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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 14:57:23 GMT -5
Another night of tear gas, militant police intimidation and attempted media blackouts. I don't know if the National Guard is there or not at this point, all I see are local PD from the images coming out of Ferguson on twitter. Cops were seen ripping a press badge off a reporter saying "This badge don't mean shit." And basically driving the media out of the designated free speech/press zone and sending them back to the pre-staging area. Jesus - whoever is directing traffic for the PD is asleep at the wheel because this is just such a mismanaged situation - to say the very least. The National Guard was told to stay away by Ferguson PD. The PD also threatened to kill members of Amnesty International. Not joking.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 19, 2014 14:58:43 GMT -5
One quick note on the Molotovs. The police keep saying they have been thrown, but nobody has seen a single one. Not the people on the street, the journalists, or on any of the livestreams. Also, if people were really tossing cocktails, a whole lot of stuff would be on fire. That hasn't been the case Man, that new Call of Duty screenshot looks good! Makes it come alive for some reason.......
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Post by Orange on Aug 19, 2014 15:14:43 GMT -5
I'll say this - I get that the police need to protect themselves because criminals will do as they will, but I think it's scary as f*** that small town police are starting to look like the damn US Military.
There is absolutely no need for that kind of equipment in small-town America. NO need.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 15:24:59 GMT -5
By the way, tear gas is technically illegal, per the Geneva Conventions.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 19, 2014 22:39:01 GMT -5
Of course there are awful Southern states, but if you lived in Georgia, specifically Atlanta, you'd see it's a diverse, open city. I live in Georgia now and I would agree concerning Atlanta. I think Georgia gets a worse reputation than it deserves. Hell, Tennessee is even better than places like Alabama. At least it has Nashville and Chattanooga (both cool cities, in my opinion). I can't think of one city I'd want to make a special visit to in Mississippi or Alabama. And I don't mean to specifically shit all over Alabama. I just have the most experience with it since I grew up there. I know how behind the times it is and how racism is still very prevalent there. Fun fact: I graduated from high school in 2004. Our school was 100% Caucasian and they were openly proud of it. Unfortunately, Atlanta is another city that could easily be in the same situation as St. Louis given how segregated it's been. Scary thought for me is that here in Jersey City, it's kind of the same: a major highway was built through the city that wound up unofficially dividing the city between the "white side" and the "black side", to put it simplistically. The city itself is diverse, but where people live winds up being highly segregated. It's not completely unbalanced up here, but there's definitely a dividing line in place (for us, it's route 78).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 22:45:07 GMT -5
Im glad I moved away from a major populated area 2 years ago.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Aug 19, 2014 23:39:54 GMT -5
I'll try not to say too much about my personal thoughts on what's going in Ferguson but I wanted to post something somewhere regarding my respect for Capt. Ron Johnson. The level of empathy, sincerity and respect he has shown to the Ferguson community is upstanding, especially given the compromising position he has been put in.
Unfortunately I think he is in over his head and unable to make much of a difference but man if more police officer were like Ron Johnson this world would be a much better place.
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Post by KStrick on Aug 21, 2014 7:41:18 GMT -5
While I, in no way, condone the militarization of the police in the area, I waited to post on this topic until facts started coming out, other than opinion.
It is now becoming known that Michael Brown attacked officer Darren Wilson, nearly beating him to the point of unconsciousness, including shattering his orbital socket.
Both of the autopsies so far have supported the side of the officer in all of this.
This looks like another case of people's emotions getting ahead of the facts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 9:13:41 GMT -5
While I, in no way, condone the militarization of the police in the area, I waited to post on this topic until facts started coming out, other than opinion. It is now becoming known that Michael Brown attacked officer Darren Wilson, nearly beating him to the point of unconsciousness, including shattering his orbital socket. Both of the autopsies so far have supported the side of the officer in all of this. This looks like another case of people's emotions getting ahead of the facts. Geez. They certainly waited long enough to reveal this information. - Also, source? The only thing I can find is something called gatewaypundit.com which doesn't appear to be legit at all. "Well...its been 4 nights of chaos in Ferguson - I guess we should release this info now because we finally got to try out that new riot gear?" What the heck man? Also - that could just mean Brown was trying to defend himself against Wilson's unwarranted attack. I'd love to know the facts about how Brown got 15-20 away from the car and was still "assaulting the officer" when he got shot.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 21, 2014 9:26:40 GMT -5
By the way, tear gas is technically illegal, per the Geneva Conventions. The Geneva Conventions only apply to war between countries that have signed the Geneva Conventions. Also proper autopsies can take time to complete. Note: Before anyone jumps on it I am not condoning the actions taken by anyone in this situation.
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Post by KStrick on Aug 21, 2014 10:02:36 GMT -5
While I, in no way, condone the militarization of the police in the area, I waited to post on this topic until facts started coming out, other than opinion. It is now becoming known that Michael Brown attacked officer Darren Wilson, nearly beating him to the point of unconsciousness, including shattering his orbital socket. Both of the autopsies so far have supported the side of the officer in all of this. This looks like another case of people's emotions getting ahead of the facts. Geez. They certainly waited long enough to reveal this information. - Also, source? The only thing I can find is something called gatewaypundit.com which doesn't appear to be legit at all. "Well...its been 4 nights of chaos in Ferguson - I guess we should release this info now because we finally got to try out that new riot gear?" What the heck man? Also - that could just mean Brown was trying to defend himself against Wilson's unwarranted attack. I'd love to know the facts about how Brown got 15-20 away from the car and was still "assaulting the officer" when he got shot. www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/
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Post by salsashark on Aug 21, 2014 10:19:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 10:21:37 GMT -5
Geez. They certainly waited long enough to reveal this information. - Also, source? The only thing I can find is something called gatewaypundit.com which doesn't appear to be legit at all. "Well...its been 4 nights of chaos in Ferguson - I guess we should release this info now because we finally got to try out that new riot gear?" What the heck man? Also - that could just mean Brown was trying to defend himself against Wilson's unwarranted attack. I'd love to know the facts about how Brown got 15-20 away from the car and was still "assaulting the officer" when he got shot. www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/Not saying its not true, but an unverified source from Foxnews isn't exactly "facts."
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Post by KStrick on Aug 21, 2014 11:14:49 GMT -5
I see that, and I side with the cops. They didn't draw their weapons until he posed a threat, then after numerous verbal warnings, and him charging them, they shot him. Objectively speaking, I fail to see the cops behaving inappropriately here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 11:36:34 GMT -5
I see that, and I side with the cops. They didn't draw their weapons until he posed a threat, then after numerous verbal warnings, and him charging them, they shot him. Objectively speaking, I fail to see the cops behaving inappropriately here. Its hard for me tell because of the video, but it looked like he was trying to walk around the cops? The camera got shakey when the shots were fired though so I can't see him actually charging at them. Either way, yeah in that case you gotta follow police instructions especially since the guy seemed to be shouting "go ahead and kill me" so it looked like he was trying for suicide by cop maybe? Another good reason for ALL cops to wear cameras. On the flip sisde.... www.10news.com/news/san-diego-police-respond-to-possibly-armed-man-in-mission-bay
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 21, 2014 12:08:39 GMT -5
Wilson being injured/attacked by Brown is not at all confirmed.
Not sure you can justify what happens in this new video: by all eyewitness accounts the guy was mentally disturbed, clearly saying "shoot me, shoot me!" to the police, and while he was absolutely too close to the cops to not be dealt with, deadly force was still the first choice, which is the most unsettling thing.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Aug 21, 2014 12:10:36 GMT -5
Geez. They certainly waited long enough to reveal this information. - Also, source? The only thing I can find is something called gatewaypundit.com which doesn't appear to be legit at all. "Well...its been 4 nights of chaos in Ferguson - I guess we should release this info now because we finally got to try out that new riot gear?" What the heck man? Also - that could just mean Brown was trying to defend himself against Wilson's unwarranted attack. I'd love to know the facts about how Brown got 15-20 away from the car and was still "assaulting the officer" when he got shot. www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/No offense, but Fox News is the channel that took a case to the US Supreme Court arguing that they should get the right to lie to their viewers because they were an entertainment channel, not a news channel. A couple of independent studies of various channels confirmed that they were factually challenged (not that other news channels are right all of the time either, just that Fox is much, much worse at it) and supposedly another actually demonstrated that people who do not watch the news were actually better informed than the average Fox News viewer (I have not read the methodology of that study to say whether or not their claims are accurate, but I would not be shocked). I think I will wait until a few news agencies that actually intend to be news agencies report this as fact before I accept it as such. Another reason that I am reluctant to believe this outside of the source involved is that it just does not make any sense. If the officer HAD received such injuries you would think that the police chief, who seems eager to assassinate the character of Michael Brown at every opportunity, would have jumped at the chance to mention this a freaking week ago. A severe eye injury like that actually could have justified some of the officer's actions, particularly shooting the kid as he allegedly turned in order to surrender as with impaired vision one could argue that it looked to the officer like the kid was turning to shoot at the officer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 22:10:58 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 21, 2014 22:17:29 GMT -5
Wilson being injured/attacked by Brown is not at all confirmed. Not sure you can justify what happens in this new video: by all eyewitness accounts the guy was mentally disturbed, clearly saying "shoot me, shoot me!" to the police, and while he was absolutely too close to the cops to not be dealt with, deadly force was still the first choice, which is the most unsettling thing. Not trying to justify their actions, not knowing any more and certainly less than others, but did they have other means on-hand? Just since rubber bullets, beanbags, etc, are fine and dandy but they're really dangerous to be equipped with in a situation like this where people might bring live rounds, especially in a situation where people are very incensed and would just see a weapon fired, anyway and would still jump to conclusions. This whole situation f***ing sucks, either way.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 21, 2014 23:52:36 GMT -5
I can't really blame police officers for a suicide by cop. Cops don't just come from the police station equipped with riot gear all the time, they have limited means at their disposal. If a guy isn't following orders and is equipped with a dangerous weapon and is a danger to use it, it's hard to see any other choice. Most means of non-lethal force are either unavailable or require to cop to get close enough to be in danger to use.
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