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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 23:41:14 GMT -5
Whatever, Randy Orton's one of the best wrestlers in the business. Roman's the one that is still trying to get it together. This is stupid. One of the best 'sports entertainment' ones I'd agree with, in general? I wouldn't put him in my top 20. I understand the distinction but I choose not to make it. However one can be most effective, be it flopping around like a mad man or being Mr. Methodical. Orton is great at being Orton. Cesaro is great at being Cesaro, etc. That sounds silly, but some guys suck at what they're trying to do. It's all styles and how well they're pulled off. I didn't mean by my post that Orton is infalliable wrestling Jesus, but it sounds strange, and if true, stupid, that WWE would get pissed at Randy Orton for doing what he does. At the same time, Vince McMahon is a hell of a drug.
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Post by berlynwright on Jul 30, 2014 0:05:24 GMT -5
Del Rio had a decent match with Reigns at last Smackdown
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Post by pepsitwist on Jul 30, 2014 6:05:46 GMT -5
Reigns is suffering from what I like to call the 'Diesel effect'. He's great at explosive sequences, but the drizzling shits at selling for prolonged stretches. Reigns is a guy who stylistically needs to always being on offense, with only short bursts of selling here and there. He needs to be booked more like Warrior or Goldberg, and less like a babyface in peril. Dude's mega over, but crowds go cold when he has to sell; and Orton, stylistically, is the absolute worst opponent for him. He's very methodical and Jake Roberts-like in execution. Reigns needs a pinball, not a guy who works body parts or chin-locks. Don't turn him into Ryback 2.0 by making him take losses or look too vulnerable. All people really want to see is his Superman punch spot and looking effortlessly badass. He's the perfect wrestler for YouTube clips. Prolonged matches will expose him more at this time (as a singles competitor).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 9:51:14 GMT -5
Reigns is undoubtedly limited as a singles competitor, but really no more so than Batista during his push in 2004/2005. The difference is that Batista got to work with veterans like Michaels, Flair, Jericho, Benoit and Triple H to help improve his work, and as good as Randy is, he's nowhere near as good as any of them. WWE has very few veteran guys left that can help Reigns become a better wrestler, and both he and the company are worse off for it.
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Post by ayumidah on Jul 30, 2014 12:49:46 GMT -5
I saw this headline yesterday or Monday, eyerolled at it then and eyerolled at it now. If he really had heat in the back, why would they let him so thoroughly demolish Roman on Monday? *shrug*
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Post by hisinsanity on Jul 30, 2014 12:53:40 GMT -5
There's no such thing as "heat" for Randy bOReTON. How many wellness violations has he escaped from, unharmed? His attitude is piss poor, yet he keeps his guaranteed main event spot, no matter what he does.
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Post by machomuta on Jul 30, 2014 15:04:06 GMT -5
So the match was crappy and yet they blamed it all on Orton?
It is not Orton´s fault, that Roman cant wrestle.
You cant make chicken salad out of chickenshit.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jul 30, 2014 15:11:16 GMT -5
So the match was crappy and yet they blamed it all on Orton? It is not Orton´s fault, that Roman cant wrestle. You cant make chicken salad out of chickenshit. Its Orton's fault that he's boring as f*** and keeps having boring matches. Yes it can be his fault because he's an overrated wrestler.
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Post by machomuta on Jul 30, 2014 18:14:25 GMT -5
So the match was crappy and yet they blamed it all on Orton? It is not Orton´s fault, that Roman cant wrestle. You cant make chicken salad out of chickenshit. Its Orton's fault that he's boring as f*** and keeps having boring matches. Yes it can be his fault because he's an overrated wrestler. He might be boring if, you are only a sports entertainment fan who likes promos and silly gimmicks. Orton is not even close to being overrated. He knows wrestling psychology, unlike most of the spot monkeys in the indies.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jul 30, 2014 19:14:51 GMT -5
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Post by FinalGwen on Jul 30, 2014 19:37:18 GMT -5
Its Orton's fault that he's boring as f*** and keeps having boring matches. Yes it can be his fault because he's an overrated wrestler. He might be boring if, you are only a sports entertainment fan who likes promos and silly gimmicks. Orton is not even close to being overrated. He knows wrestling psychology, unlike most of the spot monkeys in the indies. Opinions will differ, and there are obviously people who enjoy him, but personally speaking I really can't see much 'psychology' in Randy's matches. Bunch of chinlocks, bunch of headlocks, just padding for the match, essentially. We don't get much sign of personality when he's a heel, at least the star jumps when he was face were something a bit different. He'll find some way to work in his rope DDT, no matter how contrived the setup seems. There'll probably be the Garvin stomp because having a single move in his repertoire that goes for the arms/legs despite not being led up to or followed up on in any way seems worth a shot because... Reasons? And then he'll just hit the RKO which seems as effective whether it's done 1 minute into a match with no setup or 40 minutes into a match with a bunch of neck targeted attacks. Although that last one is more of a symptom of WWE than Orton in particular, I guess. Whereas even when Drew (since he's been mentioned on this page) was at his most limited in-ring wise in his early Chosen One days, he'd still try and do something new every match. You'd get him working with the ring, trapping a guy's arm in the metalwork to make it harder to escape the Future Shock. Stuff like that. He'd try and get across a vicious style without constant restholds. Even if it was a bit kick-punch, it seemed like he was trying to be aggressive and vicious throughout, rather than having a break and a sit down.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 30, 2014 20:43:55 GMT -5
Its Orton's fault that he's boring as f*** and keeps having boring matches. Yes it can be his fault because he's an overrated wrestler. He might be boring if, you are only a sports entertainment fan who likes promos and silly gimmicks. Orton is not even close to being overrated. He knows wrestling psychology, unlike most of the spot monkeys in the indies. Not arguing Orton's credentials, but are you really playing the "only if you're a fan of..." and "spot monkeys in the indies" cards? Really?
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