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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 18:29:52 GMT -5
...if you want to lose money. This is kind of like opening a restaurant and saying you'll bring whatever food tto people's tables that you want to. No this is more along the lines of people wanting 1/2 off food all the time, or your seasonal dishes all the time. Yes wwe has great ppv's where everything is really big (like wm/rr/summer slam) But they are the special ppvs. Battleground is kinda the everyday ppv. What happened once again is par for what wwe does. If you don't like it you probably don't like WWE product. If you hate seeing cena beat the Odds don't watch matches where the Odds are against Cena. If you hate seeing Bray Wayatt cheat and lose don't watch matches were Bray is a heel. If you hate seeing matches being canceled to advance story lines you probably shouldn't be watching wrestling... Proboards needs a thumbs down button.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 22, 2014 18:30:55 GMT -5
...if you want to lose money. This is kind of like opening a restaurant and saying you'll bring whatever food tto people's tables that you want to. No this is more along the lines of people wanting 1/2 off food all the time, or your seasonal dishes all the time. Yes wwe has great ppv's where everything is really big (like wm/rr/summer slam) But they are the special ppvs. Battleground is kinda the everyday ppv. What happened once again is par for what wwe does. If you don't like it you probably don't like WWE product. If you hate seeing cena beat the Odds don't watch matches where the Odds are against Cena. If you hate seeing Bray Wayatt cheat and lose don't watch matches were Bray is a heel. If you hate seeing matches being canceled to advance story lines you probably shouldn't be watching wrestling... Demand drives commerce. They need to cater to whomever the paying majority is. If said majority, for the sake of argument, was disappointed with that show, said people are in no way wrong or in the position where they need to just accept anything. In those cases, WWE needs to and should improve, change or adapt to suit the biggest demand. And secondly, the "everyday PPV" excuse has no legs anymore. They are all economically equal. And as such, effort should be put into all of them, like anything else in which people pay for. There are no excuses. The model has changed. And WWE's future is dependent on THEM delivering, not fans accepting mediocrity. And the restaurant analogy is horrible. People have already paid for the dish, WWE failed to deliver it, so, as a restaurant, they are at fault. A consumer deserves the best you have to offer if they are paying, and they are absolutely entitled to everything advertised. And when or if they don't get it, they are correct in complaining. They drive the business. Not the other way around.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 18:30:57 GMT -5
Just a reminder: Using the term "smark" "indy darling" and "IWC" as arguing points makes the person saying it look retarded and cluelessly misinformed about the current structure and status of the business, who is the most over, and the fact that the hardcore market vis-à-vis the Network are the most prominent and consistently paying audience right now. Only about 1/10 of the WWE viewing audience pays for the product. So people thinking the aforementioned terms are some trump card need to realize this moronic shtick is your demo's version of the idiot who cries "fake" when it comes to wrestling, or YouTube guy who thinks everything would be better served if the Attitude Era was back. You're ALL dinosaurs with no concept as to what you speak. And equally embarrassing. Sometimes your posts remind me of Austin Aries kicking the shit out of someone at the end of a match. It's so coldblooded and vicious, yet for some reason highly entertaining and funny, in a strange way. I always come out like "damn. dude got f***ed up."
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Post by joeiscool on Jul 22, 2014 18:33:27 GMT -5
No this is more along the lines of people wanting 1/2 off food all the time, or your seasonal dishes all the time. Yes wwe has great ppv's where everything is really big (like wm/rr/summer slam) But they are the special ppvs. Battleground is kinda the everyday ppv. What happened once again is par for what wwe does. If you don't like it you probably don't like WWE product. If you hate seeing cena beat the Odds don't watch matches where the Odds are against Cena. If you hate seeing Bray Wayatt cheat and lose don't watch matches were Bray is a heel. If you hate seeing matches being canceled to advance story lines you probably shouldn't be watching wrestling... So, lemme get this right: By watching something, you're signing some sort of contract that forfeits your right to complain? No effing way, man. If that's the way you roll, that's your call, but if I'm gonna spend my time on something - or god forbid my MONEY - I have every single right to complain about not getting what I paid for. If the menu says bourbon sauce and you're out of bourbon sauce, I'm not gonna still stay there, give you my money and take whatever you're willing to give me - I'm gonna go somewhere where they're going to give me what is actually advertised and what I actually want! If you're not gonna give me what I want - especially if you're advertising it - I'm not gonna give you my money, simple as that. Complain all you want. Pay who ever you want. If being out of Bourbon Sauce is enough to make you not wanna eat someplace that is your choice... But when a place has kind of shown they are only interested in giving bourbon sauce when they want to being but hurt about the use seems kinda counter productive.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jul 22, 2014 18:35:59 GMT -5
So, lemme get this right: By watching something, you're signing some sort of contract that forfeits your right to complain? No effing way, man. If that's the way you roll, that's your call, but if I'm gonna spend my time on something - or god forbid my MONEY - I have every single right to complain about not getting what I paid for. If the menu says bourbon sauce and you're out of bourbon sauce, I'm not gonna still stay there, give you my money and take whatever you're willing to give me - I'm gonna go somewhere where they're going to give me what is actually advertised and what I actually want! If you're not gonna give me what I want - especially if you're advertising it - I'm not gonna give you my money, simple as that. Complain all you want. Pay who ever you want. If being out of Bourbon Sauce is enough to make you not wanna eat someplace that is your choice... But when a place has kind of shown they are only interested in giving bourbon sauce when they want to being but hurt about the use seems kinda counter productive. My point is, if you're not gonna have something, don't advertise it. Lemme put it in a better way: If you know that people want to dine at an all-you-can-eat and you're not gonna do an all-you-can-eat, don't advertise that you will be doing it. Spare people the disappointment and the waste of time is all I'm asking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 18:36:30 GMT -5
Just a reminder: Using the term "smark" "indy darling" and "IWC" as arguing points makes the person saying it look retarded and cluelessly misinformed about the current structure and status of the business, who is the most over, and the fact that the hardcore market vis-à-vis the Network are the most prominent and consistently paying audience right now. Only about 1/10 of the WWE viewing audience pays for the product. So people thinking the aforementioned terms are some trump card need to realize this moronic shtick is your demo's version of the idiot who cries "fake" when it comes to wrestling, or YouTube guy who thinks everything would be better served if the Attitude Era was back. You're ALL dinosaurs with no concept as to what you speak. And equally embarrassing. Sometimes your posts remind me of Austin Aries kicking the shit out of someone at the end of a match. It's so coldblooded and vicious, yet for some reason highly entertaining and funny, in a strange way. I always come out like "damn. dude got f***ed up." haha, yeah - I genuinely feel bad for anyone who un-ironically throws those terms around. I can't even bring myself to address their complaints as legit or take them seriously. At this point it is just genuine pity. And being blocked.
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Post by Andy Martin on Jul 22, 2014 18:38:00 GMT -5
Sometimes your posts remind me of Austin Aries kicking the shit out of someone at the end of a match. It's so coldblooded and vicious, yet for some reason highly entertaining and funny, in a strange way. I always come out like "damn. dude got f***ed up." haha, yeah - I genuinely feel bad for anyone who un-ironically throws those terms around. I can't even bring myself to address their complaints as legit or take them seriously. At this point it is just genuine pity. And being blocked. Speaking of which, where IS the block button on here?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 22, 2014 18:39:12 GMT -5
haha, yeah - I genuinely feel bad for anyone who un-ironically throws those terms around. I can't even bring myself to address their complaints as legit or take them seriously. At this point it is just genuine pity. And being blocked. Speaking of which, where IS the block button on here? Go to the person's profile, click the little gear and it should be there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 18:40:08 GMT -5
haha, yeah - I genuinely feel bad for anyone who un-ironically throws those terms around. I can't even bring myself to address their complaints as legit or take them seriously. At this point it is just genuine pity. And being blocked. Speaking of which, where IS the block button on here? Just click on that person's profile and then the setting button which looks like cog on the right hand side. There's a drop down menu.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 18:44:00 GMT -5
Sometimes your posts remind me of Austin Aries kicking the shit out of someone at the end of a match. It's so coldblooded and vicious, yet for some reason highly entertaining and funny, in a strange way. I always come out like "damn. dude got f***ed up." haha, yeah - I genuinely feel bad for anyone who un-ironically throws those terms around. I can't even bring myself to address their complaints as legit or take them seriously. At this point it is just genuine pity. And being blocked. Yeah same, at this point I don't have the fervor for shutting people down. I just sort of roll my eyes and let someone else do it. My generation, man... I'll use smark once in a while, but never as a pejorative term, just more a catch-all for fans who are "hip to the game" as the kids say.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 22, 2014 18:44:57 GMT -5
So, I'm not watching right now. What did he say? I'm paraphrasing but basically (in the most sarcastic tone you can imagine): "Maybe I'll go complain online! I'll go tweet about it! Or send a Vine! And maybe I'll watch with my best friend Mark!" That's just...lame honestly.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 22, 2014 18:45:16 GMT -5
So, lemme get this right: By watching something, you're signing some sort of contract that forfeits your right to complain? No effing way, man. If that's the way you roll, that's your call, but if I'm gonna spend my time on something - or god forbid my MONEY - I have every single right to complain about not getting what I paid for. If the menu says bourbon sauce and you're out of bourbon sauce, I'm not gonna still stay there, give you my money and take whatever you're willing to give me - I'm gonna go somewhere where they're going to give me what is actually advertised and what I actually want! If you're not gonna give me what I want - especially if you're advertising it - I'm not gonna give you my money, simple as that. Complain all you want. Pay who ever you want. If being out of Bourbon Sauce is enough to make you not wanna eat someplace that is your choice... But when a place has kind of shown they are only interested in giving bourbon sauce when they want to being but hurt about the use seems kinda counter productive. They're going to wish they had served bourbon sauce when they realize in two months how few people are actually attending and paying for their restaurant. That's the point. All things being equal and free, sure. But WWE is dependent, AGAIN, on pleasing fans because they themselves compromised and cannibalized their biggest line of perpetual income.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 18:49:05 GMT -5
I'm paraphrasing but basically (in the most sarcastic tone you can imagine): "Maybe I'll go complain online! I'll go tweet about it! Or send a Vine! And maybe I'll watch with my best friend Mark!" That's just...lame honestly. It was, I felt that was the point, sort of making Triple H seem desperate/useless as every plan has fallen through so much so he's insulting fans, a continuation of showing how his 'best for business' claims are disingenuous. Given he agreed to give the uncontrollable destroyer Lesnar a title shot to guarantee Cena falls at Summerslam I felt it was just making him look a tool -not the usual injoke smart gag Triple H style- to make you aware he's tired of failure in his choices. I'm approaching this entirely in kayfabe albeit, whether it was a public airing of genuine backstage opinions or not is covered much better by everyone else in here. I didn't feel it added anything positive or negative to the promo apart from making his promo seem less drab, needless though.
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Post by joeiscool on Jul 22, 2014 18:53:32 GMT -5
No this is more along the lines of people wanting 1/2 off food all the time, or your seasonal dishes all the time. Yes wwe has great ppv's where everything is really big (like wm/rr/summer slam) But they are the special ppvs. Battleground is kinda the everyday ppv. What happened once again is par for what wwe does. If you don't like it you probably don't like WWE product. If you hate seeing cena beat the Odds don't watch matches where the Odds are against Cena. If you hate seeing Bray Wayatt cheat and lose don't watch matches were Bray is a heel. If you hate seeing matches being canceled to advance story lines you probably shouldn't be watching wrestling... Demand drives commerce. They need to cater to whomever the paying majority is. If said majority, for the sake of argument, was disappointed with that show, said people are in no way wrong or in the position where they need to just accept anything. In those cases, WWE needs to and should improve, change or adapt to suit the biggest demand. And secondly, the "everyday PPV" excuse has no legs anymore. They are all economically equal. And as such, effort should be put into all of them, like anything else in which people pay for. There are no excuses. The model has changed. And WWE's future is dependent on THEM delivering, not fans accepting mediocrity. And the restaurant analogy is horrible. People have already paid for the dish, WWE failed to deliver it, so, as a restaurant, they are at fault. A consumer deserves the best you have to offer if they are paying, and they are absolutely entitled to everything advertised. And when or if they don't get it, they are correct in complaining. They drive the business. Not the other way around. I mean once again I'm not commenting as a person that has a dog in the ppv fight. I'm just saying the wanting more from this ppv is the same as complaining that Big macs don't taste like a steak dinner...
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 22, 2014 18:55:13 GMT -5
Demand drives commerce. They need to cater to whomever the paying majority is. If said majority, for the sake of argument, was disappointed with that show, said people are in no way wrong or in the position where they need to just accept anything. In those cases, WWE needs to and should improve, change or adapt to suit the biggest demand. And secondly, the "everyday PPV" excuse has no legs anymore. They are all economically equal. And as such, effort should be put into all of them, like anything else in which people pay for. There are no excuses. The model has changed. And WWE's future is dependent on THEM delivering, not fans accepting mediocrity. And the restaurant analogy is horrible. People have already paid for the dish, WWE failed to deliver it, so, as a restaurant, they are at fault. A consumer deserves the best you have to offer if they are paying, and they are absolutely entitled to everything advertised. And when or if they don't get it, they are correct in complaining. They drive the business. Not the other way around. I mean once again I'm not commenting as a person that has a dog in the ppv fight. I'm just saying the wanting more from this ppv is the same as complaining that Big macs don't taste like a steak dinner... The Big Mac is missing the paddy. And WWE is complaining that you wanted the burger you paid outright for.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jul 22, 2014 18:56:43 GMT -5
I just don't get the thought process of there was a match people wanted to see and it got pulled, yet the people who wanted WHAT THEY PAID FOR are the bad guys here. It's like taking candy from a child then telling the kid to piss off.
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Post by joeiscool on Jul 22, 2014 18:57:44 GMT -5
Complain all you want. Pay who ever you want. If being out of Bourbon Sauce is enough to make you not wanna eat someplace that is your choice... But when a place has kind of shown they are only interested in giving bourbon sauce when they want to being but hurt about the use seems kinda counter productive. They're going to wish they had served bourbon sauce when they realize in two months how few people are actually attending and paying for their restaurant. That's the point. All things being equal and free, sure. But WWE is dependent, AGAIN, on pleasing fans because they themselves compromised and cannibalized their biggest line of perpetual income. Or you know everyone forgets about battleground, when Summer Slam is really good.
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Post by joeiscool on Jul 22, 2014 19:03:24 GMT -5
I mean once again I'm not commenting as a person that has a dog in the ppv fight. I'm just saying the wanting more from this ppv is the same as complaining that Big macs don't taste like a steak dinner... The Big Mac is missing the paddy. And WWE is complaining that you wanted the burger you paid outright for. lol. You got 8 matches. plus a non contest brawl between two people who were advertised. If anything you are missing a pickle... That's if you believe that what happened wasn't a normal thing that happens in professional wrestling, from time to time...
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 22, 2014 19:10:07 GMT -5
The Big Mac is missing the paddy. And WWE is complaining that you wanted the burger you paid outright for. lol. You got 8 matches. plus a non contest brawl between two people who were advertised. If anything you are missing a pickle... That's if you believe that what happened wasn't a normal thing that happens in professional wrestling, from time to time... It killed the crowd. They wanted the match, for whatever reason more so than anything else, and didn't get it. At that point, logistics become secondary to the fact that you have upset customers. In business you don't look at that and say "oh, well, this is just how we do things," you make sure you do not repeat that mistake again. You learn a lesson and adapt. You do not get butt-hurt that people did not approve of your presentation. You fix it.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jul 22, 2014 19:11:19 GMT -5
They're going to wish they had served bourbon sauce when they realize in two months how few people are actually attending and paying for their restaurant. That's the point. All things being equal and free, sure. But WWE is dependent, AGAIN, on pleasing fans because they themselves compromised and cannibalized their biggest line of perpetual income. Or you know everyone forgets about battleground, when Summer Slam is really good. Yeah, remember that time no one remembered CM Punk dropping off the face of the planet because WrestleMania was "really good?" They don't chant for him anymore or anything.
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