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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 1, 2014 16:01:58 GMT -5
I think it's cause your painting multiple nationalities and cultures (British, German, Irish, Jewish, Spanish, etc) under a broad a stroke as possible to make it look worse, and by proxxy acting like all of those people's own barriers don't exist or are paltry compared to someone else's. Ok but what does any of that have to do with the issues blacks faced during that time period? You are avoiding the core issue at hand. Black people have not always been on equal standing with whites in popular media. Quit ducking the issue with these silly, paper-thin examples. Which whites? Again, a lot of cultures fall into that broad catagory, and I'd love to hear from you how people like the Jewish people or Irish people or such had it so much easier than blacks in America.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 1, 2014 16:02:32 GMT -5
I think his point is that black people have to be "god tier" to live in the same neighborhood as "normal" white people. Yeah I get that he's saying that. But I don't get his reasoning. He's got an observation that he, Mary J., Eddie Murphy, and Jay-Z live in a neighborhood full of, I guess, "average" white people? A quick search, so forgive if it's not deadly accurate, says the average dentists salary is $163k a year. In that case, I want to be average so, so hard. I don't have any experience with making 6 figures and owning a multimillion dollar home, is that salary enough to pay for that expensive of a house? If there was a black dentist that was making good money, he could live in that neighborhood. Unless, like I said, he's making a point that black people either don't partake in said profession or don't get paid as well. Or maybe it's that the white people are born into money, so they've got a ton stacked away PLUS what they make in their profession. I'm not trying to claim reverse racism! or anything dumb. Chris Rock can be great and has excellent delivery, but I think that delivery lets him get by with some sort of bullshit material sometimes. His take on Columbine, for example, was ridiculously stupid. So I was just sort of breaking down what he said, because I didn't feel like his example was any proof of his claim, just an observation that 4 black entertainers live in a white neighborhood and one of them happens to be a dentist. I hear you man, but I did mention this earlier in the thread (can't totally blame you if you don't feel like swimming through everything to get to it, I suppose): Studies show that if you take a white professional and a black professional (be they lawyers, doctors, whatevers), each earning the same exact amount of money (say over $200,000 a year), the white professional is infinitely more likely to live in a neighborhood surrounded by people of equal economic standing, while the black professional is much more likely to live in a poorer, still racially segregated neighborhood. The studies indicate that, unless there's some culture-wide movement among upper-middle-class/upper class African Americans to stay away from suburbs that nobody's heard about it, we STILL have racist housing/real estate/bank loan/property valuation/etc. practices in America that keep black families from moving into traditionally white neighborhoods, even when they're more than wealthy enough to do so. Rock's point is that the only way a black person is getting into that neighborhood is if they're multi-millionaires many, many times over; really, just think of all the money he, Eddie Murphy, and Mary J. Blige have earned in their careers, and it's staggering. Meanwhile, his neighbors can be very wealthy...but nowhere near THAT wealthy...yet they're universally white. Thus, in order for a black family to live in that white neighborhood, they have to overachieve by a ridiculous margin, as the neighborhood doesn't even include a black dentist/lawyer/professional of some other kind, only black mega superstars of media who've become world famous. As for BET, it wasn't just the lack of depictions of African American characters/leads/etc. on network TV as of 1979, it was also the fact that the world of media back then...and to a large degree still to this day...had very few, if any, black leaders at the top of any networks, and very few shows that bothered to even discuss "black issues" (not the best way to phrase it, but at least discussing major issues from an African-American perspective) at the time, either. Obviously BET isn't what it was when it began in '79 anymore, but there's a whole slew of reasons behind why it served an important role in its infancy.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 1, 2014 16:04:06 GMT -5
This also reminds how criticism of a joke that uses racism is met with "stop being so pc,bro!" But if you make fun of racism itself, all of a sudden you're being unfair to certain groups. The irony. People don't wanna hear that they're wrong. It's a fundamental resistance to seeing the world through any eyes that aren't there's. I've lost two of my best friends growing up in the last five years to violent incidents and one was race motivated. I've not even fully recovered from the loss despite falling out of contact not long before the fact and I'll never get the chance to reconnect with a dude that I came up roaming the streets with, running up in Auntie Lil's place for food, played three seasons of baseball with, a dude that I probably saw more when I young than I saw some of my own family. I'll never get a text from him that says "Ayyyyy Digga, remember Sharise from when were kids? She's back in town and askin everybody 'Where's Digga?' She's a dime now too. Move back bruh!" or any other random thing he'd hit me with. Why? Because one f***ing racist prick couldn't get over minor differences in culture. f*** that, f*** him, and f*** anyone that doesn't have a problem with racism because even if you tolerate the behavior without engaging in it, you're part of the problem.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 1, 2014 16:04:45 GMT -5
Ok but what does any of that have to do with the issues blacks faced during that time period? You are avoiding the core issue at hand. Black people have not always been on equal standing with whites in popular media. Quit ducking the issue with these silly, paper-thin examples. Which whites? Again, a lot of cultures fall into that broad catagory, and I'd love to hear from you how people like the Jewish people or Irish people or such had it so much easier than blacks in America. I really don't know if you want to go down that rabbit hole. Yes, prejudice did exist against other European immigrants, but being owned and hanged by mobs and such, you're never going to win the arguments that blacks had it easier than whites in America. And if you're going to criticize him for lumping all whites together, he could do the exact same thing on you for lumping all blacks together into Benson and Thriller.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Sept 1, 2014 16:07:17 GMT -5
Ok but what does any of that have to do with the issues blacks faced during that time period? You are avoiding the core issue at hand. Black people have not always been on equal standing with whites in popular media. Quit ducking the issue with these silly, paper-thin examples. Which whites? Again, a lot of cultures fall into that broad catagory, and I'd love to hear from you how people like the Jewish people or Irish people or such had it so much easier than blacks in America. Did Irish Americans have to be escorted by the national guard to school, were Jewish Americans forced to pick cotton for no pay. Blacks have had it pretty damn rough in America not just in culture but in general, possibly the only group that has had it as tough as Black Americans is the Native Americans. A lot of films didn't even want to use blacks or Asians in feature roles, you had Micky Rooney being an Asian and even as far as the 80ies you had Soul Man which is nothing a white man in black face to abuse the system nothing but a stereotype.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 1, 2014 16:07:49 GMT -5
Ok but what does any of that have to do with the issues blacks faced during that time period? You are avoiding the core issue at hand. Black people have not always been on equal standing with whites in popular media. Quit ducking the issue with these silly, paper-thin examples. Which whites? Again, a lot of cultures fall into that broad catagory, and I'd love to hear from you how people like the Jewish people or Irish people or such had it so much easier than blacks in America. My heritage is deeply rooted in England, Ireland, France, Scotland, what is now Israel, and North Africa. I'm right here telling you what I think bro and I still think you're wrong and really just need to back off the topic before you say something truly offensive.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 1, 2014 16:08:40 GMT -5
Ok but what does any of that have to do with the issues blacks faced during that time period? You are avoiding the core issue at hand. Black people have not always been on equal standing with whites in popular media. Quit ducking the issue with these silly, paper-thin examples. Which whites? Again, a lot of cultures fall into that broad catagory, and I'd love to hear from you how people like the Jewish people or Irish people or such had it so much easier than blacks in America. Slavery?
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Sept 1, 2014 16:09:05 GMT -5
That's now, chazraps is talking about when BET was first created. Even then, in 83, you still had A Team, Jeffersons, Benson, Soul Train, CHiPs, Fat Albert, not to mention this was the year of Thriller and Michael Jackson. Have you ever heard the phrase "exception that proves the rule"?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 16:09:28 GMT -5
I think his point is that black people have to be "god tier" to live in the same neighborhood as "normal" white people. Yeah I get that he's saying that. But I don't get his reasoning. He's got an observation that he, Mary J., Eddie Murphy, and Jay-Z live in a neighborhood full of, I guess, "average" white people? A quick search, so forgive if it's not deadly accurate, says the average dentists salary is $163k a year. In that case, I want to be average so, so hard. I don't have any experience with making 6 figures and owning a multimillion dollar home, is that salary enough to pay for that expensive of a house? If there was a black dentist that was making good money, he could live in that neighborhood. Unless, like I said, he's making a point that black people either don't partake in said profession or don't get paid as well. Or maybe it's that the white people are born into money, so they've got a ton stacked away PLUS what they make in their profession. I'm not trying to claim reverse racism! or anything dumb. Chris Rock can be great and has excellent delivery, but I think that delivery lets him get by with some sort of bullshit material sometimes. His take on Columbine, for example, was ridiculously stupid. So I was just sort of breaking down what he said, because I didn't feel like his example was any proof of his claim, just an observation that 4 black entertainers live in a white neighborhood and one of them happens to be a dentist. That's used to support the one thing I know I was always told by my parents. It's like the one constant that nearly every black parent I know has passed down to their kids, especially in regards to having to compete in anything that involves competing directly against white people: "You have to be twice as good to get half as much." I mean, Chris Rock ain't full of shit here. Black people still make less money doing the same jobs as our white counterparts and until arguably very recently black people weren't even allowed to accumulate wealth, so even when you say "average" the average black home still has a hell of a lot less wealth to kick around than the average white household.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 1, 2014 16:11:15 GMT -5
Ok but what does any of that have to do with the issues blacks faced during that time period? You are avoiding the core issue at hand. Black people have not always been on equal standing with whites in popular media. Quit ducking the issue with these silly, paper-thin examples. Which whites? Again, a lot of cultures fall into that broad catagory, and I'd love to hear from you how people like the Jewish people or Irish people or such had it so much easier than blacks in America. JIM CROW. LYNCHINGS. SLAVERY
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Sept 1, 2014 16:11:26 GMT -5
Ok but what does any of that have to do with the issues blacks faced during that time period? You are avoiding the core issue at hand. Black people have not always been on equal standing with whites in popular media. Quit ducking the issue with these silly, paper-thin examples. Which whites? Again, a lot of cultures fall into that broad catagory, and I'd love to hear from you how people like the Jewish people or Irish people or such had it so much easier than blacks in America. The funniest part of this post is that one of dudes in the video literally said "Y'know, the Irish faced discrimination too."
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 1, 2014 16:14:45 GMT -5
American Indians are the only group that could play the 'who had it worse' game with any sort of straight face.
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 1, 2014 16:15:56 GMT -5
Implying none of those things happened to anyone other than blacks.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 1, 2014 16:16:47 GMT -5
The heck does Thriller and Michael Jackson have anything to do with it? Your examples are literally the only examples, and even they paint a worse picture for how things were. SIX shows vs the entire rest of network and cable television. Even if they were on the same network, that's only three out of 168 hours, meaning you had a (mostly white-written) black representation for exactly 0.02% of a broadcast week. I think it's cause your painting multiple nationalities and cultures (British, German, Irish, Jewish, Spanish, etc) under a broad a stroke as possible to make it look worse, and by proxxy acting like all of those people's own barriers don't exist or are paltry compared to someone else's. They don't exist and are paltry compared to what the non-white experience has been in America for a much longer period of time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 16:17:01 GMT -5
Which whites? Again, a lot of cultures fall into that broad catagory, and I'd love to hear from you how people like the Jewish people or Irish people or such had it so much easier than blacks in America. JIM CROW. LYNCHINGS. SLAVERY
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 1, 2014 16:17:06 GMT -5
American Indians are the only group that could play the 'who had it worse' game with any sort of straight face. As far as the US goes, certainly.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Sept 1, 2014 16:17:27 GMT -5
Implying none of those things happened to anyone other than blacks. Implying that culture heritage makes a bit of difference in this country as long as you're white and speak English.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 1, 2014 16:17:51 GMT -5
Implying none of those things happened to anyone other than blacks. In the U.S.? C'mon man.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 16:18:01 GMT -5
Which whites? Again, a lot of cultures fall into that broad catagory, and I'd love to hear from you how people like the Jewish people or Irish people or such had it so much easier than blacks in America. JIM CROW. LYNCHINGS. SLAVERY
Jesus christ, you cannot be real right now. ...should I even mention a big part of how the Irish became "white" involved directly enacting and supporting racist violence against black people? I mean, y'all been hitting it but I just think this needs to be mentioned. I'm going to go back and eat my popcorn now because this topic is in ruins. A lot of dudes are getting put on blast right now...
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Sept 1, 2014 16:18:18 GMT -5
Implying none of those things happened to anyone other than blacks. Someone's been visiting /pol/.
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