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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Dec 3, 2014 17:09:09 GMT -5
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 3, 2014 17:11:36 GMT -5
while i thought the cops made the right decision on mike brown and that 12 year old kid this i think the cops were majorly in the wrong here The cop made the right decision with the 12 year old. I'm interested in finding out why.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Dec 3, 2014 17:15:25 GMT -5
while i thought the cops made the right decision on mike brown and that 12 year old kid this i think the cops were majorly in the wrong here I'm really curious on the 12 year old here. Why were they in the right?
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 3, 2014 17:16:34 GMT -5
I just...what am I missing?
Is there some kind of smoking gun about the whole Eric Gardner case that I just am not seeing. I mean, the death was attributed as a homicide by the city medical examiner's office, and the chokehold is against police policy. Yet, no charges will be filed.
What am I missing? I'd love to hear it.
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Post by Fauxnaki on Dec 3, 2014 17:19:35 GMT -5
while i thought the cops made the right decision on mike brown and that 12 year old kid this i think the cops were majorly in the wrong here The cop made the right decision with the 12 year old. I'm interested in finding out why. have you seen the replica gun? you point that at a cop in usa your gonna get shot they are authorised to shoot in life threating situations thats the law regardless of age. Granted i think in 2014 there must be a non lethal weapon we could use for cops? but those are the laws in place so the policeman who shot him was in the current justice system not suilty
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Dec 3, 2014 17:23:20 GMT -5
The cop made the right decision with the 12 year old. I'm interested in finding out why. have you seen the replica gun? you point that at a cop in usa your gonna get shot they are authorised to shoot in life threating situations thats the law regardless of age. Granted i think in 2014 there must be a non lethal weapon we could use for cops? but those are the laws in place so the policeman who shot him was in the current justice system not suilty The dude went right up to him and shot him right away. It might as well have been a drive-by shooting. Also, it wasn't a real gun (which kind of rules out any life-threatening situation), it was a kid and he apparently wasn't holding it in a threatening manner.
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Post by Fauxnaki on Dec 3, 2014 17:27:16 GMT -5
have you seen the replica gun? you point that at a cop in usa your gonna get shot they are authorised to shoot in life threating situations thats the law regardless of age. Granted i think in 2014 there must be a non lethal weapon we could use for cops? but those are the laws in place so the policeman who shot him was in the current justice system not suilty The dude went right up to him and shot him right away. It might as well have been a drive-by shooting. Also, it wasn't a real gun, it was a kid and he wasn't holding it in a threatening manner. from footage i saw it looks like he pointed the gun at them
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Dec 3, 2014 17:50:31 GMT -5
The dude went right up to him and shot him right away. It might as well have been a drive-by shooting. Also, it wasn't a real gun, it was a kid and he wasn't holding it in a threatening manner. from footage i saw it looks like he pointed the gun at them Alright, let's say for the sake of argument that he did. It's still a toy gun. Still a kid. Still no life-threatening situation. Cop still shot him without warning after coming right up to him, which no cop would do if they actually felt there was a threat. Cop still had no business being on duty. I'm sorry but no. Any way you slice it, IT'S NOT OKAY FOR POLICEMEN TO KILL CHILDREN. IT'S NOT OKAY FOR ANY HUMAN BEING TO KILL CHILDREN I can't believe that's something I have to explain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 17:51:17 GMT -5
The dude went right up to him and shot him right away. It might as well have been a drive-by shooting. Also, it wasn't a real gun, it was a kid and he wasn't holding it in a threatening manner. from footage i saw it looks like he pointed the gun at themNah, but seriously though... How many minutes did it take for this to happen?
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 3, 2014 18:15:58 GMT -5
The cop made the right decision with the 12 year old. I'm interested in finding out why. have you seen the replica gun? you point that at a cop in usa your gonna get shot they are authorised to shoot in life threating situations thats the law regardless of age. Granted i think in 2014 there must be a non lethal weapon we could use for cops? but those are the laws in place so the policeman who shot him was in the current justice system not suilty www.cbc.ca/news/world/tamir-rice-12-fatally-shot-by-cleveland-police-while-holding-toy-gun-1.2846326From reading the CBC story on it, it says he didn't point the gun at the cops. The life threatening situation it didn't seem to be. But then again, it's a black kid, so that's a life threatening situation in itself I guess. Basically what this case, and many others is the whole lethal force concept really needs to be brought into question, because it does seem like a life threatening situation is, look, it's a black kid so he might as well be a 10 foot 7 armed monster.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Dec 3, 2014 18:26:42 GMT -5
The dude went right up to him and shot him right away. It might as well have been a drive-by shooting. Also, it wasn't a real gun, it was a kid and he wasn't holding it in a threatening manner. from footage i saw it looks like he pointed the gun at them Weird, because the footage I saw, the cops raced up to him and shot him. I don't think they even gave him three seconds to react. Also the operators were saying it was a toy gun and he was a kid.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 18:53:30 GMT -5
from footage i saw it looks like he pointed the gun at them Weird, because the footage I saw, the cops raced up to him and shot him. I don't think they even gave him three seconds to react. Also the operators were saying it was a toy gun and he was a kid. Yeah, the local PD acknowledged that the kid didn't point the gun at them. Even THEY knew they couldn't sell that narrative with the footage out there.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 3, 2014 19:08:45 GMT -5
The dude went right up to him and shot him right away. It might as well have been a drive-by shooting. Also, it wasn't a real gun, it was a kid and he wasn't holding it in a threatening manner. from footage i saw it looks like he pointed the gun at them You and I saw completely different footage.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 3, 2014 19:47:25 GMT -5
I really think this warrants its own thread. I am at a complete and utter loss for words.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Dec 3, 2014 19:49:53 GMT -5
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 3, 2014 20:19:13 GMT -5
Upon first hearing the Tamir Rice story, prior to thee very damning video release, I understood the cops position. I own a few airsoft guns that look incredibly real, and pointed at 10-20 yards away it would be an understandable reaction to think it's a real gun and react accordingly. But holy mother of god, they executed that poor kid. They never gave him a chance to respond, they damn near ran him down with the cruiser, and shot him dead before exiting the vehicle. That was f***ing brutal
Slightly off topic (and really not trying to make light of the situation), but half way through that paragraph I started thinking that that I'd swear this story seemed very familiar before realizing that I was thinking of Reginald Veljohnson in Die Hard
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Post by Fauxnaki on Dec 4, 2014 7:44:17 GMT -5
have you seen the replica gun? you point that at a cop in usa your gonna get shot they are authorised to shoot in life threating situations thats the law regardless of age. Granted i think in 2014 there must be a non lethal weapon we could use for cops? but those are the laws in place so the policeman who shot him was in the current justice system not suilty www.cbc.ca/news/world/tamir-rice-12-fatally-shot-by-cleveland-police-while-holding-toy-gun-1.2846326From reading the CBC story on it, it says he didn't point the gun at the cops. The life threatening situation it didn't seem to be. But then again, it's a black kid, so that's a life threatening situation in itself I guess. Basically what this case, and many others is the whole lethal force concept really needs to be brought into question, because it does seem like a life threatening situation is, look, it's a black kid so he might as well be a 10 foot 7 armed monster. "Authorities said the boy was told to raise his hands and was shot when he pulled the pellet gun from his waistband" from the source you sent me if police tell you to raise your hand and you go for your gun your gonna get shot
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Post by RedSmile on Dec 4, 2014 8:09:44 GMT -5
I disagree with this part. Pellet guns are not toys, nor are they considered toys. That's why they don't have the high visibility orange markings that a toy would require.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 4, 2014 8:39:59 GMT -5
He was stupid to walk around pointing a realistic looking gun at people, especially a black kid whose parents really should have told him not to do shit like that given how trigger happy police are towards black males.
But then again, he was 12, and 12 year olds don't know shit. So I think the police could have waited more than 5 seconds before gunning him down.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 10:01:10 GMT -5
www.cbc.ca/news/world/tamir-rice-12-fatally-shot-by-cleveland-police-while-holding-toy-gun-1.2846326From reading the CBC story on it, it says he didn't point the gun at the cops. The life threatening situation it didn't seem to be. But then again, it's a black kid, so that's a life threatening situation in itself I guess. Basically what this case, and many others is the whole lethal force concept really needs to be brought into question, because it does seem like a life threatening situation is, look, it's a black kid so he might as well be a 10 foot 7 armed monster. "Authorities said the boy was told to raise his hands and was shot when he pulled the pellet gun from his waistband" from the source you sent me if police tell you to raise your hand and you go for your gun your gonna get shot I'd be cautious about taking that officer's word, from his previous employment in the City of Independence where he tried to be a cop previously. The actual report goes on to talk about how he feels "instructions are optional" and in the event of a situation where instructions will need to be followed, he will not react in the way instructed. They also imply that he'll "manipulate" his instructions to better fit his needs. This was the person who shot that kid.
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