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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 1:49:01 GMT -5
Once the initial shock wore off, I didn't feel any kind of way about Undertaker's streak being broken. Same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 2:07:01 GMT -5
The more things change.... The more they get awesome? I loved Diesel. I loved Diesel too. But, I loved Bret more.
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Post by ninjachick on Aug 31, 2014 2:50:23 GMT -5
Sensational Sherri was better than Miss Elizabeth in every aspect.
While I appreciate her "extreme" style. Lita had some sloppy looking moves. Most notably her moonsault.
There is no such thing as a wrestler "devaluing" a title. Just because "you" don't like said wrestler, doesn't mean the title they hold isn't "prestigious"
I don't think Lesnar vs. Punk would have been as good had the no holds barred stipulation not been added.
Damien Sandow is fine just as he is. Entertaining character, completely rubbish and boring in the ring. Can't believe some people wanted him to be WHC.
Josh Matthews was a HORRIBLE commentator.
CM Punk vs. Cena MITB '11 match is totally overrated because the "atmosphere" was cool. The match didn't get good until they started reversing each other's finishers.
From January 2013-October 2013 Every WHC ppv match was better than the WWE title match. Even SummerSlam. I enjoyed ADR vs. Christian more than Cena vs. Bryan, even though Bryan and Cena had almost a solid 20mins more match time.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Aug 31, 2014 4:00:14 GMT -5
The poor quality of the WWE title match at Wrestlemania 27 was entirely Cena's fault.
He screwed up and gave Miz a concussion, he was the one running the match, he should have done a better job.
And it sucks that the company seems to use that match as an excuse to keep Miz stuck in the midcard.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 31, 2014 4:03:43 GMT -5
^Some say that Miz should've never been WWE Champion. I think Miz has more value to the company as a "failed" main eventer than he would have if he'd never been pushed to that point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 4:05:12 GMT -5
HHH's successful career is far more down to his friendship with Shawn Micheals than his marriage to Stephanie.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Aug 31, 2014 5:48:32 GMT -5
- Personally I reckon one of the best things about the PG rating is how bra and panties matches have been phased out. As even when I was a horny teenager I thought that they sucked and it become obvious that they served the sole purpose of trying to hide how bad the Divas at the time were and honestly they were not titillating in any way because as much as I like a good dose of T&A as the next bloke if I really wanted a wank I would just watch porn instead.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Aug 31, 2014 7:43:51 GMT -5
Owen HArt, great as he was, was not World Champion material.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 31, 2014 8:20:53 GMT -5
The poor quality of the WWE title match at Wrestlemania 27 was entirely Cena's fault. He screwed up and gave Miz a concussion, he was the one running the match, he should have done a better job. And it sucks that the company seems to use that match as an excuse to keep Miz stuck in the midcard. Actually I think you can go a step back with that and blame Taker and Triple H for having a four hundred year long match at the expense of everything else. Cena probably only even concussed Miz because they were having to rush through a match (on a f***ing Mania main event no less).
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Aug 31, 2014 9:32:33 GMT -5
The poor quality of the WWE title match at Wrestlemania 27 was entirely Cena's fault. He screwed up and gave Miz a concussion, he was the one running the match, he should have done a better job. And it sucks that the company seems to use that match as an excuse to keep Miz stuck in the midcard. Actually I think you can go a step back with that and blame Taker and Triple H for having a four hundred year long match at the expense of everything else. Cena probably only even concussed Miz because they were having to rush through a match (on a f***ing Mania main event no less). I only hated the match because the champion - even if it WAS Miz - was third wheel in his own title defense. Someone mentioned earlier that a wrestler doesn't "Devalue" a title. Booking like this can devalue a title pretty darn quick. On topic.... Kharma breaking down and crying in the ring was 100% in character to me, because we didn't know enough about her character to justify why she wouldn't. While I appreciate Zack Ryder and his determination to get himself over, the character didn't impress me the first time.
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Post by Adam Black on Aug 31, 2014 9:41:09 GMT -5
I miss World Heavyweight Champion coward Big Show he was hilariously entertaining. I find it funny how limited Reigns' moveset is I mean during the Shield's run he was the only guy who had a definite moveset. What did they have all together? Super punch, spear, triple powerbomb and..........awesome matches . The reason why no one remembers Goldberg's moves is because he changes it week after week. SVR 2006 has a mediocre storyline retarded plot twists, the sexism (owning a diva and having rights to their "services" really?) ,Smackdown and Raw being incredibly racist to each other (which makes zero sense cause both are from WWE) and the endless Triple H dick sucking. WWE lucked out on the Shield's name I mean only the Spanish announcers called them that before their Raw debut. WWE 2K had no idea what Roman Reigns was going to be they probably thought he wasn't a powerhouse (which is why his model looked awkward in 2K14)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 9:53:43 GMT -5
I don't like Paige one bit. She's barely mediocre as a wrestler, terrible talker and has the face of a thumb wars character. I do like Paige but now I'll never unsee this.
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Post by Adam Black on Aug 31, 2014 10:08:41 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain the things said about Roman Reigns now are the exact same things we said about Goldberg back in 1997. As someone who was part of the IWC community at the time, the biggest complaint about Goldberg was how easily he was defeating legends like Curt Hennig, etc. Even though Goldberg had that against him if you will, nobody could deny he was a freakish athlete with incredible displays of brute strength. Goldberg was Brock Lesnar before Brock Lesnar. Reigns is...pretty darned average thus far. Take away his looks and I don't know what he has over, say, Jack Swagger as a performer/in ring talent. He hasn't done much of anything to impress me in singles competition, while with Goldberg he was jack hammering 400+ pound guys and making it look easy. I said this in another thread before and I'll say it again Goldberg had Cesaro like freakish strength yes he was big but in no way was he big enough to be throwing 400+ pound guys like that which makes it even more impressive.
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Post by JDviant on Aug 31, 2014 10:19:10 GMT -5
I'd be perfectly happy with more old cliches in current wrestling. Foreign heels who hate America are awesome.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Aug 31, 2014 10:27:49 GMT -5
I only hated the match because the champion - even if it WAS Miz - was third wheel in his own title defense. Someone mentioned earlier that a wrestler doesn't "Devalue" a title. Booking like this can devalue a title pretty darn quick. I didn't think it was all that different from WM 14. That match was ALL about Austin and Tyson.....Shawn (the champion) just happened to be there. Very similar.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Aug 31, 2014 10:29:24 GMT -5
I only hated the match because the champion - even if it WAS Miz - was third wheel in his own title defense. Someone mentioned earlier that a wrestler doesn't "Devalue" a title. Booking like this can devalue a title pretty darn quick. I didn't think it was all that different from WM 14. That match was ALL about Austin and Tyson.....Shawn (the champion) just happened to be there. Very similar. Christ, Miz really is the Michaels to Morrison's Jannetty.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 31, 2014 11:40:54 GMT -5
I think that people are a little hard on Stephanie McMahon for her 9/11 comment where she brings up what was to that point the most personal tragedy of her life as a point of comparison, due in large part because of who was saying it. No, I'm not pulling the standard "If CM Punk did this-" horseshit, but people already had an opinion of Stephanie and this was very easy to twist to fit the narrative of the spoiled princess, glossing over the fact that "The US government is trying to put your dad in prison" would be scary as f*** to virtually anyone, regardless of what money you do or do not have. Who has time for empathy when there's time for snap judgments to direct your frustration in times of fear and anger?
It was clumsy and unwise, but it was also a f***load more sincere and heartfelt than a lot of platitudes given by people in response to a number of tragedies. I'll take "meaning well but tripping" over "our PR department prepared a soulless, empty gesture for me to say today".
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Aug 31, 2014 11:53:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure how unpopular these opinions are but here we go
Raven is was not misused in WWE. He was where he deserved to be, mid to lowercard.
Randy Orton is one of the most talented wrestlers in the WWE.
Lesnar is highly underrated on the mic.
Miz is a good wrestler and was perfect for a chickenshit WWE champion.
Ziggler is good but not WWE championship material.
Melina was not good in the ring.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Aug 31, 2014 12:00:00 GMT -5
Miz is a good wrestler and was perfect for a chickenshit WWE champion. I laugh when I see so many armchair bookers talk about how Miz never should have won the belt, but completely missed the f***ing point of his reign. You weren't supposed to take a skinny douchebag like him seriously, you were supposed to hate him because he was an undeserving weasel who kept sneaking through the back door to get victories.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 31, 2014 17:53:51 GMT -5
I think that people are a little hard on Stephanie McMahon for her 9/11 comment where she brings up what was to that point the most personal tragedy of her life as a point of comparison, due in large part because of who was saying it. No, I'm not pulling the standard "If CM Punk did this-" horseshit, but people already had an opinion of Stephanie and this was very easy to twist to fit the narrative of the spoiled princess, glossing over the fact that "The US government is trying to put your dad in prison" would be scary as f*** to virtually anyone, regardless of what money you do or do not have. Who has time for empathy when there's time for snap judgments to direct your frustration in times of fear and anger? It was clumsy and unwise, but it was also a f***load more sincere and heartfelt than a lot of platitudes given by people in response to a number of tragedies. I'll take "meaning well but tripping" over "our PR department prepared a soulless, empty gesture for me to say today". The difference was, if you actually followed the case, and saw the fluke reason why Vince was found not guilty, you'd realize that unlike 9/11, her Daddy in all likelihood was responsible and guilty of the charges levied against him. That's what sticks in people craws. Vince was found not guilty, and no one can take that away from him, but he was hardly a government target and scapegoat. So her comparing a crime he *may have* committed and how it made her feel to how people victimized by 9/11 would feel is ridiculous and deserves all the scorn it gets.
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