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Post by Glitch on Jan 27, 2015 18:15:04 GMT -5
The excuse of "they could have aired anything" doesn't fly. Anything else would have tanked their ratings. The majority of people watching Raw are expecting a live show. A clip show or some documentary would have disappointed a lot of viewers. If they showed an episode of NXT, there would have been lots of complaints of seeing wrestlers who aren't they're favorites.
If it hadn't been the rumble shown, people would have been bitching about having to pay their cable/satellite bill every month, and not getting the show that they always watch. There's no way wwe could have won either way.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 27, 2015 18:17:32 GMT -5
I can't imagine paying full price for a ppv since they got so outrageous.
Not knocking the OP; I just can't imagine a scenario where I'd ever do that again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 18:48:23 GMT -5
Why are they entitled to a refund though? THEY GOT WHAT THEY PAID FOR. I mean, it sucked, but it's what they paid for... Someone getting something cheaper after you paid full price doesn't mean you deserve money back. Your original purchase was there. This is blatantly people trying to get their money back because the show sucked and/or because they think they can get something for nothing, nothing more. They have every right to be upset, but absolutely no "right" to get their money back. I'm all for them trying, and most probably will get something, but all these people saying they "deserve" a refund are being jackasses. But part of what they paid for is the right to watch a program that is not on regular television. You are paying for the privilege of viewing the event when others can't. If things were equal, they could get the money back from the WWE in a partial refund, but I don't know how that can happen. Think about it this way; if the WWE had told people that the Rumble Main Events would be played for free the next night, how many people are plopping down the $55 dollars? I don't have to "think about it" your way. That's an incorrect way of thinking and isn't the way business works. (We won't even get into you saying Raw is on "regular TV"...) People paid for an item and received exactly what they paid for, anything else after the fact (including the price others paid for it on a later date) has no bearing on their purchase. The way to go about it is to not do business with them again if you're not happy with your purchase, not trying to get your money back for a product that you used. Even all that being said there's still some HUGE differences between what people who paid for the live show saw and what people who paid less saw. It was 24 hours later (a HUGE deal with sporting events), it was half the show at best, and what we did see was heavily edited. Or, to put it in the metaphorical sense that everyone here loves: People are trying to get their money back for a dozen crappy donuts they bought and ate two days ago because they saw someone getting a half dozen day-olds for cheaper yesterday.
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Post by SinisterMinister on Jan 27, 2015 18:50:27 GMT -5
Excellent news, everyone! I called my cable company and explained the situation how less than 22 hours after I paid full price for the PPV over 50% of it was shown for free, and they offered me a full refund. I accepted of course. I was all ready for a fight but when I explained why I insisted on a full refund the representative said others have been calling "requesting refunds as well for this event"
I psyched myself up for the fight that you usually get with the cable company but it was surprisingly easy. I got the distinct feeling the representative was spending a decent amount of time on this during the day because a lot of people were home due to the storm and I guess they had the same idea as I did. I did not even have to play my trump card with the threats to leave and go with another service such as Verizon fiber. ( which I was fully ready to do anyway )
If anyone else was caught in my situation and got ripped off by the WWE I would STRONGLY encourage you to call who you ordered the PPV from and demand the refund. I went in hoping for even a partial refund after reading some of the negativity here on this thread and the result was far better than I expected.
The sad thing for the WWE is that I was going to order Fast Lane as my last traditional PPV at the full price. Thankfully, I can finally upgrade all of my services next month to current standards and will be able to order the WWE Network finally. The question is, will I order it now after this treatment? I intended to subscribe and just leave it going month after month thanks to my new job and pay level but this has really soured me on that idea. I might just stick their free shows and come in pay $9.99 and snipe Mania, then cancel right afterwards. I ordered WWE PPV's on and off for many years usually the big ones so I have been an ardent supporter of them over the years. I still think it's very shitty how the treated their customers regarding this situation, and getting the refund tells me the cable company is not happy either with it on some level.
So call them if you were in the same situation as me!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 18:59:58 GMT -5
Excellent news, everyone! I called my cable company and explained the situation how less than 22 hours after I paid full price for the PPV over 50% of it was shown for free, and they offered me a full refund. I accepted of course. I was all ready for a fight but when I explained why I insisted on a full refund the representative said others have been calling "requesting refunds as well for this event" I psyched myself up for the fight that you usually get with the cable company but it was surprisingly easy. I got the distinct feeling the representative was spending a decent amount of time on this during the day because a lot of people were home due to the storm and I guess they had the same idea as I did. I did not even have to play my trump card with the threats to leave and go with another service such as Verizon fiber. ( which I was fully ready to do anyway ) If anyone else was caught in my situation and got ripped off by the WWE I would STRONGLY encourage you to call who you ordered the PPV from and demand the refund. I went in hoping for even a partial refund after reading some of the negativity here on this thread and the result was far better than I expected. The sad thing for the WWE is that I was going to order Fast Lane as my last traditional PPV at the full price. Thankfully, I can finally upgrade all of my services next month to current standards and will be able to order the WWE Network finally. The question is, will I order it now after this treatment? I intended to subscribe and just leave it going month after month thanks to my new job and pay level but this has really soured me on that idea. I might just stick their free shows and come in pay $9.99 and snipe Mania, then cancel right afterwards. I ordered WWE PPV's on and off for many years usually the big ones so I have been an ardent supporter of them over the years. I still think it's very shitty how the treated their customers regarding this situation, and getting the refund tells me the cable company is not happy either with it on some level. So call them if you were in the same situation as me! You're situation is: you paid for something, got what you paid for, and decided to be a whiny bitch about it and get your money back just because you saw that someone else got something half as good a day later for the price of basic cable. I don't blame you for trying, but yeah... someone else having something doesn't take away it's value to you, no matter how much you paid for it. It's a digital transmission of men acting like they're beating the hell out of each other, not a collector's edition Elvis plate. Whether 100 people or 100,000 people purchased the same product it's still the same value to you. Everyone else in the world could have gotten it for free and it doesn't matter... You agreed to pay a price and got what you paid for... anything else is just you being moneygrubbing. You might as well have streamed it illegally.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 19:04:54 GMT -5
King, JBL, and Cole would like to remind everyone that they're an idiot if they pay full price for PPV's when they could have them all for the low, low price of $9.99 per month
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 27, 2015 19:05:38 GMT -5
Excellent news, everyone! I called my cable company and explained the situation how less than 22 hours after I paid full price for the PPV over 50% of it was shown for free, and they offered me a full refund. I accepted of course. I was all ready for a fight but when I explained why I insisted on a full refund the representative said others have been calling "requesting refunds as well for this event" I psyched myself up for the fight that you usually get with the cable company but it was surprisingly easy. I got the distinct feeling the representative was spending a decent amount of time on this during the day because a lot of people were home due to the storm and I guess they had the same idea as I did. I did not even have to play my trump card with the threats to leave and go with another service such as Verizon fiber. ( which I was fully ready to do anyway ) If anyone else was caught in my situation and got ripped off by the WWE I would STRONGLY encourage you to call who you ordered the PPV from and demand the refund. I went in hoping for even a partial refund after reading some of the negativity here on this thread and the result was far better than I expected. The sad thing for the WWE is that I was going to order Fast Lane as my last traditional PPV at the full price. Thankfully, I can finally upgrade all of my services next month to current standards and will be able to order the WWE Network finally. The question is, will I order it now after this treatment? I intended to subscribe and just leave it going month after month thanks to my new job and pay level but this has really soured me on that idea. I might just stick their free shows and come in pay $9.99 and snipe Mania, then cancel right afterwards. I ordered WWE PPV's on and off for many years usually the big ones so I have been an ardent supporter of them over the years. I still think it's very shitty how the treated their customers regarding this situation, and getting the refund tells me the cable company is not happy either with it on some level. So call them if you were in the same situation as me! Congrats. That was a shitty thing for the WWE to do, and hopefully they get pressured by some of the cable companies. You paid for a product that they gave away the majority(and really the meat and potatoes) of it the next day. If it wasn't a big deal, the same company that did that would still be using stills of these PPVs the next day. The fact remains that if you knew and if people knew that the pro wrestling PPVs(Not sporting events, not donuts) would be showed the next day for free, a big portion of the ordering public wouldn't have ordered.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 27, 2015 19:06:44 GMT -5
King, JBL, and Cole would like to remind everyone that they're an idiot if they pay full price for PPV's when they could have them all for the low, low price of $9.99 per month The WWE has always gotten off on shitting on the part of the "Universe" it doesn't find appealing.
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 27, 2015 19:15:13 GMT -5
"Look at this clown! Didn't he know he could've gotten the Rumble for just NINE NINETY NINE?!" Hahahahahahahaha...I'm not laughing at the OP at all (and know his circumstance) but that's the first thing I thought of.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 19:16:58 GMT -5
If it wasn't a big deal, the same company that did that would still be using stills of these PPVs the next day. The fact remains that if you knew and if people knew that the pro wrestling PPVs(Not sporting events, not donuts) would be showed the next day for free, a big portion of the ordering public wouldn't have ordered. WWE is a "sporting event". It is also heavily reliant on live results, hence the whole thing being shown live. The "live" part of it is a selling point. That's one of the reasons TNA gets crapped on for filming shows 4 years ahead. The donuts were an example of the same idea of purchase/use in that what someone else pays for a day-old has ZERO bearing on what you were required to pay for fresh. Not that you care or are giving anything I'm saying the time of day. I'll stop talking to a brick wall now.
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 27, 2015 19:19:28 GMT -5
You paid to watch it live. If they want to show it for free the next day they can. They can, but I get why people would be mad if they did. As a business practice it's not a wise one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 19:22:00 GMT -5
You paid to watch it live. If they want to show it for free the next day they can. They can, but I get why people would be mad if they did. As a business practice it's not a wise one. Agreed. It was a downright douchey move by WWE and people have every right to be pissed off. I get why WWE did it, but that doesn't make it any less annoying for the people who paid for the show.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 27, 2015 19:22:16 GMT -5
If it wasn't a big deal, the same company that did that would still be using stills of these PPVs the next day. The fact remains that if you knew and if people knew that the pro wrestling PPVs(Not sporting events, not donuts) would be showed the next day for free, a big portion of the ordering public wouldn't have ordered. WWE is a "sporting event". It is also heavily reliant on live results, hence the whole thing being shown live. The "live" part of it is a selling point. That's one of the reasons TNA gets crapped on for filming shows 4 years ahead. The donuts were an example of the same idea of purchase/use in that what someone else pays for a day-old has ZERO bearing on what you were required to pay for fresh. Not that you care or are giving anything I'm saying the time of day. I'll stop talking to a brick wall now. It's not a sporting event. Live is some of the selling point, but so is the exclusivity of being able to watch it. It used to be that if you didn't order the PPV, the only way you could legally see the event was when it came out on VHS or DVD, so you are paying for the fact that it is not easy to watch whenever you want. To people without or unwilling to get the network, it is still that way. Part of that money is because it is live, but part of it is exclusivity; which was taken away because the WWE doesn't give a shit about the PPV ordering audience.
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Post by BrianZane on Jan 27, 2015 19:22:34 GMT -5
I get your anger, since $55 is a lot of money and Raw did give away, essentially, the only things people wanted to see out of that show. That said, don't make rape metaphors.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 19:32:49 GMT -5
It's not a sporting event. This probably isn't the place for the argument, but: dictionary.reference.com/browse/sportSport (From Sporting Event) noun 1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc. ...that puts it under the category of a "sporting event" to me, even if you don't classify Pro Wrestling as a "Sport" in and of itself due to it's nature.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 27, 2015 19:35:03 GMT -5
Excellent news, everyone! I called my cable company and explained the situation how less than 22 hours after I paid full price for the PPV over 50% of it was shown for free, and they offered me a full refund. I accepted of course. I was all ready for a fight but when I explained why I insisted on a full refund the representative said others have been calling "requesting refunds as well for this event" I psyched myself up for the fight that you usually get with the cable company but it was surprisingly easy. I got the distinct feeling the representative was spending a decent amount of time on this during the day because a lot of people were home due to the storm and I guess they had the same idea as I did. I did not even have to play my trump card with the threats to leave and go with another service such as Verizon fiber. ( which I was fully ready to do anyway ) If anyone else was caught in my situation and got ripped off by the WWE I would STRONGLY encourage you to call who you ordered the PPV from and demand the refund. I went in hoping for even a partial refund after reading some of the negativity here on this thread and the result was far better than I expected. The sad thing for the WWE is that I was going to order Fast Lane as my last traditional PPV at the full price. Thankfully, I can finally upgrade all of my services next month to current standards and will be able to order the WWE Network finally. The question is, will I order it now after this treatment? I intended to subscribe and just leave it going month after month thanks to my new job and pay level but this has really soured me on that idea. I might just stick their free shows and come in pay $9.99 and snipe Mania, then cancel right afterwards. I ordered WWE PPV's on and off for many years usually the big ones so I have been an ardent supporter of them over the years. I still think it's very shitty how the treated their customers regarding this situation, and getting the refund tells me the cable company is not happy either with it on some level. So call them if you were in the same situation as me! You're situation is: you paid for something, got what you paid for, and decided to be a whiny bitch about it and get your money back just because you saw that someone else got something half as good a day later for the price of basic cable. I don't blame you for trying, but yeah... someone else having something doesn't take away it's value to you, no matter how much you paid for it. It's a digital transmission of men acting like they're beating the hell out of each other, not a collector's edition Elvis plate. Whether 100 people or 100,000 people purchased the same product it's still the same value to you. Everyone else in the world could have gotten it for free and it doesn't matter... You agreed to pay a price and got what you paid for... anything else is just you being moneygrubbing. You might as well have streamed it illegally. Remind me to never do business with you because you don't seem to get the concept of protecting the value of the product that the consumer buys. Why do you think people bemoan the handling of the 1998 Halloween Havoc main event? Because showing it free decreases the value of the PPV product that people buy the day before.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 27, 2015 19:36:29 GMT -5
The sad thing for the WWE is that I was going to order Fast Lane as my last traditional PPV at the full price. Thankfully, I can finally upgrade all of my services next month to current standards and will be able to order the WWE Network finally. The question is, will I order it now after this treatment? I intended to subscribe and just leave it going month after month thanks to my new job and pay level but this has really soured me on that idea. I might just stick their free shows and come in pay $9.99 and snipe Mania, then cancel right afterwards. I ordered WWE PPV's on and off for many years usually the big ones so I have been an ardent supporter of them over the years. I still think it's very shitty how the treated their customers regarding this situation, and getting the refund tells me the cable company is not happy either with it on some level. I'm glad you managed to come to an amicable agreement. As has been said, the cable company would rather keep their customers happy than lose them, and will most likely be seeking some financial compensation from WWE for creating the situation in the first place rather than piss people off. With regards to the WWE Network, if you're really unhappy with how they've treated customers then don't subscribe. Sniping Mania is effectively saying "I don't like the way you've treated me, I don't like the way you're booking your show, here's $9.99 and don't do it again." The best way to let WWE know they've f***ed up is by withholding what they want from you - your money.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 27, 2015 19:39:04 GMT -5
The sad thing for the WWE is that I was going to order Fast Lane as my last traditional PPV at the full price. Thankfully, I can finally upgrade all of my services next month to current standards and will be able to order the WWE Network finally. The question is, will I order it now after this treatment? I intended to subscribe and just leave it going month after month thanks to my new job and pay level but this has really soured me on that idea. I might just stick their free shows and come in pay $9.99 and snipe Mania, then cancel right afterwards. I ordered WWE PPV's on and off for many years usually the big ones so I have been an ardent supporter of them over the years. I still think it's very shitty how the treated their customers regarding this situation, and getting the refund tells me the cable company is not happy either with it on some level. So call them if you were in the same situation as me! Yeah because the WWE is totally planning to replay the main events from Fast Lane on Raw for free again. You got your money back, cragratulations. But please stop acting like the WWE perpetrated some great crime because a blizzard canceled Raw and they tried to make the best of bad situation.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 27, 2015 19:45:08 GMT -5
]Remind me to never do business with you because you don't seem to get the concept of protecting the value of the product that the consumer buys. Why do you think people bemoan the handling of the 1998 Halloween Havoc main event? Because showing it free decreases the value of the PPV product that people buy the day before. That's different from this though. The Halloween Havoc debacle was WCW's fault, they didn't let companies know they were going for 3 and a half hours, and just assumed the companies would stick with it. That was blatantly screwing over the people that got the ppv, this was the paying customer getting to see the ppv, and a blizzard causing the cancellation of Raw.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 27, 2015 19:48:19 GMT -5
]Remind me to never do business with you because you don't seem to get the concept of protecting the value of the product that the consumer buys. Why do you think people bemoan the handling of the 1998 Halloween Havoc main event? Because showing it free decreases the value of the PPV product that people buy the day before. That's different from this though. The Halloween Havoc debacle was WCW's fault, they didn't let companies know they were going for 3 and a half hours, and just assumed the companies would stick with it. That was blatantly screwing over the people that got the ppv, this was the paying customer getting to see the ppv, and a blizzard causing the cancellation of Raw. Its still killing the value of paying for WWE content. They should never do that because now I never know if I should invest money in this if there is a chance I can see it for free the day after. Act of God or other wise
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