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Post by Starshine on Jan 6, 2015 5:45:45 GMT -5
This is something that really stood out to me in the hour of RAW I watched today. To preface this, I'm not a fan of the Ascension. I actually think they're pretty awful and don't expect them to last long as they are. They were easily the weakest part of NXT for the last year and a halfish and I'm glad they're not on that show anymore.
But with all that said, I think what happened with them tonight is the abosolute worst thing WWE could do. Firstly they have apromo comparing themselves to memorable monster tag teams of the past, which does nothing but remind us of how much better they were. But then the commentators completely bury them during the match. Talking about how they couldn't measure up to any of those teams. Now if they were a comedy or cocky gimmick team I could get behind that. But the way these guys are presented, they're supposed to be monsters, we're supposed to be impressed at how they demolish the teams in front of them. Yet at the same time we're seeing this, they're being completely buried by the company that's promoting them this way. On top of that they've only been around for a week.
What. In. The. f***.
This is absolutely one of the most head scratching decisions I can recall. For most other examples of bad booking you can argue the company just doesn't know any better. But these guys have been in NXT for a while under (mostly) the same gimmick and never had this reaction from the company. I don't understand it at all. Who the hell is this supposed to benefit? These guys are taking up time on TV, and they're being completely buried before they've even had a proper chance to make a name for themselves. I don't even particularly care for these guys, but I just feel awful for them. They don't deserve this. If they fail, let them fail on their own merits.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 6, 2015 5:48:05 GMT -5
This was always the fear, that once NXT guys and girls got to WWE, they would be subject to the same kind of Rifftrax commentary that blights WWE broadcasting. In times past, commentators would try to get the talent over. Now, they just mock and ridicule whatever happens to be on screen 90% of the time. It's TV designed to amuse Vince McMahon, rather than to promote talent as being worth investing in.
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Post by MAD TITAN on Jan 6, 2015 5:58:57 GMT -5
Unless they go out there on SmackDown or Raw next week and beat JBL down for his comments on them to prove a point.
That was unnecessary for them to say (not blaming the performers but rather the writers and Vince giving the green light on this promo).
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Jan 6, 2015 6:00:26 GMT -5
I agree it's odd. To me it mainly stood out as JBL burying them, like he buries lots of babyfaces, and it made me think does this mean they're supposed to be a babyface team, not heels?
Cole wasn't burying them though I think, and I forget what Booker said. And while I agree that you're right in how odd it is, to be honest, I myself actually found it really really funny and kind of smart how they roasted the whole random jobbers thing. Not a great idea for putting over The Ascension, but I dig stuff like that where it feels like it's actually acknowledging what every viewer is thinking and feels kind of clever and funny, in and of itself.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 6, 2015 6:12:07 GMT -5
Wasn't what the commentary team saying the very same things people here were saying about the Ascension? And let's also not fool our selves that the Ascension was some super great act in NXT and shit on the main roster. They are the same team just now with facepaint. I'm sensing WWE is trying to make them delusional heels with undeserved superiority complexes. But I know "#WWEruinseverything".
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 6, 2015 6:15:21 GMT -5
Wasn't what the commentary team saying the very same things people here were saying about the Ascension? And let's also not fool our selves that the Ascension was some super great act in NXT and shit on the main roster. They are the same team just now with facepaint. I'm sensing WWE is trying to make them delusional heels with undeserved superiority complexes. But I know "#WWEruinseverything". I hope it's actually going SOMEWHERE, but I don't know. Sometimes WWE seems to do things just to do them, or start plans and then immediately pull the rug out from under people when someone else wants their way, or Dunn and Vince tire of someone. WWE's had a real consistency problem in the last few years like that, though it's always happened to a degree. When you have so many writers and multiple bookers, along with one of the biggest rosters in wrestling at any given time, it's bound to happen. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 6, 2015 6:18:39 GMT -5
Wasn't what the commentary team saying the very same things people here were saying about the Ascension? And let's also not fool our selves that the Ascension was some super great act in NXT and shit on the main roster. They are the same team just now with facepaint. I'm sensing WWE is trying to make them delusional heels with undeserved superiority complexes. But I know "#WWEruinseverything". I hope it's actually going SOMEWHERE, but I don't know. Sometimes WWE seems to do things just to do them, or start plans and then immediately pull the rug out from under people when someone else wants their way, or Dunn and Vince tire of someone. WWE's had a real consistency problem in the last few years like that, though it's always happened to a degree. When you have so many writers and multiple bookers, along with one of the biggest rosters in wrestling at any given time, it's bound to happen. Who knows? People called their debut a bust last Monday. Maybe WWE thought the same thing and retooling them as heels. Which they should been. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 6:21:18 GMT -5
I'm sensing WWE is trying to make them delusional heels with undeserved superiority complexes. But I know "#WWEruinseverything". If that was the case then JBL should have been agreeing with them. That was the biggest problem. JBL, the heel commentator, was the one shitting on them the most. It makes sense for Cole or Booker to go "I think it's a bit early for this team, impressive as they have been, to start comparing themselves to such legendary teams", at which point JBL will go "Shut up Maggle! These guys dominated in NXT and I can guarantee you that they'll dominate on Raw". You have the face criticizing their attitude while the heel brings up the accomplishments that the attitude attributed to and the team comes out looking like credible heels. |
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Jan 6, 2015 6:21:42 GMT -5
With the way the Ascension got treated, i'm now fully prepared for "Adrian Neville: Mighty Mouse".
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Post by Professor Chaos on Jan 6, 2015 6:25:08 GMT -5
I dunno how they're supposed to be presented as anything strong on the main roster when they got their ass beat numerous times and ran out of NXT by Sin Cara and Calisto then Itami and Balor. Are the NXT Universe and WWE Universe supposed to be the same thing?
Getting promoted from NXT seems to be the modern day of equivalent of being jobbed out in WCW or WWF before making the switch. Makes no sence when it's all WWE now. Only one they got it right with was Paige.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 6, 2015 6:29:14 GMT -5
I'm sensing WWE is trying to make them delusional heels with undeserved superiority complexes. But I know "#WWEruinseverything". If that was the case then JBL should have been agreeing with them. That was the biggest problem. JBL, the heel commentator, was the one shitting on them the most. It makes sense for Cole or Booker to go "I think it's a bit early for this team, impressive as they have been, to start comparing themselves to such legendary teams", at which point JBL will go "Shut up Maggle! These guys dominated in NXT and I can guarantee you that they'll dominate on Raw". You have the face criticizing their attitude while the heel brings up the accomplishments that the attitude attributed to and the team comes out looking like credible heels. Because even heel loving JBL shits on things that are too hard for him to swallow. The old school bastard in JBL couldn't co-sign on them saying they were better than Demolition and the Road Warriors. Way too often you have people agreeing with the heels and taking away their heat. JBL isn't Heenan and Venutra when it comes to supporting the heels. |
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 6, 2015 7:08:04 GMT -5
Maybe they want the fans to rebel and get behind a team they seemingly don't give a crap about.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 6, 2015 7:51:16 GMT -5
Wasn't what the commentary team saying the very same things people here were saying about the Ascension? And let's also not fool our selves that the Ascension was some super great act in NXT and shit on the main roster. They are the same team just now with facepaint. I'm sensing WWE is trying to make them delusional heels with undeserved superiority complexes. But I know "#WWEruinseverything". Maybe they want the fans to rebel and get behind a team they seemingly don't give a crap about. If so, neither of these has a chance in hell of getting over. What we say here about the Ascension is besides the point. WWE's job is to get them over, not piss on them. If WWE doesn't like them, they shouldn't be on the roster at all. And yes, WWE usually does ruin everything. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 6, 2015 8:06:50 GMT -5
Wasn't what the commentary team saying the very same things people here were saying about the Ascension? And let's also not fool our selves that the Ascension was some super great act in NXT and shit on the main roster. They are the same team just now with facepaint. I'm sensing WWE is trying to make them delusional heels with undeserved superiority complexes. But I know "#WWEruinseverything". Maybe they want the fans to rebel and get behind a team they seemingly don't give a crap about. If so, neither of these has a chance in hell of getting over. What we say here about the Ascension is besides the point. WWE's job is to get them over, not piss on them. If WWE doesn't like them, they shouldn't be on the roster at all. And yes, WWE usually does ruin everything. People declare anything that isn't greeted with a rabid fan response the first time it debuts as not a success. The Ascension is already a gimmick that going to struggle on the main roster. WWE added a new hat in hopes it catches on with the crowd because grunting "YEAH!" is going to have a tough time working outside the Full Sail Arena. Going meta with them might be the thing that helps them. Because this is the same damn gimmick that it was in NXT minus the face paint and throwback promos. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 6, 2015 8:11:59 GMT -5
If so, neither of these has a chance in hell of getting over. What we say here about the Ascension is besides the point. WWE's job is to get them over, not piss on them. If WWE doesn't like them, they shouldn't be on the roster at all. And yes, WWE usually does ruin everything. People declare anything that isn't greeted with a rabid fan response the first time it debuts as not a success. The Ascension is already a gimmick that going to struggle on the main roster. WWE added a new hat in hopes it catches on with the crowd because grunting "YEAH!" is going to have a tough time working outside the Full Sail Arena. Going meta with them might be the thing that helps them. Because this is the same damn gimmick that it was in NXT minus the face paint and throwback promos. Meta won't work. Whenever anyone suggests something like "hey, maybe WWE are going for....(some convoluted, logic-defying, uber smarkish idea)?" it's a non-starter. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 6, 2015 8:14:06 GMT -5
People declare anything that isn't greeted with a rabid fan response the first time it debuts as not a success. The Ascension is already a gimmick that going to struggle on the main roster. WWE added a new hat in hopes it catches on with the crowd because grunting "YEAH!" is going to have a tough time working outside the Full Sail Arena. Going meta with them might be the thing that helps them. Because this is the same damn gimmick that it was in NXT minus the face paint and throwback promos. Meta won't work. Whenever anyone suggests something like "hey, maybe WWE are going for....(some convoluted, logic-defying, uber smarkish idea)?" it's a non-starter. Meta seems to work in the Full Sail Arena and beyond. For example: Bo Dallas. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 6, 2015 8:17:34 GMT -5
Meta won't work. Whenever anyone suggests something like "hey, maybe WWE are going for....(some convoluted, logic-defying, uber smarkish idea)?" it's a non-starter. Meta seems to work in the Full Sail Arena and beyond. For example: Bo Dallas. Bo got over because he was an oblivious heel who thought he was popular. It's nothing new. Jericho used to do it all the time, blowing kisses to "his fans" and thanking them for their applause when they were clearly booing him. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 6, 2015 8:22:46 GMT -5
Meta seems to work in the Full Sail Arena and beyond. For example: Bo Dallas. Bo got over because he was an oblivious heel who thought he was popular. It's nothing new. Jericho used to do it all the time, blowing kisses to "his fans" and thanking them for their applause when they were clearly booing him. That is still meta. A delusional heel who thinks he's popular who becomes popular because of that. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 6, 2015 8:35:38 GMT -5
Bo got over because he was an oblivious heel who thought he was popular. It's nothing new. Jericho used to do it all the time, blowing kisses to "his fans" and thanking them for their applause when they were clearly booing him. That is still meta. A delusional heel who thinks he's popular who becomes popular because of that. It's not meta. It's just an archetypal wrestling character that happens to catch on with a crowd because they find it entertaining. That's all. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 6, 2015 8:39:26 GMT -5
That is still meta. A delusional heel who thinks he's popular who becomes popular because of that. It's not meta. It's just an archetypal wrestling character that happens to catch on with a crowd because they find it entertaining. That's all. Not matter how much you try to spin it, it's still meta. |
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