniel Bryan." Daniel Bryan is the most over wrestler in the world. His rise to the main event was natural. Roman Reigns is not "bad", but he needs more time to build up. He appears to be forced into the main event, and fans will go sour on him if WWE continues this. WWE even has the perfect comeback story for Bryan a la Triple H in 2002, where he can win the Rumble and the title at Wrestlemania. If WWE really wants to build up Reigns, have him beat Cena in a grudge match at WM, then the next year he wins the title. Roman Reigns gained popularity because he was almost the "third wheel" in The Shield when everyone thought Rollins and Ambrose were the stars, yet did cool stuff, too (a la Batista in Evolution). If he wins the Royal Rumble and the title at WM 31, he will never have full crowd support again, as he will be looked at as robbing Daniel Bryan and beating fan favorite (popular, not babyface) Brock Lesnar. People turned on Cena because he stopped a potential Christian push and beat HBK, Angle, and Jericho easily. Roman Reigns should be a main eventer, but Daniel Bryan needs to come before him. You can have two huge main eventers that the crowd love, rather than one guy with mixed reactions that is basically a repeat of the past 10 years of Cena and another below the main event that feels misused and screwed. Good things come to those who are patient, and WWE needs to be patient on Roman Reigns. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 13:58:00 GMT -5
My only concern with Reigns (I think he has loads of upside) is that his repertoire of moves is thin. Very thin. He's like a Medieval knight. He absorbs some damage, charges at things, knocks them over, and calls it a day. He's really, really good at it. But that's about all he can do as far as wrestling goes. I've never seen him do anything else, and it concerns me because that sort of style is very much akin to what John Cena used to do before he became a good wrestler. Remember how over Cena was in 2004 and 2005, and how fast that all deteriorated? I suspect the same may happen to Reigns if they stick to this plan in its current form. Who knows, I could be wrong. Maybe Reigns is like a stock anime hero and busts out increasingly convoluted and flashy moves as a fight escalates, but I've never seen it. 2004 John Cena > Current Roman Reigns. Cena had quite a varied moveset. He had the Throwback, the top rope fame-asser, and a fisherman's suplex in addition to the moves now known as the "Five Moves of Doom". And before he packed on the bulk, he did dropkicks more often. Cena had a better moveset but he also had issues with executing and selling moves properly. Reigns doesn't have that issue quite so much, but his moveset is more limited. In any case, I think it would do Reigns a lot of good to add some more moves in ASAP. |
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 3, 2014 14:07:58 GMT -5
People want a new face of the company, "anybody but Cena." WWE allegedly (according to dirtsheets) like Reigns in that role. People say, "No, I meant my guy." SMH. That's the issue for some, honestly. WWE wants it. And they decided what he'd be before there was any demand, and before he was over to any real degree other than being one of three with the Shield. And thus, they manufactured him to be portrayed as the strongest through clever and preferential booking since last year's Survivor Series wherein he was given the super-elimination spot. And of course, from there, The Rumble where he set the new elimination record. I think some just don't like it when WWE decides ahead of time, before organic demand, to push someone hard, let alone as apparent heir apparent. It's sour grapes of course for the exact reason you stated, but it's human nature. That's not the only thing. There are four or five guys on NXT right now that I wouldn't mind getting a huge, inorganic push. Dean Ambrose, I wouldn't mind getting (more of) a huge, inorganic push. But... freakin LEAKEE? |
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Post by Bert Hart on Jul 3, 2014 14:13:16 GMT -5
Additionally, there seems to be a common opinion that Reigns will be fine if booked as a "strong, silent badass".
My god, how f***ing boring will he be after a few months as the TOP GUY of the company if he barely grunts more than a sentence on the mic and just simply beats on his opponents with his 3 or 4 moves over and over again.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I want Reigns to fail, he has a place on the card, but I don't think I could ever accept him as the face of the company unless something drastic happens to everything about him.
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Post by joeiscool on Jul 3, 2014 14:14:27 GMT -5
HE'S ALREADY OVER.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 3, 2014 14:46:19 GMT -5
Additionally, there seems to be a common opinion that Reigns will be fine if booked as a "strong, silent badass". My god, how f***ing boring will he be after a few months as the TOP GUY of the company if he barely grunts more than a sentence on the mic and just simply beats on his opponents with his 3 or 4 moves over and over again. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I want Reigns to fail, he has a place on the card, but I don't think I could ever accept him as the face of the company unless something drastic happens to everything about him. Worked for Goldberg in WCW. I also would bring up that it worked for Sting during his Crow period, however, it doesn't hurt to have natural charisma to be able to pull it off either. |
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Post by machomuta on Jul 3, 2014 14:52:08 GMT -5
Reigns is over because Ambrose and Rollins carried his ass and made him look good. His promos and in-ring skills sucks.
Reigns would still be down in NXT, if he wasnt related to the Rock.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 3, 2014 15:09:07 GMT -5
The Rumble booking helped a bunch.
It's almost exactly how Diesel got over.
Then again, I'm a Diesel.
"He failed!"
They were putting him against Mabel for part of that. His matches with Bret, Shawn, Taker...personally I loved.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jul 3, 2014 15:21:44 GMT -5
Additionally, there seems to be a common opinion that Reigns will be fine if booked as a "strong, silent badass". My god, how f***ing boring will he be after a few months as the TOP GUY of the company if he barely grunts more than a sentence on the mic and just simply beats on his opponents with his 3 or 4 moves over and over again. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I want Reigns to fail, he has a place on the card, but I don't think I could ever accept him as the face of the company unless something drastic happens to everything about him. That's the thing...he'd be a horrible THE GUY. I'm not saying he wouldn't make a nice second or third banana to the top guy, in the same was Batista, Warrior, Goldberg etc. were. Stong dudes who wrecked stuff. But as the guy you want shoved all over your weekly 5 hour television product every Monday and Friday working 20 minute main event matches and being able to cut some of the best promos in the company at the time (ala Rock, Hogan, Austin, and Cena himself)? He doesn't have that ability, not yet at least. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 15:27:39 GMT -5
Additionally, there seems to be a common opinion that Reigns will be fine if booked as a "strong, silent badass". My god, how f***ing boring will he be after a few months as the TOP GUY of the company if he barely grunts more than a sentence on the mic and just simply beats on his opponents with his 3 or 4 moves over and over again. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I want Reigns to fail, he has a place on the card, but I don't think I could ever accept him as the face of the company unless something drastic happens to everything about him. Damn. You must have hated Goldberg. |
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Post by mrjl on Jul 3, 2014 15:34:40 GMT -5
People want a new face of the company, "anybody but Cena." WWE allegedly (according to dirtsheets) like Reigns in that role. People say, "No, I meant my guy." SMH. This is just me personally, but I don't just want "anybody but Cena", WWE should make the face someone the fans love. Reigns seems to be pushed extremely hard, and I think it will backfire as he looks to be paralleling Cena in his predictability and one-dimensionality. It's always been said, but Daniel Bryan is the most popular guy on the roster. He should be the face of the WWE. but Daniel Bryan isn't available. He's not ready to wrestle, he may need another surgery. And I don't see Bryan wrestling for five of six years on a life destroying injury like Austin did. I'm not sure anyone except maybe Cena would do that right now |
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Jul 3, 2014 15:34:47 GMT -5
It's a pavlovian reflex.
Superman Cena traumatized a generation of wrestling fans. Now everytime someone is handpicked by the management, people start to reject, and hate. See, Sheamus, and now Reigns.
That and the fact that people want to have the illusion that THEY choose the guy who will be the top star. That's why they systematically support "comes from behind indy guy" over "handpicked WWE product".
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Jul 3, 2014 15:41:09 GMT -5
Roman Reigns is awesome.
2012 Ryback was awesome.
Sometimes WWE knows what they're doing, and sometimes the internet needs to get their heads out of their asses and realize that you don't need mic skills or an elaborate moveset to have charisma or to have "it."
Everyone is just paranoid that poor little Dean Ambrose might get lost in the shuffle and so they're taking it out on Leakee. I believe in Roman Reigns, but I also believe in Ambrose and Rollins as well; it's not like only one of them can succeed in the longterm.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 3, 2014 15:41:34 GMT -5
It's a pavlovian reflex. Superman Cena traumatized a generation of wrestling fans. Now everytime someone is handpicked by the management, people start to reject, and hate. See, Sheamus, and now Reigns. That and the fact that people want to have the illusion that THEY choose the guy who will be the top star. That's why they systematically support "comes from behind indy guy" over "handpicked WWE product". that's what always drives me crazy. I've never been interested in interactive stories. I may not like the story someone tells but to me it's there job to tell it to me. I didn't even like choose your own adventure books as a kid. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 3, 2014 15:45:58 GMT -5
With THIS BUSINESS, stories should be interactive. It's one advantage rasslin has, the ability to adapt to what the audience wants.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jul 3, 2014 15:47:11 GMT -5
Honestly I think Reigns is either going to sink or swim on his own merits. He is clearly being groomed for the top face role and it remains to be seen whether or not he'll take to that role or be overshadowed by somebody else, as was the case with Batista who was overshadowed by Daniel Bryan. Much as WWE tries, you can't always pick who the top stars are. Sometimes your hand is forced and you just have to go with somebody.
That said, I don't see the WWE giving up on pushing the guy unless he does something monumentally stupid politically or unless he goes down with a major injury. And both are possibilities. I think that Reigns future is gonna be left up alot to sheer luck. Either he'll make it and the company will have their new Cena or he'll fall short and turn into the next Sheamus.
They've done everything right when it comes to building a new top star minus a few missteps, but I'll admit right now that I just don't see Reigns at that top star level. Upper mid-card, without a doubt, but he still needs to show that extra something that will break him into the upper echelon for good.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 3, 2014 15:52:10 GMT -5
It's a pavlovian reflex. Superman Cena traumatized a generation of wrestling fans. Now everytime someone is handpicked by the management, people start to reject, and hate. See, Sheamus, and now Reigns. That and the fact that people want to have the illusion that THEY choose the guy who will be the top star. That's why they systematically support "comes from behind indy guy" over "handpicked WWE product". ...or, people who disagree with you have good reasons for doing so, many articulated in this very thread, and so these people can't be caricatured as just responding instinctively and illogically. Really, what it mostly boils down to is: Do you enjoy big, tough, hard-hitting bad-ass faces (even though they're horrendously boring and pointless)? Then you'll probably like Reigns's push. At the end of the day, this is REALLY about what kind of wrestling you prefer. The "chosen one" thing strengthens it, and it frustrates people who hate the kinds of wrestlers who get chosen, but it's about the wrestling. ....or, yeah, those mean ol' indie fans are just closed-minded because they only want Ambrose to succeed! yeah or you can believe that. |
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Post by FAR5222 on Jul 3, 2014 15:59:41 GMT -5
If I had an actual choice in picking a big dude who can wreck shit to push, it would be Luke Harper. That man can do everything. Reigns should take a few pointers from him.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 3, 2014 16:01:28 GMT -5
It's a pavlovian reflex. Superman Cena traumatized a generation of wrestling fans. Now everytime someone is handpicked by the management, people start to reject, and hate. See, Sheamus, and now Reigns. That and the fact that people want to have the illusion that THEY choose the guy who will be the top star. That's why they systematically support "comes from behind indy guy" over "handpicked WWE product". that's what always drives me crazy. I've never been interested in interactive stories. I may not like the story someone tells but to me it's there job to tell it to me. I didn't even like choose your own adventure books as a kid. Your preferences, again, are statistically insignificant to a consumer-driven product. WWE is not giving a charity performance. They charge money to see the culmination of their stories and have crowds in attendance who are encouraged (as John Cena puts it) to cheer, boo or react as they want. So, ergo, they are the consumer, and WWE is supplying the demand. A business doesn't decide what should be consumed, and hide or sabotage the products that the company CEO doesn't personally enjoy the taste of in favor of that which he does. The crowd is the customer. It's WWE's job to cater to them, not vice versa. The issue is only not black and white in the examples of like say Cena, where both haters and fans are equal, and completely catering to one over the other is alienating. If there is a clear cut disconnect (hypothetically) from what the majority of the fans want and what the office wants , then the office needs to submit and concede. Roman Reigns is awesome. 2012 Ryback was awesome.Sometimes WWE knows what they're doing, and sometimes the internet needs to get their heads out of their asses and realize that you don't need mic skills or an elaborate moveset to have charisma or to have "it." Obviously Ryback was proof that WWE does not always know what they're doing, because it was them that botched Ryback (and not fans) three consecutive times to the point where he means nothing for business today. |
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