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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jul 28, 2014 1:18:59 GMT -5
At the end of the day, it's not even a realistic division of the male population.
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Post by Long A, Short A on Jul 28, 2014 1:59:04 GMT -5
Bad boys are sold as bold, bash rebels, and that advertising can drown out the bad side of bad boys. Plus bad boys are often portrayed as guys that are more than just a leather jacket and a rap sheet. I think that advertising isn't gender specific either. Most of these sociopathic nice guys love bad boys and bad boy characters when they aren't scamming on "their" women.
Would you (pejoratively) pick a entitled wolf is sheep's clothing over a rebel with a heart of gold?
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jul 28, 2014 2:08:01 GMT -5
Bad boys are sold as bold, bash rebels, and that advertising can drown out the bad side of bad boys. Plus bad boys are often portrayed as guys that are more than just a leather jacket and a rap sheet. I think that advertising isn't gender specific either. Most of these sociopathic nice guys love bad boys and bad boy characters when they aren't scamming on "their" women. Would you (pejoratively) pick a entitled wolf is sheep's clothing over a rebel with a heart of gold? You sold that like you were pitching a Disney movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 3:11:09 GMT -5
All I know about the "nice guy" phenomenon is that I naturally don't trust anyone who calls himself/herself nice. Being nice is like being badass or a hero...folks who are don't need to say that they are.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jul 28, 2014 7:18:22 GMT -5
We also think that you’re tired of the same old simplistic theory of ‘Nice Guys vs. Bad Bad Boys..."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 8:50:57 GMT -5
I'd wager that guys are the only ones who even think about the nice guy/bad boy dynamic when thinking about who someone will date.
This is me generalizing based on living with, dating and being friends women of different ethic and social classes but still - very much generalizing: Women are like a web browser with a thousand tabs open and running all at once. The idea that they'd spend more than a moment's glance on the mental tab of "nice guy or bad boy?" is pretty remote to me when there are 999 other tabs they need to keep checking.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jul 28, 2014 10:36:50 GMT -5
I've known so many beautiful, intelligent and funny women that just date the sorriest pieces of shit that I totally get the point of this thread. No, women are not all the same...but it must mean SOMETHING to say that just out of my coworkers, I know 3 women who work while the father of their children sit at home and get to sleep in every day. These same guys are also in and out of trouble with the law and are VERY jealous of their women.
Honestly, I think it mostly boils down to appearances. How many of us men have suffered through crappy relationships because we thought the girl was hot? Women do the same thing sometimes. Being nice has less to do with it than your overall appearance, style and how fun you are to be around IMO.
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Post by revolver86 on Jul 28, 2014 11:07:50 GMT -5
Funny, I spent years being the "nice guy", because I lacked confidence and didn't know the first thing about flirting with women. I didn't lose my virginity until I was 23 (total pity f***, btw). I'm 27, now, and have only been dating women for the past two years, and I've realized that I'm just as bad as any girl that pines for the "bad boy". I've lost count of how many nice girls I only realized, in retrospect, dug me while I was pineing over goth girls with issues and what not. Hell, I just hooked back up with a total sweetheart, I saw in the past, and feel like total dogshit because I'm not attracted to her and am trying to get with some chick that has been stringing me along for two months. Point being, this is far from a man vs. woman thing and more of just a flaw in human thinking. Louis CK said it best, we always try to f*** up and across, never down.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 28, 2014 11:35:53 GMT -5
Rule of thumb: If you need to keep telling people over and over that you're a "nice guy", you really aren't
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 11:45:16 GMT -5
Nice guys/bad boys, what does it matter?
I think the moment you learn to stop putting stock in how nice/how cool you are is the moment you stop demanding attention from those you find attractive and realize you're owed nothing, but you should have confidence in yourself and your aims in life. It also tends to stop people being creeps when asking for dates.
Honestly, confidence and not being a letch are the way forward for everyone, and not being too rattled if you get turned down by someone. I'm hardly a good looking guy thanks to a ton of broken bones in my face, but getting past being rattled by being turned down and just not taking things too personally helped me a ton, no big downfall in casual sex or long term relationships etc. Helps that when break ups occur that I can still be friends with most people too.
Relationships and understanding are both the simplest and most difficult aspects of life, emotion and aspiration and wants make them confusing, but once you manage to work through issues and realize that respect is the key to friendships and a love life, then bam, nail on the head. Also, if you feel demanding of people, make sure you apply those demands to yourself too, I despise when people talk about how x person should act/look/sound like and put no effort into themselves at the same time.
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Post by MGH on Jul 28, 2014 11:51:08 GMT -5
There are legitimately nice human beings and full on jerks in the world. For some reason though, especially online, you get a lot of this:
Self proclaimed "nice guys" are often spineless people with zero self confidence who think being "nice" means letting others walk all over you like a doormat. That isn't attractive to anyone. Not someone of the opposite sex, and not anyone who would want to know you'd have their back.
Same token, a lot of guys with full self confidence who aren't afraid to stand up for themselves are looked at as cocky and abrasive and thus, bad.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jul 28, 2014 12:15:42 GMT -5
Idk Martin Lawrence and Will Smith are pretty badass!
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 28, 2014 13:30:16 GMT -5
Some people are attracted to you for who are.
Some people are attracted to people who aren't like you, for who they are.
Some people are attracted to you because of what they think they could turn you into.
Only the first one is worth pursuing sexually. The second one you can probably be friends with if you're not a total asshole. The third one is most likely delusional so if they are already your friend, you probably ought to have a word with them to try and get them out of that line of thinking.
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Post by Glitch on Jul 28, 2014 14:19:47 GMT -5
I'd wager that guys are the only ones who even think about the nice guy/bad boy dynamic when thinking about who someone will date. This is me generalizing based on living with, dating and being friends women of different ethic and social classes but still - very much generalizing: Women are like a web browser with a thousand tabs open and running all at once. The idea that they'd spend more than a moment's glance on the mental tab of "nice guy or bad boy?" is pretty remote to me when there are 999 other tabs they need to keep checking. In this thread, there is no such thing as individuality!
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jul 28, 2014 15:48:35 GMT -5
So, girls don't like nice guys, they like douchebags. But all these nice guys are really douchebags in disguise anyway so shouldn't girls like the fake nice guys anyway? And don't ever say you're a nice guy, because that means you aren't, and you are really a douchebag, but girls like the real douchebags and not the fake ones. So don't ever say that you're a douchebag, because that means you aren't and are really a nice guy in disguise, but don't ever say that you are. Girls don't like fake nice guys, girls like real douchebags, but girls don't like fake douchebags, they like real nice guys. But there are no real nice guys, only fake nice guys that are real douchebags and fake douchebags that are really nice guys that are real douchebags.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 28, 2014 15:57:11 GMT -5
So, girls don't like nice guys, they like douchebags. But all these nice guys are really douchebags in disguise anyway so shouldn't girls like the fake nice guys anyway? And don't ever say you're a nice guy, because that means you aren't, and you are really a douchebag, but girls like the real douchebags and not the fake ones. So don't ever say that you're a douchebag, because that means you aren't and are really a nice guy in disguise, but don't ever say that you are. Girls don't like fake nice guys, girls like real douchebags, but girls don't like fake douchebags, they like real nice guys. But there are no real nice guys, only fake nice guys that are real douchebags and fake douchebags that are really nice guys that are real douchebags. The vast majority of women don't like douchebags. That about sums it up.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 28, 2014 16:01:07 GMT -5
In this thread, the most convincing argument for masturbation.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jul 28, 2014 16:04:42 GMT -5
So, girls don't like nice guys, they like douchebags. But all these nice guys are really douchebags in disguise anyway so shouldn't girls like the fake nice guys anyway? And don't ever say you're a nice guy, because that means you aren't, and you are really a douchebag, but girls like the real douchebags and not the fake ones. So don't ever say that you're a douchebag, because that means you aren't and are really a nice guy in disguise, but don't ever say that you are. Girls don't like fake nice guys, girls like real douchebags, but girls don't like fake douchebags, they like real nice guys. But there are no real nice guys, only fake nice guys that are real douchebags and fake douchebags that are really nice guys that are real douchebags. The vast majority of women don't like douchebags. That about sums it up. But they don't like nice guys either. So they like fake douchebags?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 16:06:11 GMT -5
....as it always goes in topics like these, a saying immediately comes to my mind:
"The whipped dog always hollers."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 17:36:45 GMT -5
So, girls don't like nice guys, they like douchebags. But all these nice guys are really douchebags in disguise anyway so shouldn't girls like the fake nice guys anyway? And don't ever say you're a nice guy, because that means you aren't, and you are really a douchebag, but girls like the real douchebags and not the fake ones. So don't ever say that you're a douchebag, because that means you aren't and are really a nice guy in disguise, but don't ever say that you are. Girls don't like fake nice guys, girls like real douchebags, but girls don't like fake douchebags, they like real nice guys. But there are no real nice guys, only fake nice guys that are real douchebags and fake douchebags that are really nice guys that are real douchebags. Twist an entire thread's worth of viewpoints into one big, winding, monolithic statement using appeal to ridicule in order to look like the beleaguered voice of reason, folks. Pretend that people don't act nice in a manipulative way in real life, folks. Blatantly ignore multiple posters when they say "There's a difference between a genuinely kind person and someone who plays nice for personal gain", while you act like genuinely kind people are a target, folks.
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