Phil Parent
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Post by Phil Parent on Jul 29, 2014 17:57:36 GMT -5
Yeah this is bullshit. The idea that wrestlers bitch because another wrestler stalls a lot on the house show circuit is preposterous.
Yeah, we're in Buttf***, Nowhere tonight, we need to go balls out for these 1000 people and their 200 pigs.
Come on.
When you go to an house show, you expect to NOT see the whole roster and specifically to NOT see them going all out. The main attraction of doing house shows nowadays is get young guys some experience, and practice spots and finishes. NOT to draw new fans.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 29, 2014 18:01:41 GMT -5
Reigns is suffering from what I like to call the 'Diesel effect'. He's great at explosive sequences, but the drizzling shits at selling for prolonged stretches. Reigns is a guy who stylistically needs to always being on offense, with only short bursts of selling here and there. He needs to be booked more like Warrior or Goldberg, and less like a babyface in peril. Dude's mega over, but crowds go cold when he has to sell; and Orton, stylistically, is the absolute worst opponent for him. He's very methodical and Jake Roberts-like in execution. Reigns needs a pinball, not a guy who works body parts or chin-locks.
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Post by bootytea on Jul 29, 2014 18:02:29 GMT -5
Holding down talent, one rest hold at a time.
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Tony Schiavontay
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Jul 29, 2014 18:03:22 GMT -5
Damn, even the newz stories about Orton are boring. No kidding. "Our sources indicate that Randy Orton may or may not have had a boring match this past weekend." Where did you get that hot scoop from? I could have told you that without even being at the shows.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 29, 2014 18:03:34 GMT -5
Reigns is suffering from what I like to call the 'Diesel effect'. He's great at explosive sequences, but the drizzling shits at selling for prolonged stretches. Reigns is a guy who stylistically needs to always being on offense, with only short bursts of selling here and there. He needs to be booked more like Warrior or Goldberg, and less like a babyface in peril. Dude's mega over, but crowds go cold when he has to sell; and Orton, stylistically, is the absolute worst opponent for him. He's very methodical and Jake Roberts-like in execution. Reigns needs a pinball, not a guy who works body parts or chin-locks. There's no one high up on the card who can play that role really well except Cena, and well, you know...
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Jul 29, 2014 18:08:40 GMT -5
Reigns is suffering from what I like to call the 'Diesel effect'. He's great at explosive sequences, but the drizzling shits at selling for prolonged stretches. Reigns is a guy who stylistically needs to always being on offense, with only short bursts of selling here and there. He needs to be booked more like Warrior or Goldberg, and less like a babyface in peril. Dude's mega over, but crowds go cold when he has to sell; and Orton, stylistically, is the absolute worst opponent for him. He's very methodical and Jake Roberts-like in execution. Reigns needs a pinball, not a guy who works body parts or chin-locks. I like Reigns, and I do think he can be the guy, but you're right. Like Diesel, he also has a very limited arsenal of moves. Spear-Jackknife Superman Punch-Big Boot Samoan Drop-Sidewalk Slam Apron Dropkick-Leg Choke Count the long hair and the outfit, and he's really the spitting image of Diesel. They either need to work around Reigns style, or Reigns has to improve a lot, because I'll even admit that current Reigns vs. Lesnar would be a very lackluster match.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 29, 2014 18:08:54 GMT -5
Reigns is suffering from what I like to call the 'Diesel effect'. He's great at explosive sequences, but the drizzling shits at selling for prolonged stretches. Reigns is a guy who stylistically needs to always being on offense, with only short bursts of selling here and there. He needs to be booked more like Warrior or Goldberg, and less like a babyface in peril. Dude's mega over, but crowds go cold when he has to sell; and Orton, stylistically, is the absolute worst opponent for him. He's very methodical and Jake Roberts-like in execution. Reigns needs a pinball, not a guy who works body parts or chin-locks. There's no one high up on the card who can play that role really well except Cena, and well, you know... Then Randy needs to bump off of clotheslines and tackles and then stall. He needs to work a Reigns match, not an Orton one. He needs to go watch some old Rick Rude tapes. His matches with Warrior were a lesson on how these matches should be booked. I think, hyperbole aside, that was what was meant in the alleged criticisms. Orton's wrestling *his* match. He, as the heel trying to elevate and put the shine on Roman, should be working Roman's.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Jul 29, 2014 18:40:56 GMT -5
I don't know where this assumption Randy is burying him on purpose coming, if you're going to hide Reigns' limitations couldn't you at least come up with something better than the rest holds? It bores the crowd tremendously which is why I assume he has heat.
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Post by percymania on Jul 29, 2014 19:01:23 GMT -5
this is some juicy newz right here.
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Jul 29, 2014 19:23:58 GMT -5
Ambrose and Cesaro. Two wrestlers who have gotten over organically and who the crowd are BEGGING to support in a main event program. You guys already have two of them on the verge of stardom, yet you refuse to do anything about it. Instead, you insist on square-peg-round-holing Reigns like you did with Sheamus. well, that's awfully specific of them People here are constantly comparing Ambrose to Brian Pillman. Pillman never carried a company. C
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jul 29, 2014 19:25:40 GMT -5
It's taken this long for the locker room to notice that Orton uses restholds? Hell, I was pretty sure he still had Hogan in the chink lock he clamped on at SummerSlam 2006.
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Jul 29, 2014 19:28:41 GMT -5
Reigns is suffering from what I like to call the 'Diesel effect'. He's great at explosive sequences, but the drizzling shits at selling for prolonged stretches. Reigns is a guy who stylistically needs to always being on offense, with only short bursts of selling here and there. He needs to be booked more like Warrior or Goldberg, and less like a babyface in peril. Dude's mega over, but crowds go cold when he has to sell; and Orton, stylistically, is the absolute worst opponent for him. He's very methodical and Jake Roberts-like in execution. Reigns needs a pinball, not a guy who works body parts or chin-locks. I like Reigns, and I do think he can be the guy, but you're right. Like Diesel, he also has a very limited arsenal of moves. Spear-Jackknife Superman Punch-Big Boot Samoan Drop-Sidewalk Slam Apron Dropkick-Leg Choke Count the long hair and the outfit, and he's really the spitting image of Diesel. They either need to work around Reigns style, or Reigns has to improve a lot, because I'll even admit that current Reigns vs. Lesnar would be a very lackluster match. Reigns also has a back suplex into a spike slam, a power bomb of his own and all the basics
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jul 29, 2014 19:37:04 GMT -5
This is complete nonsense. Rest holds are a heat magnet. My friend once counted seconds at RAW when Randy had a headlock in (like when you count a vertical suplex or spins or whatever), he got into the mid 20s at least. Orton laughed. The heels aren't supposed to have exciting movesets.
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Post by Juice on Jul 29, 2014 19:44:43 GMT -5
You guys really believe this nonsense? Come on. I know you're smarter than this.
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Post by Digital Witness on Jul 29, 2014 19:55:44 GMT -5
What's next? Ambrose gets nuclear heats for too many breast holds?
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jul 29, 2014 19:56:59 GMT -5
This is complete nonsense. Rest holds are a heat magnet. My friend once counted seconds at RAW when Randy had a headlock in (like when you count a vertical suplex or spins or whatever), he got into the mid 20s at least. Orton laughed. The heels aren't supposed to have exciting movesets. While true, does that really lead to an exciting match? I think they want Orton/Reigns to be one of those "This is awesome" 20 minute barn burners like Cesaro/Cena was on Monday, but the problem with that is Roman is nowhere near as good a wrestler as either Cesaro or Cena, his matches consist of him being Ricky Morton instead of Goldberg and Ulitmate Warrior like they should be, and Orton only has "this is awesome" type matches with a select pair of guys (none of which are big guys).
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Post by Digital Witness on Jul 29, 2014 20:00:10 GMT -5
This is complete nonsense. Rest holds are a heat magnet. My friend once counted seconds at RAW when Randy had a headlock in (like when you count a vertical suplex or spins or whatever), he got into the mid 20s at least. Orton laughed. The heels aren't supposed to have exciting movesets. While true, does that really lead to an exciting match? I think they want Orton/Reigns to be one of those "This is awesome" 20 minute barn burners like Cesaro/Cena was on Monday, but the problem with that is Roman is nowhere near as good a wrestler as either Cesaro or Cena, his matches consist of him being Ricky Morton instead of Goldberg and Ulitmate Warrior like they should be, and Orton only has "this is awesome" type matches with a select pair of guys (none of which are big guys). The only time I've ever seen a rest hold used for the sake of effective heeling is pre-WWE heel Daniel Bryan getting boring chants and then shouting "THE ABDOMINAL STRETCH!" before locking it in for a minute or two.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 29, 2014 20:03:49 GMT -5
Yeah this is bullshit. The idea that wrestlers bitch because another wrestler stalls a lot on the house show circuit is preposterous. Yeah, we're in Buttf***, Arkansas tonight, we need to go balls out for these 1000 people and their 200 pigs. Come on. Ya know what? Don't do this. There's no reason for that, and it was completely irrelevant to the point you were making.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Jul 29, 2014 20:12:50 GMT -5
Yeah this is bullshit. The idea that wrestlers bitch because another wrestler stalls a lot on the house show circuit is preposterous. Yeah, we're in Buttf***, Arkansas tonight, we need to go balls out for these 1000 people and their 200 pigs. Come on. When you go to an house show, you expect to NOT see the whole roster and specifically to NOT see them going all out. The main attraction of doing house shows nowadays is get young guys some experience, and practice spots and finishes. NOT to draw new fans. Hope there is nobody from Arkansas on this board...
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Post by Adam Black on Jul 29, 2014 20:16:49 GMT -5
*troll mode* The dreams of the IWC of Roman failing has come to reality! trolololololol Anyways I like Randy Orton it's not hard to see why since last year he was in a storyline where he was "holding back" a superstar it was a kayfabe storyline bit with doses of reality and it's easier to channel anger on him than to say Vince also not to mention his reputation of being a dick in the past.
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