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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 1, 2014 16:18:35 GMT -5
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 1, 2014 16:19:39 GMT -5
Implying none of those things happened to anyone other than blacks. In America? ...Nope, I'm pretty sure blacks were the only ones that were straight up taken from their homes, put in chains, thrown on a boat, and forced to serve people. It's a ridiculous argument, dude. Straight up.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 1, 2014 16:20:57 GMT -5
I think it's cause your painting multiple nationalities and cultures (British, German, Irish, Jewish, Spanish, etc) under a broad a stroke as possible to make it look worse, and by proxxy acting like all of those people's own barriers don't exist or are paltry compared to someone else's. They don't exist and are paltry compared to what the non-white experience has been in America for a much longer period of time. ?.....That is honestly one of the most racist thing I've seen.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 1, 2014 16:21:22 GMT -5
Ok but what does any of that have to do with the issues blacks faced during that time period? You are avoiding the core issue at hand. Black people have not always been on equal standing with whites in popular media. Quit ducking the issue with these silly, paper-thin examples. Which whites? Again, a lot of cultures fall into that broad catagory, and I'd love to hear from you how people like the Jewish people or Irish people or such had it so much easier than blacks in America. OK, so, there was this thing called slavery... And then there was this 3/5th clause... and then there were Jim Crow laws... I mean, there's been quite a lot.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Sept 1, 2014 16:22:46 GMT -5
They don't exist and are paltry compared to what the non-white experience has been in America for a much longer period of time. ?.....That is honestly one of the most racist thing I've seen. It took us ten pages, but we've finally made it to the Oppression Olympics part of this thread!
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 1, 2014 16:23:01 GMT -5
I think his point is that black people have to be "god tier" to live in the same neighborhood as "normal" white people. Yeah I get that he's saying that. But I don't get his reasoning. He's got an observation that he, Mary J., Eddie Murphy, and Jay-Z live in a neighborhood full of, I guess, "average" white people? A quick search, so forgive if it's not deadly accurate, says the average dentists salary is $163k a year. In that case, I want to be average so, so hard. I don't have any experience with making 6 figures and owning a multimillion dollar home, is that salary enough to pay for that expensive of a house? If there was a black dentist that was making good money, he could live in that neighborhood. Unless, like I said, he's making a point that black people either don't partake in said profession or don't get paid as well. Or maybe it's that the white people are born into money, so they've got a ton stacked away PLUS what they make in their profession. I'm not trying to claim reverse racism! or anything dumb. Chris Rock can be great and has excellent delivery, but I think that delivery lets him get by with some sort of bullshit material sometimes. His take on Columbine, for example, was ridiculously stupid. So I was just sort of breaking down what he said, because I didn't feel like his example was any proof of his claim, just an observation that 4 black entertainers live in a white neighborhood and one of them happens to be a dentist. The thing is that a black dentist may have had a lot harder time getting in that neighborhood than a white dentist. When it comes to things like that, it often isn't enough to just have a good job and walk into a real estate office, there are other barriers that minorities still face in ways that are more subtle. Banks may not be as generous with loans and real estate agents may not show in a neighborhood if not prompted. And given that affluent neighborhoods don't often have for sale signs in front of the houses, that can be a lot bigger barrier than it seems.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 1, 2014 16:23:54 GMT -5
They don't exist and are paltry compared to what the non-white experience has been in America for a much longer period of time. ?.....That is honestly one of the most racist thing I've seen. Have you not seen your other posts in this very thread?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 16:25:14 GMT -5
A post that I made in the "this thread can't go wrong" thread, make of it what you will. *things are going pretty good until _______________ or _______________ shows up then it all goes to hell*
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 1, 2014 16:25:53 GMT -5
They don't exist and are paltry compared to what the non-white experience has been in America for a much longer period of time. ?.....That is honestly one of the most racist thing I've seen. ...what? Dude, do you hear the words "wop" and "mick" daily? When was the last time you sign as sign that said "No Jews. No Dogs. No Irish." We didn't enslave those people. We enslaved blacks. We enslaved Asians. We put Japanese people in camps for being the wrong color during war. Did they round up Germans? Did a f***ing Army platoon deploy in Italian neighborhoods during that time? No. They f***ing didn't. Because Italians and Germans are white.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 1, 2014 16:26:13 GMT -5
Implying none of those things happened to anyone other than blacks. I can't recall any stories of Irish children needing the national guard to be desegregated into schools. If you know of any, feel free to enlighten me.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Sept 1, 2014 16:29:45 GMT -5
I'm going out for some fresh air. By the time I'm back, I'm expecting 5 more pages, someone posting the homicide .gif, and the almighty thread lock.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 1, 2014 16:30:08 GMT -5
?.....That is honestly one of the most racist thing I've seen. ...what? Dude, do you hear the words "wop" and "mick" daily? When was the last time you sign as sign that said "No Jews. No Dogs. No Irish." We didn't enslave those people. We enslaved blacks. We enslaved Asians. We put Japanese people in camps for being the wrong color during war. Did they round up Germans? Did a f***ing Army platoon deploy in Italian neighborhoods during that time? No. They f***ing didn't. Because Italians and Germans are white. We did not do anything. Me because I was born near the 90s in an entirely different country, and you all have done neither of those at all, unless there are some threads I missed. The fact chaz is willing to stereotype half the world as the same and equally culpable of blame is sick.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 1, 2014 16:33:23 GMT -5
...what? Dude, do you hear the words "wop" and "mick" daily? When was the last time you sign as sign that said "No Jews. No Dogs. No Irish." We didn't enslave those people. We enslaved blacks. We enslaved Asians. We put Japanese people in camps for being the wrong color during war. Did they round up Germans? Did a f***ing Army platoon deploy in Italian neighborhoods during that time? No. They f***ing didn't. Because Italians and Germans are white. We did not do anything. Me because I was born near the 90s in an entirely different country, and you all have done neither of those at all, unless there are some threads I missed. The fact chaz is willing to stereotype half the world as the same and equally culpable of blame is sick. I mean this country in general dude. Ignoring problems don't make them go away, minor steps of progress are still minor. My family was poor cotton farmers in Northeast Arkansas, my family didn't do shit but work alongside minorities but trying to downplay history because you weren't there just makes you look even more ignorant. Why don't you try addressing solid arguments instead of saying "Nuh uh, minorities complain too much!" I honestly don't think you've addressed the bigger problem here, opting to take pot shots on easy things instead.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 1, 2014 16:37:05 GMT -5
...what? Dude, do you hear the words "wop" and "mick" daily? When was the last time you sign as sign that said "No Jews. No Dogs. No Irish." We didn't enslave those people. We enslaved blacks. We enslaved Asians. We put Japanese people in camps for being the wrong color during war. Did they round up Germans? Did a f***ing Army platoon deploy in Italian neighborhoods during that time? No. They f***ing didn't. Because Italians and Germans are white. We did not do anything. Me because I was born near the 90s in an entirely different country, and you all have done neither of those at all, unless there are some threads I missed. The fact chaz is willing to stereotype half the world as the same and equally culpable of blame is sick. I'm blaming white Americans for doing well documented things white Americans did in America to people who weren't white. Why is calling out racism and acknowledging not just the atrocities that occurred in the past, as well as the mentality that allowed those tragic cultural missteps to occur that are still prevalent today such a challenging thing for you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 16:37:14 GMT -5
Which whites? Again, a lot of cultures fall into that broad catagory, and I'd love to hear from you how people like the Jewish people or Irish people or such had it so much easier than blacks in America. OK, so, there was this thing called slavery... And then there was this 3/5th clause... and then there were Jim Crow laws... I mean, there's been quite a lot. Not to mention how recent all this shit happened. American Chattel Slavery ended...what? About 140 years ago? Thinking about it, my grandfather is at the spry young age of 82. My grandfather's father would've actually been a slave. It ain't that long ago. And if we talk about Jim Crow and how particularly in a place like Louisiana that shit didn't really end until the 1970s?! Dude. My mom and dad were born in 1957. My mother remembers the day her school got integrated. Her older brothers were politically active staging sit-ins and the like, they went to schools in the time when that shit was still segregated. My dad has a ton of stories about Black Atakapa-descended cousins getting lynched, not being served by any hotels when night fell, knowing which towns were safe to stop in after dark in the first place... This would've been the 1960s. Even if you consider all that stuff over, it wasn't that long ago when it was all in full swing. A lot of y'all have parents and grandparents who lived on either side of that shit too.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 1, 2014 16:39:03 GMT -5
We did not do anything. Me because I was born near the 90s in an entirely different country, and you all have done neither of those at all, unless there are some threads I missed. The fact chaz is willing to stereotype half the world as the same and equally culpable of blame is sick. I mean this country in general dude. Ignoring problems don't make them go away, minor steps of progress are still minor. My family was poor cotton farmers in Northeast Arkansas, my family didn't do shit but work alongside minorities but trying to downplay history because you weren't there just makes you look even more ignorant. Why don't you try addressing solid arguments instead of saying "Nuh uh, minorities complain too much!" I honestly don't think you've addressed the bigger problem here, opting to take pot shots on easy things instead. Really? I never said anything remotely in the ballaprk of "minorities complain too much". My first posts were trying to correct this idea of TV only being white rather than mixed, and after it was seeing if it was people here taking various peoples and calling them white. I'm getting sick of my arguments getting ignored in lieu of some strawman argument.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 1, 2014 16:39:27 GMT -5
THIS STOPS RIGHT NOW. NO MORE, NOT A WORD. NO "OPPRESSION OLYMPICS" IN THIS THREAD. END OF STORY.
We have handled this thread well up to this point, it has been civil and reasonable, and exceedingly well moderated.
If people want to discuss these matters, we will do so in a polite, historically accurate way.
Don't get a thread locked that's been doing so well, please.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 1, 2014 16:41:44 GMT -5
We did not do anything. Me because I was born near the 90s in an entirely different country, and you all have done neither of those at all, unless there are some threads I missed. The fact chaz is willing to stereotype half the world as the same and equally culpable of blame is sick. I mean this country in general dude. Ignoring problems don't make them go away, minor steps of progress are still minor. My family was poor cotton farmers in Northeast Arkansas, my family didn't do shit but work alongside minorities but trying to downplay history because you weren't there just makes you look even more ignorant. Why don't you try addressing solid arguments instead of saying "Nuh uh, minorities complain too much!" I honestly don't think you've addressed the bigger problem here, opting to take pot shots on easy things instead. What part of Arkansas city wise?
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Post by chazraps on Sept 1, 2014 16:44:13 GMT -5
I mean this country in general dude. Ignoring problems don't make them go away, minor steps of progress are still minor. My family was poor cotton farmers in Northeast Arkansas, my family didn't do shit but work alongside minorities but trying to downplay history because you weren't there just makes you look even more ignorant. Why don't you try addressing solid arguments instead of saying "Nuh uh, minorities complain too much!" I honestly don't think you've addressed the bigger problem here, opting to take pot shots on easy things instead. Really? I never said anything remotely in the ballaprk of "minorities complain too much". My first posts were trying to correct this idea of TV only being white rather than mixed, and after it was seeing if it was people here taking various peoples and calling them white. I'm getting sick of my arguments getting ignored in lieu of some strawman argument. But you were very, VERY wrong about TV at that time for some random knee-jerk reaction that you felt compelled to say "black people never REALLY had it that bad" for some reason. All those "Types of white" you mentioned have never, ever in the history of the medium of television been underrepresented the way black people have. I'll go one further and say in the entire history of modern American entertainment (let's say 1950-current), that's never, ever been the case. It seems you're trying to backpedal from an incorrect belief about a time you weren't alive for by covering it with a completely inaccurate history of minorities in America.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Sept 1, 2014 16:45:36 GMT -5
The original intent was good but seeing what it has turned into I have only one response
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