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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2015 9:40:52 GMT -5
I like Cornette on screen sometimes, but I love Paul Heyman all the time.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 2, 2015 9:40:54 GMT -5
Prefer how? Like as a booker? Probably Heyman. I would probably trust Cornette more. I love to hear him talk. Most of his ideas for how wrestling should work are outdated or proven to be incorrect in today's climate, but iI always get the sense he's being true to who he is. I trust that he believes what he says. When Heyman talks, even in shoot stuff, I always get the sketchy used car salesman vibe. See I get the same vibe from Cornette, especially when he talks about people/companies since his story seems to change depending on who is paying him. Oh absolutely. Cornette's point of view relies heavily on who is paying him at the moment
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 2, 2015 10:13:57 GMT -5
If I had my own wrestling organisation, Heyman would be the first guy I'd call
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 2, 2015 12:04:30 GMT -5
I always thought Cornette was the better manager, but Heyman's current run with Brock and his recent run with Punk have put Heyman on equal footing with Cornette if not ahead of him. Heyman has given some of the best promos ever over the past few years.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 2, 2015 13:32:25 GMT -5
Both.
The biggest wasted opportunity in our business is, I feel, these two guys never figuring out how to work well together. They would have been a great compliment to one another - one supplying the innovative stuff while the other worked with it to make it all logical and flow well (and vice versa, with Cornette's old-school ideas being jazzed up a bit by Heyman).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 1:24:42 GMT -5
Cornette. Heyman is a great talent, but I hated hardcore wrestling and its legacy.
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Post by DragonMasterP on Jan 3, 2015 1:32:35 GMT -5
Cornette by default, mainly because I, for reasons I can't quite understand, don't like Heyman in any sort of way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 4:36:57 GMT -5
I didn't vote, because my answer is both. I loved ECW, SMW, and the versions of OVW under the direction of both of them. They have both made many great contributions to wrestling.
However, if the question is which guy in present day, I would have to go with Heyman, just because I've heard enough of Cornette burying everyone who has done him wrong over the years throughout assorted interviews & podcasts.
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Post by Captain2 on Jan 3, 2015 9:22:11 GMT -5
I really don't like Cornette after hearing comments he made about Velvet Sky in the past, offhandedly implying that she was loose. Now I'm not going to argue about whether or not its true but I just find it really skeevy for a guy who was in a position of authority in TNA to be talking about the sexual habits of the female talent online. Just kind of comes across like he's one of the gossipy types that I come across at work who'd take any shot at you they could.
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Post by arrx on Jan 3, 2015 14:29:36 GMT -5
Cornette. Heyman is a great talent, but I hated hardcore wrestling and its legacy. When people say this I take it they did not watch much ECW. ECW had the best Lucha Libre matches this side of Mexico, better technical wrestling then WCW or WWE had. ECW was the first time I saw Japanese Puro in a American Promotion. And it had some of the best promos of its day. Hardcore was the ECWs gimmick but it was much more than that.
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Post by lowlystockboy on Jan 3, 2015 15:03:02 GMT -5
Met Cornette at an ROH show and really didn't hit it off too well with him. He used antibacterial soap after shaking my hand (he may have done that with all fans but it still comes off snobbish to me). So even though I've never met him for the time being I'm a Paul Heyman guy 100% if for anything else back in the day when I met Tommy Dreamer he was super cool to talk to.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 3, 2015 15:09:24 GMT -5
Both. The biggest wasted opportunity in our business is, I feel, these two guys never figuring out how to work well together. They would have been a great compliment to one another - one supplying the innovative stuff while the other worked with it to make it all logical and flow well (and vice versa, with Cornette's old-school ideas being jazzed up a bit by Heyman). I remember the rumor everyone wanted to be true that, in 2002, Cornette was going to be brought in to be Raw's head writer during Heyman's run on Smackdown as part of Vince's efforts to simulate real competition.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jan 3, 2015 17:05:26 GMT -5
HEYMAN all the frikking way!!! cornette i just wanted to beat up i PRAYED for the day when the two of them would square up and heyman smacked cornettre around and stuck that STUUUUUUUPID BLOODY TENNIS RACKET up where the sun doth not shine
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Post by Fuji's racist salt on Jan 3, 2015 19:07:27 GMT -5
I'm hardcore and traditional,I'll take em both!
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 3, 2015 19:11:51 GMT -5
Cornette. Heyman is a great talent, but I hated hardcore wrestling and its legacy. When people say this I take it they did not watch much ECW. ECW had the best Lucha Libre matches this side of Mexico, better technical wrestling then WCW or WWE had. ECW was the first time I saw Japanese Puro in a American Promotion. And it had some of the best promos of its day. Hardcore was the ECWs gimmick but it was much more than that. True, but the hardcore style it popularised ultimately damaged wrestling in the long term IMO by desensitising the audience to angles and spots that previously would have been shocking and dramatic.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 3, 2015 19:56:38 GMT -5
I'd prefer to have a drink and shoot the shit with Cornette. It would never be boring talking to him. Though that's not to say Heyman wouldn't be fun to be with.
However, I'd have to go with Heyman. If I owned a wrestling company I'd try my hardest to get him on board because he adapts to the changes in the business much better than Cornette. Jim Cornette still seems to think booking Mid-South for a nationally televised company in 2015 is a good idea.
Though I'd prefer to have Bernie Madoff handling my company's finances than either of them.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jan 3, 2015 19:59:46 GMT -5
Heyman by a mile. Cornette can go f*** himself as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 3, 2015 20:04:54 GMT -5
Easily Heyman. Not that Cornette couldn't talk, but I'd put Paul up there with Heenan and Blassie as far as the all-time great managers.
Plus Cornette's booking and presentation style is so mind-numbingly boring. Even with hardcore wrestling's controversial history, I'd still trust Heyman to push for something most wrestling fans in 2015 haven't seen yet.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 3, 2015 20:08:40 GMT -5
I dunno. Heyman is the better booker, I think, because he actually knows how to adapt with the times and the promotion that he's booking for. Cornette, for all his wrestling smarts, is stubborn and seems to only know how to book Southern-style promotions.
As for who I would actually work with? Neither. Heyman is a pathological liar and Cornette is a hot head that doesn't like to compromise.
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Post by Andy Martin on Jan 3, 2015 20:32:21 GMT -5
Heyman. Cornette needs a punch in the mouth. Well, several of them.
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