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Post by Red Impact on Nov 28, 2014 15:27:52 GMT -5
www.inquisitr.com/1640399/darren-wilson-nancy-grace/I know I didn't want to delve into this thread any further, and normally I'd never link to a ratings-hungry pundit, but it was interesting to me that Nancy Grace, who is so anti-criminal that she could have been the communications czar for an eastern European dictatorship, blasted Darren Wilson's testimony and the DA's work on this.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 28, 2014 20:24:55 GMT -5
You know you messed up when Nancy Grace is calling you out on it and she's right for once.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Nov 29, 2014 1:24:12 GMT -5
My opinion, since there are already several examples of political leanings on various pages of this thread... This is another example of a clearly political thread that gets allowed as long as you back "the right side." Clearly the kind of thread that's not allowed, but the lambastes that are "in the right direction" are overlooked but the antithesis of those remarks with the same amount of fervor would be a warning or thread lock or something. Not at all saying I disagree with *anyone* or *anything* I've seen posted here. But I'm just saying it's a trend where this sort of thing goes on and on and political emotion is allowed as long as the side you're seemingly *supposed* to support gets backed. #CMPunk Kudos to those able to keep it centered and not use it as a platform. I don't want to be totally sour and overlook those. (Insert "I have no idea what you're seeing here that's so rule-breaking" comment from a worked up non-mod in 5...4...3...2... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Again, purpose of this post is to comment on what's allowed vs what isn't and NOT a disagreement with any previous opinions or posts. And for the record, mods should be commended overall and do way better than I ever could. This is just one area I respectfully chose to call attention. Doesn't mean I don't think they do a good job in most other areas.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Nov 29, 2014 3:22:04 GMT -5
^ We have a report feature, feel free to use it on those kinds of things. Every report is seen and reviewed by nearly all active staff. Balance isn't always easy, but FAN needs to try as hard as possible to achieve it no matter the issue. Help is always appreciated. Now I'm not saying everything reported is acted upon, but EVERYTHING is discussed at the least.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 29, 2014 3:51:21 GMT -5
Surprised at Nancy Grace
Normally I would have thought she'd be mad that Brown was only hit six times.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Nov 29, 2014 23:28:12 GMT -5
^ We have a report feature, feel free to use it on those kinds of things. Every report is seen and reviewed by nearly all active staff. Balance isn't always easy, but FAN needs to try as hard as possible to achieve it no matter the issue. Help is always appreciated. Now I'm not saying everything reported is acted upon, but EVERYTHING is discussed at the least. A five-star response. Thanks, Cornfed.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 1, 2014 18:21:52 GMT -5
I got to tell you, I think an even bigger shitstorm could be about to hit regarding the shooting of the 12 year old in Cleveland. I just saw the footage from a surveillance camera at the park. While the kid was pointing a toy gun at people in a manner that it was not outrageous for the cops to get called, the callers stressed that they thought the gun was a toy and that the kid was indeed a kid. The footage showed the cops zooming up in their patrol car and it looked as though the kid went down almost the same instant that the car stopped, almost as though the cop that shot him shot him from within the car either as they were stopping or the instant they stopped. They then, after being able to see that the kid was a kid and that the gun was a toy, first aid was not attempted until other law enforcement officers, including a local FBI agent, showed up at the scene minutes later.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Dec 1, 2014 18:55:01 GMT -5
My opinion, since there are already several examples of political leanings on various pages of this thread... This is another example of a clearly political thread that gets allowed as long as you back "the right side." Clearly the kind of thread that's not allowed, but the lambastes that are "in the right direction" are overlooked but the antithesis of those remarks with the same amount of fervor would be a warning or thread lock or something. Not at all saying I disagree with *anyone* or *anything* I've seen posted here. But I'm just saying it's a trend where this sort of thing goes on and on and political emotion is allowed as long as the side you're seemingly *supposed* to support gets backed. #CMPunk Kudos to those able to keep it centered and not use it as a platform. I don't want to be totally sour and overlook those. (Insert "I have no idea what you're seeing here that's so rule-breaking" comment from a worked up non-mod in 5...4...3...2... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Again, purpose of this post is to comment on what's allowed vs what isn't and NOT a disagreement with any previous opinions or posts. And for the record, mods should be commended overall and do way better than I ever could. This is just one area I respectfully chose to call attention. Doesn't mean I don't think they do a good job in most other areas. Well it's always been established that political threads ARE allowed if it's an important event that just can't be avoided. It's the same reason why there's always a thread for U.S. presidential elections. In fact, the mods specified this early on in the thread. I even remember we had a thread about the previous Pope stepping down which was a political AND religious thread and once again, it was allowed because it was a major event that couldn't be ignored. And considering both sides have been represented and neither has been repressed, I am not sure how it's supposedly being allowed because it's supporting the "right" side. So basically, that's how things have always worked so I don't see what's so shocking about it still working the same way. I got to tell you, I think an even bigger shitstorm could be about to hit regarding the shooting of the 12 year old in Cleveland. I just saw the footage from a surveillance camera at the park. While the kid was pointing a toy gun at people in a manner that it was not outrageous for the cops to get called, the callers stressed that they thought the gun was a toy and that the kid was indeed a kid. The footage showed the cops zooming up in their patrol car and it looked as though the kid went down almost the same instant that the car stopped, almost as though the cop that shot him shot him from within the car either as they were stopping or the instant they stopped. They then, after being able to see that the kid was a kid and that the gun was a toy, first aid was not attempted until other law enforcement officers, including a local FBI agent, showed up at the scene minutes later. Oh for f***'s sake.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 1, 2014 19:42:28 GMT -5
What happened in Ferguson does transcend your typical liberal-conservative political polarization. Racism is bipartisan, unfortunately.
I do think this thread does tread political water, but I see the conversation being mostly about social constructs and prejudices involved with those constructs rather than people supporting political talking points. Though maybe the mods have deleted the more testy, politically oriented posts and I didn't notice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 19:50:49 GMT -5
I got to tell you, I think an even bigger shitstorm could be about to hit regarding the shooting of the 12 year old in Cleveland. I just saw the footage from a surveillance camera at the park. While the kid was pointing a toy gun at people in a manner that it was not outrageous for the cops to get called, the callers stressed that they thought the gun was a toy and that the kid was indeed a kid. The footage showed the cops zooming up in their patrol car and it looked as though the kid went down almost the same instant that the car stopped, almost as though the cop that shot him shot him from within the car either as they were stopping or the instant they stopped. They then, after being able to see that the kid was a kid and that the gun was a toy, first aid was not attempted until other law enforcement officers, including a local FBI agent, showed up at the scene minutes later. And the thing is... There's nothing to find on the kid to demonize him. HE WAS ****ING 12 YEARS OLD. So you know what the spin is now? It's been focusing on his parents. Prodding into his dad's issues. Talking about how his neighborhood is. ANYTHING to justify that this kid deserved to die because with all those "issues" he was bound to turn out to be a criminal anyway. Like I said earlier, we're going to have plenty of instances to talk about this... And keep your eye on the ever-changing police reports, I've already been seeing the spin being that the kid drew his toy gun on the cop or that the kid was sitting with a group....
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 1, 2014 20:24:51 GMT -5
I got to tell you, I think an even bigger shitstorm could be about to hit regarding the shooting of the 12 year old in Cleveland. I just saw the footage from a surveillance camera at the park. While the kid was pointing a toy gun at people in a manner that it was not outrageous for the cops to get called, the callers stressed that they thought the gun was a toy and that the kid was indeed a kid. The footage showed the cops zooming up in their patrol car and it looked as though the kid went down almost the same instant that the car stopped, almost as though the cop that shot him shot him from within the car either as they were stopping or the instant they stopped. They then, after being able to see that the kid was a kid and that the gun was a toy, first aid was not attempted until other law enforcement officers, including a local FBI agent, showed up at the scene minutes later. And the thing is... There's nothing to find on the kid to demonize him. HE WAS ****ING 12 YEARS OLD. So you know what the spin is now? It's been focusing on his parents. Prodding into his dad's issues. Talking about how his neighborhood is. ANYTHING to justify that this kid deserved to die because with all those "issues" he was bound to turn out to be a criminal anyway. Like I said earlier, we're going to have plenty of instances to talk about this... And keep your eye on the ever-changing police reports, I've already been seeing the spin being that the kid drew his toy gun on the cop or that the kid was sitting with a group.... The police did not say that he was in a group, did they? The video showed the kid all by himself at the playground for about 10 minutes (on camera) and definitely the only person sitting in that picnic area when the cops screeched up and shot him dead. There was absolutely no chance for him to respond to any commands because there was no time between arrival and shots fired for any "Hands up!" orders to be made. Considering that Ohio is an open carry state we have plenty of examples of white pinheads actually wandering the streets carrying real guns and the cops' response in those instances isn't to come in firing instantly. This isn't the first example of cops coming across black people carrying airsoft guns getting shot without questions or warnings in open carry states while white people with real assault rifles walk into restaurants and shopping centers. I do recall reports said that the cop claimed that the kid was about 20 when they called in the shooting. Hopefully the cops aren't actually trying to assassinate this kid's reputation the same way that the St. Louis police did Michael Brown and that the character assassination that has occurred was simply some of the media trying to justify this senseless shooting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 20:49:41 GMT -5
That video of the cops killing Tamir Price is rough. I mean, they drove right up next to him, which I've never seen cops do to someone they believe was armed. They usually put some distance between them and use the car for cover, especially since the kid was basically by himself with no one else seemingly around.
I hope the Cleveland PD don't try some bull with this one.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 1, 2014 20:59:26 GMT -5
That video of the cops killing Tamir Price is rough. I mean, they drove right up next to him, which I've never seen cops do to someone they believe was armed. They usually put some distance between them and use the car for cover, especially since the kid was basically by himself with no one else seemingly around. I hope the St Louis PD don't try some bull with this one. That shooting happened in Cleveland, Ohio.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 20:59:47 GMT -5
The police did not say that he was in a group, did they? The video showed the kid all by himself at the playground for about 10 minutes (on camera) and definitely the only person sitting in that picnic area when the cops screeched up and shot him dead. There was absolutely no chance for him to respond to any commands because there was no time between arrival and shots fired for any "Hands up!" orders to be made. Considering that Ohio is an open carry state we have plenty of examples of white pinheads actually wandering the streets carrying real guns and the cops' response in those instances isn't to come in firing instantly. This isn't the first example of cops coming across black people carrying airsoft guns getting shot without questions or warnings in open carry states while white people with real assault rifles walk into restaurants and shopping centers. I do recall reports said that the cop claimed that the kid was about 20 when they called in the shooting. Hopefully the cops aren't actually trying to assassinate this kid's reputation the same way that the St. Louis police did Michael Brown and that the character assassination that has occurred was simply some of the media trying to justify this senseless shooting. They surely are trying to say he was in a group, though that story probably isn't going to stick just because the video is still floating around. If that's the narrative they really want to push, they'll likely just say whoever was with the kid ran off before the cops got there. What's the worse that could happen? The person who even called 911 was fairly sure (and said to the 911 operator) that the gun was likely a fake and the cop claimed the kid was 20 or so after he shot him. It's the same thing that was done with Trayvon Martin, it's the same thing that was attempted with Reneisha McBride, it's the same thing that was done with Mike Brown. It's just that since there literally isn't anything to put the 12-year-old kid on trial for, it'll be done indirectly by smearing the parents and the neighborhood.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 21:02:05 GMT -5
That video of the cops killing Tamir Price is rough. I mean, they drove right up next to him, which I've never seen cops do to someone they believe was armed. They usually put some distance between them and use the car for cover, especially since the kid was basically by himself with no one else seemingly around. I hope the St Louis PD don't try some bull with this one. That shooting happened in Cleveland, Ohio. Haha, nice catch. You can see where my mind was at when I was typing that one.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 1, 2014 22:24:56 GMT -5
The Tamir Price footage is insanely damning on the police response, and highly disturbing to watch. The word that came out when it first happened was that the dispatcher hadn't told the cops any details; in other words, that dispatch didn't tell them that the 911 caller had clearly said the person appeared to be a kid and appeared to have a toy gun.
Yet that does nothing to excuse the response. The response was to pull up DIRECTLY NEXT TO the kid, who wasn't pointing the gun at anybody at that time, and immediately open fire; any instructions given by the cops clearly could not have been given before they exited the car.
This happened with a crazed man in Ferguson not long after the Brown shooting; he was walking around with a knife, clearly presenting a problem, and the cops called in pulled up nearly right next to him, the guy took about a step or so toward them, and they dropped him immediately.
Obviously, in that charged situation and when dealing with a guy who's armed, you do expect cops to be pretty defensive...but this is really a problem of procedure. This is an incredibly strange way to handle potentially dangerous people; a hostage/active gunman situation, maybe, but nothing like these.
The famous juxtaposition on this was when British cops (no weapons on them) followed procedure to take down a lunatic with a huge blade. Nobody died.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 2, 2014 0:26:44 GMT -5
The best part is the Cleveland police chief stating that the cop told Tamir Rice to put his hands up 3 times through the window.
In that short amount of time? There were 2 seconds in between the cruiser pulling up and the shots being fired. Unless this guy is an auctioneer in his spare time, I can't help but question that explanation.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 2, 2014 0:40:49 GMT -5
The Tamir Price footage is insanely damning on the police response, and highly disturbing to watch. The word that came out when it first happened was that the dispatcher hadn't told the cops any details; in other words, that dispatch didn't tell them that the 911 caller had clearly said the person appeared to be a kid and appeared to have a toy gun. That part I believe. The first time that I called the cops on my stepson was after I caught him trying to break in after we had kicked him out once again. I clearly explained to the dispatcher that all I wanted was for the cops to make my stepson leave and that I did not want him arrested or harmed in any way. The dispatcher only mentioned the "attempted break-in" part to the cops and they showed up with guns drawn. Fortunately, he had gotten into the garage by the time they showed up and did not get shot. The next time I called on him I made damned sure to stress the whole "no guns needed" part.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 3, 2014 16:58:47 GMT -5
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Post by Fauxnaki on Dec 3, 2014 17:09:03 GMT -5
while i thought the cops made the right decision on mike brown and that 12 year old kid this i think the cops were majorly in the wrong here
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