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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 1, 2014 13:38:22 GMT -5
It begs the question of what feud Brock is currently in.
Cena seems to have moved on. Rollins won't confront him directly. Ambrose is still focused on Rollins.
The way is clear for them to do something with Orton/Lesnar.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 1, 2014 14:04:06 GMT -5
Here's another thing that Cena could conceivably explain why he's going after Seth.
Because as long as Seth had the MITB, he's never going to get a fair chance at the title (if we don't take into consideration the HIAC).
So I guess...Cena would either take Seth's briefcase...or Cena would cause Seth to lose a cash in.
That's some depressing shit right there.
Honestly, if Cena has SUCH an issue with the MITB briefcase, he should bitch at WWE execs for continuing to have a concept that screws over champions because someone else is given the ability to have a title match at any time.
It's like if a town allowed a tournament to take place and the winner of the tournament was allowed to legally murder someone. I'd be more pissed off that it was being held to begin with.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 1, 2014 14:06:22 GMT -5
Honestly if I was Cena, I'd let Seth cash in on Lesnar, since he'd have a better chance beating Rollins than Lesnar
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Post by mizerable on Oct 1, 2014 14:07:58 GMT -5
Honestly if I was Cena, I'd let Seth cash in on Lesnar, since he'd have a better chance beating Rollins than Lesnar That's more of an Austin thing. Cena on the other hand rather make them both pay. Because he's the end all or some shit.
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Post by Crimson on Oct 1, 2014 15:14:22 GMT -5
The way is clear for them to do something with Orton/Lesnar. I won't lie, I actually do want to see VoicesInMyHead!Orton vs Brock Lesnar.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 1, 2014 18:55:55 GMT -5
See this Why the f*** should Cena just be like "Eh no big deal?" Imagine if you could say "I killed Satan" but get that taken away from you by some schmuck who just wanted more money, would you just be like "whatever" or would you be livid? Because what would make logical sense would be for him to demand another match with Brock in an environment where there's no possibility of that happening again. If the title is what he's mad about, he should be going after the titleholder. He can be angry& even attack Seth, but it shouldn't be an end forl in itself. It's not hypocrisy to want motivations to make sense. It's blatant f***ing hypocrisy when people bitch and moan CONSTANTLY about how Cena just shrugs stuff off like it's no big deal, and then the ONE time he's actually pissed at someone they say "Wow Cena stop being a bitch and get over it" It's clear baseless Cena hate where people who don't like the guy will contradict themselves in any way just to trash the guy and it doesn't make sense
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Post by angryfan on Oct 1, 2014 19:59:13 GMT -5
Because what would make logical sense would be for him to demand another match with Brock in an environment where there's no possibility of that happening again. If the title is what he's mad about, he should be going after the titleholder. He can be angry& even attack Seth, but it shouldn't be an end forl in itself. It's not hypocrisy to want motivations to make sense. It's blatant f***ing hypocrisy when people bitch and moan CONSTANTLY about how Cena just shrugs stuff off like it's no big deal, and then the ONE time he's actually pissed at someone they say "Wow Cena stop being a bitch and get over it" It's clear baseless Cena hate where people who don't like the guy will contradict themselves in any way just to trash the guy and it doesn't make sense He's pissed at someone, but he's not pissed at the guy he lost to. He's pissed at a guy who did exactly what Punk did, exactly what Edge did, exactly what damn near every other MitB winner has done. What this means is that the Ambrose/Rollins arc, which has been great and has made both guys look great and has a story with real emotion to it, has to go away. It has to go full stop because we need Seth to get his. Never mind there are a ton of guys who all want to kick Rollins' ass, never mind that each of them has motivations that could tell their own story. Cena cared when Rock beat him. That was fine, ham fisted though it was. And the end of the day, Cena won. Cena now cares that Rollins screwed him and Brock has his title. This means, based on ten years of story arcs, that Cena is beating Rollins, which leaves what? Does Ambrose come in and pick up the scraps? How does that help him? Orton and Kane are heels who actually dislike another heel, so we could see something interesting from them, which both guys actually need a compelling storyline, so what happens to them? Point is, Rollins as the heel everyone hates could, and should, be a way to get two or three interesting and money-drawing storylines. Cena has a part, Ambrose has a part, Kane and Orton have a part, and each can be interesting. Problem is, if they start with Cena, and Cena wins (which of course, he will), then there is no reason or purpose to the other storylines. Thay are moot and no one will have a reason to care because Rollins, like Taker's streak loss to Brock, will wind up being a set piece in Cena saving the day. This promo didn't feel like "I care, and I want payback" it felt like "I get payback, and nobody else". I frankly expected a damn foot stomp at the end and Cena storming out in a huff.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 1, 2014 20:19:03 GMT -5
Cena's a weird dude. When he loses the biggest match of his career, one that he cannot afford to lose (his words) to the Rock, he's all chipper and full of "aww shucks, I'll get 'im next time" the next night. But when Del Rio uses his briefcase to win the title of CM Punk, he erupts like a thousand volcanoes at once.
Much like how the Bellas can't inflict the right words, Cena doesn't seem to understand when it's time to really get mad (or sad). If Rollins had caused Cena to actually lose, I'd understand his anger. But Cens just doesn't fit in this Rollins/Ambrose beef, his focus should really still be on the title which he can claim he could have won. This is just another case of crappy WWE booking deciding they don't want to book Lesnar for HIAC despite building up to an inevitable match between him and Cena there. Hell, I'd even be more forgiving if his intention was to take the briefcase from Rollins so he could use it himself.
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Post by Aboutreika18 on Oct 1, 2014 20:37:28 GMT -5
Cena's the sort of character a narcissistic fanfiction writer would make up, full of inconsistent traits, completely unrelatable on any personal level and a general douche to others that always comes on top against the odds.
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Post by Shark on Oct 1, 2014 21:05:49 GMT -5
Cena's a weird dude. When he loses the biggest match of his career, one that he cannot afford to lose (his words) to the Rock, he's all chipper and full of "aww shucks, I'll get 'im next time" the next night. But when Del Rio uses his briefcase to win the title of CM Punk, he erupts like a thousand volcanoes at once. Much like how the Bellas can't inflict the right words, Cena doesn't seem to understand when it's time to really get mad (or sad). If Rollins had caused Cena to actually lose, I'd understand his anger. But Cens just doesn't fit in this Rollins/Ambrose beef, his focus should really still be on the title which he can claim he could have won. This is just another case of crappy WWE booking deciding they don't want to book Lesnar for HIAC despite building up to an inevitable match between him and Cena there. Hell, I'd even be more forgiving if his intention was to take the briefcase from Rollins so he could use it himself. You hit the nail on the head right there. Cena actually won the match with Brock by DQ. It wasn't established ahead of time that if Cena didn't win the title he couldn't get another title shot. Cena won the match and really should be demanding another shot at Lesnar. Cena wanting Rollins is fine, but the anger isn't justifiable in this case especially when he's acting like Rollins cost him a once in a lifetime shot. Hell Cena has passed on and even championed other guys getting title shots instead of him because he knows he can get another shot down the line. His anger with Rollins feels so misplaced because it makes no real sense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 21:08:56 GMT -5
Because what would make logical sense would be for him to demand another match with Brock in an environment where there's no possibility of that happening again. If the title is what he's mad about, he should be going after the titleholder. He can be angry& even attack Seth, but it shouldn't be an end forl in itself. It's not hypocrisy to want motivations to make sense. It's blatant f***ing hypocrisy when people bitch and moan CONSTANTLY about how Cena just shrugs stuff off like it's no big deal, and then the ONE time he's actually pissed at someone they say "Wow Cena stop being a bitch and get over it" It's clear baseless Cena hate where people who don't like the guy will contradict themselves in any way just to trash the guy and it doesn't make sense I don't know how you can read the first few pages of the thread which back up points re: comparative heat & dislike of Rollins between Ambrose/Cena and say 'baseless Cena hate' whilst clearly being very wound up. If Cena's your guy, it's cool, but just argue against the points raised in the thread rather than outright ignoring of discussion.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 1, 2014 21:13:23 GMT -5
It's blatant f***ing hypocrisy when people bitch and moan CONSTANTLY about how Cena just shrugs stuff off like it's no big deal, and then the ONE time he's actually pissed at someone they say "Wow Cena stop being a bitch and get over it" It's clear baseless Cena hate where people who don't like the guy will contradict themselves in any way just to trash the guy and it doesn't make sense I don't know how you can read the first few pages of the thread which back up points re: comparative heat & dislike of Rollins between Ambrose/Cena and say 'baseless Cena hate' whilst clearly being very wound up. If Cena's your guy, it's cool, but just argue against the points raised in the thread rather than outright ignoring of discussion. I'm ignoring the discussion because some of the discussion has absolutely nothing to do with why Cena should be pissed. People are saying "f*** you Cena for being pissed and stealing Ambrose's feud" despite it being LOGICAL for him to be pissed at Rollins. People don't care about logic, they like who they like and want to see them succeed, but will complain about logic when they see it fit for their own opinions. If someone wants to give me a storyline reason for why Cena shouldn't be pissed at Rollins then be my guest, but no one's given one outside of he should be pissed at Lesnar too
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 1, 2014 21:36:30 GMT -5
I don't know how you can read the first few pages of the thread which back up points re: comparative heat & dislike of Rollins between Ambrose/Cena and say 'baseless Cena hate' whilst clearly being very wound up. If Cena's your guy, it's cool, but just argue against the points raised in the thread rather than outright ignoring of discussion. I'm ignoring the discussion because some of the discussion has absolutely nothing to do with why Cena should be pissed. People are saying "f*** you Cena for being pissed and stealing Ambrose's feud" despite it being LOGICAL for him to be pissed at Rollins. People don't care about logic, they like who they like and want to see them succeed, but will complain about logic when they see it fit for their own opinions. If someone wants to give me a storyline reason for why Cena shouldn't be pissed at Rollins then be my guest, but no one's given one outside of he should be pissed at Lesnar too First, your attitude is getting real bad so take a step back. Now, logic would be getting a shot at the World Champ he just beat in the Cell so he can finally get his title back. Logic would be assisting Ambrose in getting his hands on Rollins so Cena gets his revenge and doesn't have to worry about Rollins come HIAC. Logic would be anything but Cena's booking.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 1, 2014 21:38:59 GMT -5
I'm ignoring the discussion because some of the discussion has absolutely nothing to do with why Cena should be pissed. People are saying "f*** you Cena for being pissed and stealing Ambrose's feud" despite it being LOGICAL for him to be pissed at Rollins. People don't care about logic, they like who they like and want to see them succeed, but will complain about logic when they see it fit for their own opinions. If someone wants to give me a storyline reason for why Cena shouldn't be pissed at Rollins then be my guest, but no one's given one outside of he should be pissed at Lesnar too First, your attitude is getting real bad so take a step back. Now, logic would be getting a shot at the World Champ he just beat in the Cell so he can finally get his title back. Logic would be assisting Ambrose in getting his hands on Rollins so Cena gets his revenge and doesn't have to worry about Rollins come HIAC. Logic would be anything but Cena's booking. Lesnar's clearly not showing up though and while he should want his shot at Lesnar, it seems clear that Lesnar's probably not wrestling at HIAC. So he could sit around be mad at Lesnar who won't show up, or he can beat the guy up that's there who's equally, if not more to blame.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Oct 1, 2014 21:44:30 GMT -5
First, your attitude is getting real bad so take a step back. Now, logic would be getting a shot at the World Champ he just beat in the Cell so he can finally get his title back. Logic would be assisting Ambrose in getting his hands on Rollins so Cena gets his revenge and doesn't have to worry about Rollins come HIAC. Logic would be anything but Cena's booking. Lesnar's clearly not showing up though and while he should want his shot at Lesnar, it seems clear that Lesnar's probably not wrestling at HIAC. So he could sit around be mad at Lesnar who won't show up, or he can beat the guy up that's there who's equally, if not more to blame. Or they could build on that. Have Cena demand his match and be denied constantly only for John to get involved in and be an outside figure to logical the Dean/Seth match at HIAC that doesn't wrestle but makes sure Seth gets what he deserves instead of ignoring everything and shoving Cena right into the middle of something that has been building for months but stands a good chance of not getting the payoff it deserves because of this stupidity. Cena can still get his revenge, you build on him beating Brock Lesnar but being screwed and you don't ruin something months in the making.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 21:44:50 GMT -5
Maybe if we actually had a heel commentator when it came to Cena, somebody on television would point out that Cena has a personal vendetta against the entire idea of MITB...considering that's the one thing thing that constantly bites him in the ass and the one thing that couldn't benefit him when he used it.
But yeah. I have to agree. John Cena technically holds another victory over BUUURRRRROCK LESSSSNAR. Just on that alone, Cena's got a right to demand another match, as much as the idea make my brain want to leak out of my ears and shlorp away out of protest...
If he's got no right to another rematch (which would then make me wonder why in the shit they didn't have Lesnar win again) have Cena gun for Rollins' briefcase so he can use it to make Lesnar face him again.
Cena getting mad at everyone except the person he should be isn't anything new. Hell, even when ADR cashed in, John Cena actually had more reason to want to kick Hunner's ass. Hunner was the one who inserted himself into the Punk/Cena match and making it all about him despite neither wanting him there...AND Hunner admitted to botching the result.
Especially considering the only stated reason Hunner put himself in it was so the result wouldn't get botched.
But whatever...I'm not going to agree this Cena stuff is logical. I am gonna say this Cena getting mad like this is consistent. All someone needs to say is that he hates MITB, explain why, and that'd be fine. Otherwise, all we've got is Cena once again blowing his stack over some shit he really should be expecting to happen by now.
It comes off as kinda silly to me.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 1, 2014 22:07:41 GMT -5
Because what would make logical sense would be for him to demand another match with Brock in an environment where there's no possibility of that happening again. If the title is what he's mad about, he should be going after the titleholder. He can be angry& even attack Seth, but it shouldn't be an end forl in itself. It's not hypocrisy to want motivations to make sense. It's blatant f***ing hypocrisy when people bitch and moan CONSTANTLY about how Cena just shrugs stuff off like it's no big deal, and then the ONE time he's actually pissed at someone they say "Wow Cena stop being a bitch and get over it" It's clear baseless Cena hate where people who don't like the guy will contradict themselves in any way just to trash the guy and it doesn't make sense No it isn't when they give justifiable reasons for their problems with the storyline. Plug ANY guy in there, and the story still would be poorly written. I don't care if it's somebody like Daniel Bryan--if the story they pushed was "he almost beat the champion, if not for interference", then the character's goal should be proving he can beat the champion. It's not Cena hate, or blatant f***ing hypocrisy it's stuff being poorly f***ing constructed hate. Dismissing arguments you don't agree with under the blanket of 'hate' or accusations of hypocrisy doesn't actually invalidate the argument.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Oct 1, 2014 22:40:38 GMT -5
It's blatant f***ing hypocrisy when people bitch and moan CONSTANTLY about how Cena just shrugs stuff off like it's no big deal, and then the ONE time he's actually pissed at someone they say "Wow Cena stop being a bitch and get over it" It's clear baseless Cena hate where people who don't like the guy will contradict themselves in any way just to trash the guy and it doesn't make sense No it isn't when they give justifiable reasons for their problems with the storyline. Plug ANY guy in there, and the story still would be poorly written. I don't care if it's somebody like Daniel Bryan--if the story they pushed was "he almost beat the champion, if not for interference", then the character's goal should be proving he can beat the champion. It's not Cena hate, or blatant f***ing hypocrisy it's stuff being poorly f***ing constructed hate. Dismissing arguments you don't agree with under the blanket of 'hate' or accusations of hypocrisy doesn't actually invalidate the argument. It's not an argument though when people try to dismiss something as illogical because they don't like the fact that it's taking away from another feud. People are trying to act like Cena shouldn't be pissed at Rollins at all, despite the fact that it makes perfect sense for him to be mad at him. And the reason why I call out this hypocrisy is because time and time again certain guys like Punk NEVER get called out on being assholes, but the second Cena or Sheamus or The Miz (when he was face) does something there's always tons of people complaining about how they're supposed to be faces But if you want a real world example to explain this: Imagine you're in a big bowling tournament and you made it to the finals. Your opponent is beating you but if you get a strike on the last frame, you win the tournament. As you're about to bowl your last ball, some guy comes up to you and shoves you, causing you to throw a gutter ball and lose. I can guarantee you your reaction would be "I'd have had it if not for that asshole" which is what Cena has now. Yeah Lesnar still has the title, but he's not around for one and for two, Rollins took away Cena's moment so he has to pay first.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 22:50:57 GMT -5
No it isn't when they give justifiable reasons for their problems with the storyline. Plug ANY guy in there, and the story still would be poorly written. I don't care if it's somebody like Daniel Bryan--if the story they pushed was "he almost beat the champion, if not for interference", then the character's goal should be proving he can beat the champion. It's not Cena hate, or blatant f***ing hypocrisy it's stuff being poorly f***ing constructed hate. Dismissing arguments you don't agree with under the blanket of 'hate' or accusations of hypocrisy doesn't actually invalidate the argument. It's not an argument though when people try to dismiss something as illogical because they don't like the fact that it's taking away from another feud. People are trying to act like Cena shouldn't be pissed at Rollins at all, despite the fact that it makes perfect sense for him to be mad at him. And the reason why I call out this hypocrisy is because time and time again certain guys like Punk NEVER get called out on being assholes, but the second Cena or Sheamus or The Miz (when he was face) does something there's always tons of people complaining about how they're supposed to be faces But if you want a real world example to explain this: Imagine you're in a big bowling tournament and you made it to the finals. Your opponent is beating you but if you get a strike on the last frame, you win the tournament. As you're about to bowl your last ball, some guy comes up to you and shoves you, causing you to throw a gutter ball and lose. I can guarantee you your reaction would be "I'd have had it if not for that asshole" which is what Cena has now. Yeah Lesnar still has the title, but he's not around for one and for two, Rollins took away Cena's moment so he has to pay first. As someone who's posted up a ton of posts over CM Punk and Ziggler being embarrassing jerks in kayfabe despite me being big fans of them, I'm calling your bluff. Many others have done the same as me too. And a lot of people agreed/discussed with me over those things, it's okay to admit that sometimes emotion overrides logical discussions. Honestly, no one will judge negatively over it. Cena is one of THE stars of the show, so he's on screen more, so he gets picked apart more as he shows more inconsistency than anyone else. Edge/Punk and such were inconsistent jerks a lot of the time too. Hell, we regularly have threads which have a go at Hogan for being a tool back in the day. It's not a C-O-N...spiracy against Cena on this board.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Oct 1, 2014 22:57:28 GMT -5
No it isn't when they give justifiable reasons for their problems with the storyline. Plug ANY guy in there, and the story still would be poorly written. I don't care if it's somebody like Daniel Bryan--if the story they pushed was "he almost beat the champion, if not for interference", then the character's goal should be proving he can beat the champion. It's not Cena hate, or blatant f***ing hypocrisy it's stuff being poorly f***ing constructed hate. Dismissing arguments you don't agree with under the blanket of 'hate' or accusations of hypocrisy doesn't actually invalidate the argument. It's not an argument though when people try to dismiss something as illogical because they don't like the fact that it's taking away from another feud. People are trying to act like Cena shouldn't be pissed at Rollins at all, despite the fact that it makes perfect sense for him to be mad at him. And the reason why I call out this hypocrisy is because time and time again certain guys like Punk NEVER get called out on being assholes, but the second Cena or Sheamus or The Miz (when he was face) does something there's always tons of people complaining about how they're supposed to be faces But if you want a real world example to explain this: Imagine you're in a big bowling tournament and you made it to the finals. Your opponent is beating you but if you get a strike on the last frame, you win the tournament. As you're about to bowl your last ball, some guy comes up to you and shoves you, causing you to throw a gutter ball and lose. I can guarantee you your reaction would be "I'd have had it if not for that asshole" which is what Cena has now. Which would be fine except for the fact that in the next aisle over, there's another guy, who just got his head crushed onto a pile of bowling bowls by that same guy who ruined the game, his best friend, almost killing that guy, and now we're supposed to act like the complete insignificance of that first idiot's bowling match somehow is equal to the latter guy's trauma and impending quest for retribution. First bowler has a right to be angry, sure. But he should be content to let the guy with the real actual problem deal with his MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT AND RELATABLE ISSUE and just get back to bowling another championship game that he'll just gifted anyway since the entire league's built around him. To paraphrase Junior Soprano, John Cena is like a woman with a Virginia ham under each arm, crying cause she hasn’t got any bread.
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