mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Aug 18, 2014 14:43:31 GMT -5
They also have the benefit of working with each other, not Kane and Orton. Dude, Orton is a top performer in the company, I don't care what anyone says. Kane is also a veteran, so really there's no excuse there either.
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Post by Dean F'n Ambrose on Aug 18, 2014 14:44:43 GMT -5
Rollins and Ambrose were in those same tag matches and they're doing well for themselves. They also have the benefit of working with each other, not Kane and Orton. Not like Ambrose has faced Kane or Orton almost every SmackDown or anything.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 18, 2014 14:46:24 GMT -5
I feared last night's match and it lived up to my fears. I figured they would give it far too much time and was worried because 1) Heel Orton is beyond boring in the ring with his constant headlocks and snoozer offense and 2) Reigns isn't ready to carry a major PPV match. There just wasn't enough to it to justify 16 minutes. Give it 11 minutes and cut out the resting crap and you'd have a solid enough match.
The problem I have with Orton and the headlocks is that he doesn't DO anything with it for it to be so featured. He just has a headlock..and that's it. Put feet on the ropes, do pinfall attempts and back to the headlock spots, etc. Do something!
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 18, 2014 14:46:35 GMT -5
Surprised you didn't mention Daniel Bryan in there somewhere.... Daniel Bryan has nothing to do with people making shit up about the match last night between Reigns and Orton. People can like who they want and dislike who they want, but it seems to me like people are so worried about a Roman Reigns push that they have now subconsciously made themselves unable to enjoy anything he does, even if he is getting reactions or is putting on a good match
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 18, 2014 14:46:43 GMT -5
Rollins and Ambrose were in those same tag matches and they're doing well for themselves. But they had years of previous wrestling experience before coming to WWE. This is Roman's first wrestling company. He didn't get the usual Samoan treatment of training and wrestling for Afa before joining WWE. And that's exactly why Reigns shouldn't be pushed so hard.
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Post by chazzbusby on Aug 18, 2014 14:46:48 GMT -5
He can't talk, for one. He can learn that and it's not a big problem. Give him time or give him a mouthpiece.
When he does talk though he is being destroyed by what seems to be a weekly shift in creatives idea for his character. One week it's comedy reigns laugh hour, the next it's Vickie Guerrero bullying time. After that he's strong and silent before showing his SHOUTING THE END OF MY PROMO side and finally resting on the lamely scripted punching a snake bullshit. Belieeee dat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 14:47:36 GMT -5
Pushed like a beast second only to John Cena for months on end qualifies as being given more of a chance than 99% of the roster.
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Post by FAR5222 on Aug 18, 2014 14:48:57 GMT -5
Rollins and Ambrose were in those same tag matches and they're doing well for themselves. They also have the benefit of working with each other, not Kane and Orton. So why can Ambrose work with Orton just fine? The matches they had on Raw and Smackdown were good but last nights match was ass.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 18, 2014 14:50:19 GMT -5
But they had years of previous wrestling experience before coming to WWE. This is Roman's first wrestling company. He didn't get the usual Samoan treatment of training and wrestling for Afa before joining WWE. And that's exactly why Reigns shouldn't be pushed so hard. Why? Because he didn't pay his dues in the indies? That's like telling someone they can't be a starting quarterback because you didn't play in a big national conference.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 18, 2014 14:50:16 GMT -5
If the SHEETS are to be believed, then who's to say he doesn't DRASTICALLY improve by Mania? Writing him off now is unfair. And don't say HE'S HAD 2 YEARS TO IMPROVE because he was stuck in tag matches the whole time. Rollins and Ambrose were in those same tag matches and they're doing well for themselves. And they had 6-7 years longer to learn their craft in the indies before coming to WWE. Reigns is learning really fast, but he's only been wrestling since 2010, there's going to be kinks to work out.
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Post by chazzbusby on Aug 18, 2014 14:51:00 GMT -5
His wrestling also needs work. His work with the Shield perfectly demonstrated his explosive, powerful qualities while hiding his limitations - some of which were somewhat exposed in the one on one with Wyatt. I think his timing is incredible and he knows exactly when to hit moves to pop the crowd but if he's going to be pushed so hard he obviously has to work on the other stuff.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Aug 18, 2014 14:51:34 GMT -5
They also have the benefit of working with each other, not Kane and Orton. Dude, Orton is a top performer in the company, I don't care what anyone says. Kane is also a veteran, so really there's no excuse there either. They're old acts, and a little bit stale, especially Kane at this point. Kane has taken heat from almost everyone he has feuded with for about a year, and as for Orton, I think he's pretty played out. You're putting a guy who is supposed to me new and excited with two of the stalest acts in the company, and expect him to carry the load. I don't think that's fair.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Aug 18, 2014 14:52:27 GMT -5
They also have the benefit of working with each other, not Kane and Orton. So why can Ambrose work with Orton just fine? The matches they had on Raw and Smackdown were good but last nights match was ass. Ambrose is a better worker, and isn't feuding with Orton, he's feuding with Rollins.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 14:54:49 GMT -5
Surprised you didn't mention Daniel Bryan in there somewhere.... Okay, this has nothing to do with anything but I always imagine Chris Jericho saying your posts in the most matter-of-fact way with the dorkiest grin on his face.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 18, 2014 14:54:53 GMT -5
IMO, he needs to lose all of his Shield-ness. It looks weird that the other two have moved on and he hasn't. Lose the vest & combat pants, the entering through the crowd and, most glaringly, get rid of the freaking remix of their old theme. It's just weird.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Aug 18, 2014 14:55:49 GMT -5
The Shield broke up 2 months ago, I don't get where the Reigns has been pushed to the moon over everybody else stuff come from.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 18, 2014 14:56:26 GMT -5
And that's exactly why Reigns shouldn't be pushed so hard. Why? Because he didn't pay his dues in the indies? That's like telling someone they can't be a starting quarterback because you didn't play in a big national conference. It has nothing to do with indies or paying dues. It has everything to do with being good enough to perform at the level your spot should require. It's mind-numbingly stupid that they have guys who are ready for that spot (Cesaro), and do jack shit with them because they are dead-set on pushing Reigns. They want Reigns to be THE guy by 2015, but what would be so bad about making him THE guy in 2017 after he no doubt becomes a much better performer?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Aug 18, 2014 14:56:37 GMT -5
IMO, he needs to lose all of his Shield-ness. It looks weird that the other two have moved on and he hasn't. Lose the vest & combat pants, the entering through the crowd and, most glaringly, get rid of the freaking remix of their old theme. It's just weird. This x100%
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Post by The Tee Why on Aug 18, 2014 14:58:36 GMT -5
I think Reigns is cool, and when he is able to talk and not have to be all intense he sounds laid back and shit.
However, in ring he needs work, he has cool finishers/signature moves but what about the middle of the match? I think he could be good WITH TIME. How long has he been wrestling? Don't hotshot.
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Post by kevin on Aug 18, 2014 14:59:02 GMT -5
Roman Reigns has a great look and is really good with his spots. He could use some work on the mic but the current champion is worse than he is and Reigns is going to get better on it. He does not deserve any of the hate he gets and the idea that he was not organically over is just flat wrong. He has gotten more popular along every step of his career. Yes WWE wanted people to cheer for him but the fact is they did and they cheered dame hard, they still do, and there is zero reason to think they will stop any time soon.
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