RKTaker
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by RKTaker on Jul 17, 2014 13:04:10 GMT -5
you can really they didn't have to fly over ukraine Thousands of commercial planes fly safely over Ukraine on a daily basis, why would Malaysia Airlines expect there to be any risk? whenever there's a military conflict anywhere you shouldn't fly over it because there's a risk of it getting shot down either by accident or on purpose so malaysia airlines should of known the risks
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 17, 2014 13:09:30 GMT -5
Thousands of commercial planes fly safely over Ukraine on a daily basis, why would Malaysia Airlines expect there to be any risk? whenever there's a military conflict anywhere you shouldn't fly over it because there's a risk of it getting shot down either by accident or on purpose so malaysia airlines should of known the risks Unless commercial air traffic has specifically been told to avoid a region blame cannot be given to an airline. The risk of being shot down, even in a war zone, is still incredibly small.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 17, 2014 13:11:01 GMT -5
Thousands of commercial planes fly safely over Ukraine on a daily basis, why would Malaysia Airlines expect there to be any risk? whenever there's a military conflict anywhere you shouldn't fly over it because there's a risk of it getting shot down either by accident or on purpose so malaysia airlines should of known the risks Not necessarily, if the conflict is mostly ground based among civilians. Airliners flying at 30K+ feet may not have regarded themselves at risk
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RKTaker
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Post by RKTaker on Jul 17, 2014 13:20:00 GMT -5
whenever there's a military conflict anywhere you shouldn't fly over it because there's a risk of it getting shot down either by accident or on purpose so malaysia airlines should of known the risks Unless commercial air traffic has specifically been told to avoid a region blame cannot be given to an airline. The risk of being shot down, even in a war zone, is still incredibly small. not sure if it's 100 % true but apparently pro russia separatists told them not to fly over their airspace
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 17, 2014 13:23:19 GMT -5
This is the part in the story where the conspiracy theorist is quickly drawing up an a overarching narrative connecting Ukraine, Russia, the first missing Malaysian plane, this destroyed plane, along with any number of other elements to create a flow chart where everything is related to everything else. In a conspiracy theory, there are no loose ends.
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Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jul 17, 2014 13:30:49 GMT -5
The problem is that aircraft have been shot down in the region with Soviet-era weapons as of late.
This was always a risk in a region controlled by rebels armed with such archaic weapons. More caution should have been shown from airlines.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 13:34:24 GMT -5
Unless commercial air traffic has specifically been told to avoid a region blame cannot be given to an airline. The risk of being shot down, even in a war zone, is still incredibly small. not sure if it's 100 % true but apparently pro russia separatists told them not to fly over their airspace It wasn't a no-fly zone.
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Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jul 17, 2014 13:35:13 GMT -5
Reports coming from the site say that Russian separatists have found the black box.
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Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jul 17, 2014 13:37:19 GMT -5
not sure if it's 100 % true but apparently pro russia separatists told them not to fly over their airspace It wasn't a no-fly zone. It's being reported that there was a "special notice" given by the FAA in April about Ukrainian airspace. So while it wasn't a no-fly zone, there has been concern about that area for commercial flight. Whether or not that notice only applied to Americans or if other foreign airlines received that sort of warning as well remains to be seen.
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Post by Hakumental on Jul 17, 2014 13:40:49 GMT -5
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jul 17, 2014 13:55:24 GMT -5
f***s sake
That company just can't catch a break
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 14:02:46 GMT -5
I'm withholding judgment on this until we get some conclusive evidence that actually points to anyone perpetrating this. For all we know, it burst into flames and exploded. I don't want to say "Well THEY did it, it's THEIR fault!" and then be proven wrong afterwards, because if there's anything I've learned over the years, it's that Occam's Razor is usually incorrect.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Jul 17, 2014 14:34:14 GMT -5
f***s sake That company just can't catch a break Kinda like TWA during the 70s and 80s which probably help lead to the downfall of that company.
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Post by Burst on Jul 17, 2014 14:46:20 GMT -5
Malaysia Airlines is, I believe, either entirely or majority owned by the government of Malaysia like a lot of airlines in that part of the world, so I could see them weathering it eventually, but I don't doubt for a second that there will be a new brand name or at least a new corporate identity out of all of this.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jul 17, 2014 15:18:32 GMT -5
How the f*** can professional soldiers not tell the difference between civilian and military planes?! I can tell them apart from the ground. me too, this is too f***ed up to be true The tinfoil hat brigade have already started flooding social media with theories that they're both the same plane as part of a false flag operation. I really hate the people sometimes. Of course! The Russian government stole a Malaysian plane mid-flight, hid it for months because of reasons, then had it fly over Ukraine so they would shoot it down and damage their reputation! There is not a single part of this that doesn't make sense! This is the part in the story where the conspiracy theorist is quickly drawing up an a overarching narrative connecting Ukraine, Russia, the first missing Malaysian plane, this destroyed plane, along with any number of other elements to create a flow chart where everything is related to everything else. In a conspiracy theory, there are no loose ends. It's amazing how these people believe that conspirators can pull off those insanely complicated schemes yet can't come up with something that can't be figured out by a couple dudes behind their computer within minutes, or that they can't be oto hide the evidence, or find a way to silence said dudes behind their computers.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 17, 2014 15:22:22 GMT -5
How the f*** can professional soldiers not tell the difference between civilian and military planes?! I can tell them apart from the ground. The tinfoil hat brigade have already started flooding social media with theories that they're both the same plane as part of a false flag operation. I really hate the people sometimes. Of course! The Russian government stole a Malaysian plane mid-flight, hid it for months because of reasons, then had it fly over Ukraine so they would shoot it down and damage their reputation! There is not a single part of this that doesn't make sense! This is the part in the story where the conspiracy theorist is quickly drawing up an a overarching narrative connecting Ukraine, Russia, the first missing Malaysian plane, this destroyed plane, along with any number of other elements to create a flow chart where everything is related to everything else. In a conspiracy theory, there are no loose ends. It's amazing how these people believe that conspirators can pull off those insanely complicated schemes yet can't come up with something that can't be figured out by a couple dudes behind their computer within minutes, or that they can't be to hide the evidence, or find a way to silence said dudes behind their computers. Yep. I've been saying this for years about Alex Jones and other similar nuts, that if they really uncovered as many conspiracy theories as they claim, the conspirators would have killed them ages ago.
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Jul 17, 2014 15:25:04 GMT -5
I know the area was not labelled as a 'no fly zone' but I bet every airline now will be staying the f*** away from the there.
I don't really the know all the facts. Some say it was a horrible accident, others are saying terrorism... and others are spouting crazy bullshit conspiracy theories.
Whatever it is, it's a terrible disaster that should not have happened.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 17, 2014 15:41:13 GMT -5
Of course! The Russian government stole a Malaysian plane mid-flight, hid it for months because of reasons, then had it fly over Ukraine so they would shoot it down and damage their reputation! There is not a single part of this that doesn't make sense! Conspiracy theories don't have to make sense, silly rabbit! They're so complex that regular schmoes like you and I can't comprehend them. Only people with their finger on the pulse can possibly see what the conspirators are trying to accomplish. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}
I've had this kind of discussion with a conspiracy theorist or two, and the response to this is usually along the lines of "I'm safe because if they kill me they'll just be proving I'm correct", and then happily point to the "suspicious" deaths of other conspiracy theorists to prove their point. One of them told me that his friend was "given cancer" by the agency he was seeking to expose.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 17, 2014 15:46:42 GMT -5
I feel sorry for the Malaysian prime minister. All the poor guy ever does is hold press conferences about crashed planes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 16:02:37 GMT -5
Yep. I've been saying this for years about Alex Jones and other similar nuts, that if they really uncovered as many conspiracy theories as they claim, the conspirators would have killed them ages ago. Sometimes I want to believe Alex Jones is merely a Poe.
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