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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 26, 2014 16:55:45 GMT -5
He should had. People were itching to cheer for Cesaro and people assumed it was going to finally happen. But he joined up with Heyman who preached his virtues but didn't get him to the next level. He became a guy who spot could been filled by anyone else on the roster. Yep, he joined Ryback & Axel as failed Heyman guys. Along with Matt Morgan, Heidenreich, Nathan Jones, and A-Train.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 26, 2014 17:02:52 GMT -5
Honestly? As much as I love Cesaro and think he should be the center of big feuds and get lots of TV time? It's not good if people only care about him because of one stupid move. Building his entire character around that one stupid move, like with the King of Swing nickname, is not an idea destined to work for long.
Cesaro has supporters in the back. He'll keep getting chances like he has for years. It's good that they're not trying to make him a huge star exclusively because he spins people around.
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Post by mattyy on Jul 26, 2014 17:09:08 GMT -5
"We are going to get you out of the Real Americans, and we're going to call you the King of Swing!" "Wow Sounds Gre--" "But we're going to have to have you stop swinging people. Too over."
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Post by ayumidah on Jul 26, 2014 17:19:24 GMT -5
Vintage WWE.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 26, 2014 17:33:31 GMT -5
WWF: Koko...we want you to be a heel
Koko: But I'm over
WWF: Yes but as a face. Sorry.
Koko: Can I keep Frankie?
WWF: Afraid not. Frankie must die.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 17:35:45 GMT -5
I wonder if the climate is such that Cesaro could have a debate with said officials, not an argument but just state his case that what he's doing is working great and ask when/if he'd be turning babyface? Or, since he's not a top guy, is he supposed to just say "ok" and do his job, no questions asked?
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Post by Injustice45 on Jul 26, 2014 17:38:12 GMT -5
WWE: Teddy Long! We want you to keep making tag team matches...only on one condition. Teddy: And what would that be? WWE: Make one-on-one matches with Randy Orton instead of the Undertaker. Teddy: Hold on just a second, playas! I have an idea! WWE: And it is...? Teddy: You'll all have a tag team match against Randy Orton and...The Undertaker! WWE: Dammit Teddy! YOOOOOUUUUUU'RRRRRRRREEEEEE......FIIIIIIIRRRRRREEEEEDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 26, 2014 21:06:35 GMT -5
He's a heel. When he turns babyface, he brings it back. He's a forced heel. People want to cheer him. In instances like this, WWE should move with fan opinions rather than their own preferred booking. So, when he ends up turning baby face after people wanted him to be one so bad, and he busts out that swing, his reaction would be amazing. From what I read before, it seems that they're going slow with Cesaro. Now granted, the whole "wait and see" thing with WWE has been a bit shoddy in the past, but I feel that they really like Cesaro as a talent, and they may go with him as a baby face further on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 21:11:18 GMT -5
He's a forced heel. People want to cheer him. In instances like this, WWE should move with fan opinions rather than their own preferred booking. So, when he ends up turning baby face after people wanted him to be one so bad, and he busts out that swing, his reaction would be amazing. From what I read before, it seems that they're going slow with Cesaro. Now granted, the whole "wait and see" thing with WWE has been a bit shoddy in the past, but I feel that they really like Cesaro as a talent, and they may go with him as a baby face further on. All the same, it seems incredibly stupid to build the guy up as a borderline-unstoppable juggernaut for months and deliberately play to his growing crowd reactions, give him a big Mania win in a dramatic face manner, then proceed to make him more of a heel, strip out everything that got him over, and job him out. Trying to go back to the well at this point's probably not going to be nearly as big as it could have been.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 26, 2014 21:47:48 GMT -5
He's a forced heel. People want to cheer him. In instances like this, WWE should move with fan opinions rather than their own preferred booking. So, when he ends up turning baby face after people wanted him to be one so bad, and he busts out that swing, his reaction would be amazing. From what I read before, it seems that they're going slow with Cesaro. Now granted, the whole "wait and see" thing with WWE has been a bit shoddy in the past, but I feel that they really like Cesaro as a talent, and they may go with him as a baby face further on. Again, it comes down to striking when the iron is hot. If it takes one particular move to make the initial breakthrough with the crowd, then that's the opportunity to push on. You don't cool the guy down and hope that in the future you can make him popular again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 21:51:50 GMT -5
Stupid Sexy Roman Reigns...
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Jul 26, 2014 22:43:31 GMT -5
I'm a fan of Roman Reigns, but they're pushing him way too early, plus its not an organic natural push like it was with Austin/Rock/Undertaker and to a lesser extent more recently Daniel Bryan, its more the Hogan/Cena manufactured shoving down peoples throats type of push with Reigns. Cesaro around Mania time was very hot with the crowd and could have been as hot as Bryan but nope.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jul 26, 2014 23:19:09 GMT -5
Yeah, we can't have a wrestler getting over now can we.
The WWE is baffling at times. Cesaro was over because of the swing, why keep him heel? Turn him face.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 27, 2014 1:42:22 GMT -5
Yeah, we can't have a wrestler getting over now can we. The WWE is baffling at times. Cesaro was over because of the swing, why keep him heel? Turn him face. I think the problem is that pretty much any wrestler who is "good" gets cheered nowadays, and of they turned everyone face, they'd have no heels. It's like you have to legitimately suck as a performer (or for people to think that) to get heel heat nowadays.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Jul 27, 2014 2:28:55 GMT -5
This better not be true or my entire perspective on the WWE will be changed. Just mindlessly stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 2:54:32 GMT -5
Yeah, we can't have a wrestler getting over now can we. The WWE is baffling at times. Cesaro was over because of the swing, why keep him heel? Turn him face. I think the problem is that pretty much any wrestler who is "good" gets cheered nowadays, and of they turned everyone face, they'd have no heels. It's like you have to legitimately suck as a performer (or for people to think that) to get heel heat nowadays. True, and certain heels who do get cheered like the Wyatts shouldn't be turned, or at least not right now. But Cesaro's doing absolutely nothing as a heel and the entire appeal of him is that he's freakishly strong and uppercuts the shit out of people then swings them. Everything about him is just suited to a natural face and there's no reason he should be a heel. Even they need someone in his slot, just find someone else for it who the crowd isn't demanding to see being used in a different way.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jul 27, 2014 2:55:30 GMT -5
I think the problem is that pretty much any wrestler who is "good" gets cheered nowadays, and of they turned everyone face, they'd have no heels. It's like you have to legitimately suck as a performer (or for people to think that) to get heel heat nowadays. That's a fair point. But heels who aren't good wrestlers are also over such as Wyatt and Bo Dallas and heck, even Fandango who is imo an average wrestler. WWE should focus on making their babyfaces likeable and interesting because honestly, 9 times out of 10, WWE babyfaces suck. They're either bad joke telling wannabe comedians, the dull Superman, fat guy who dances, a mixture of the bunch or they have no personality at all. There are some exceptions; the Dust Brothers, Swagger, Bryan, Ambrose etc. But for the most part, WWE faces are dull which is why the entertaining heels often get cheered. Unfortunately, WWE's solution to that is to make the heels "generic" and "boring" to stop them getting cheered when really, what they should do is either make the heel so utterly despicable you want to see him get beat up or make the heels likeable and interesting. In every form of entertainment, the heel has been cool and interesting. Darth Vader, The Mayor from Buffy, The Governor from the Walking Dead, Magneto from the Marvel universe etc, yet they've either been despicable pieces of crap that you want to see get their comeuppance or the face has been a likeable, interesting guy so you root for him.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 27, 2014 2:56:30 GMT -5
I've hated how a lot of things have tuned out since WrestleMania 30.
But I haven't hated ANYTHING more than Cesaro, a guy who should be in the Main Event, now getting jobbed out to Kofi and Big E
F***ing Kane is in the Main Event in 2014, and Cesaro isn't. What the hell is wrong with Backstage? Did Vince find a Cloning Machine and just make 50 Kevin Dunn's??
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Post by g1megatronfan on Jul 27, 2014 19:33:44 GMT -5
Remember when Cesaro was rumored to be this huge potential babyface?...lol. I guess those plans were shot in the ass for some unknown reason. Maybe it's a good thing that they took it away. The move was probably more popular than the guy doing it.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 27, 2014 20:24:45 GMT -5
And while I agree with everyone that it was dumb to do, I think we should also bare in mind that WWE probably did not plan on Daniel Bryan getting injured while Batista was gone, forcing them to put the belt back on Cena, leaving the upper midcard longing for another top face. Cesaro could have filled said slot easily if they had had a crystal ball that would show them future events.
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