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Post by cahuette on Mar 20, 2015 19:21:28 GMT -5
Eh, if you agree to a spot like that it's your choice, doesn't really make the whole thing entertaining to me but hey, you're trying, in a dumb and dangerous way but it's your life.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Mar 20, 2015 19:37:32 GMT -5
2, the sexual nature of it. The way he pins her is f***ing gross. I've seen worse... Keep in mind he pumps his hips for the 3 count.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Mar 23, 2015 1:33:45 GMT -5
I'll just throw in some Youtube comments here, because they're always "quality": Randy Hardy -everyone saying "this is so wrong" are hypocrites.. most of you probably trended give divas a chance and said they can do EVERYTHING men can and then now this is discusting? this is was the men do so if women can do what men do why is this vile and disturbing? idiots 13 likes. James Pelletier-How is this any worse than what you saw in the original ECW or in The Attitude Era? 6 likes. iamsiaho-to all you stupid SWJ bitches: 1) wrestling is fake 2) if we are all equal, a man, in a violent sport, should be just as entitled to hit a woman as he is another man 3) if wrestling WERE real, you should be applauding this STRONG WOMAN for making it in a MANS sport, rather than doing something feminine and demeaning, like play tennis, field hockey, or, god forbid, cheer-leading. suck my dick. 37 likes. The f*** is wrong with people? I love how "SJW" has grown as a nice little insult for anyone who doesn't automatically equate women's rights with how horrible we're allowed to treat them. Clearly, there's no middle ground between coddling women like children and just beating the holy hell out of them. That said, what upset me about that video had nothing to do with gender and everything to do with carelessness. I mean, if the barely guarded chair shot wasn't bad enough, her getting lawn darted like a ragdoll was f***ing horrible. Like someone said on the second page, if this was a spot between two men, it would still be a stupid spot, it would just be one of about a hundred stupid spots between men, meaning it wouldn't have gone viral. They were looking for their fifteen minutes of fame and they got it. I just hope any harm done was worth it, because as Lufisto so eloquently said, those injuries will be around long after the spotlight has gone.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 23, 2015 6:40:10 GMT -5
What's not helping Dickenson is he's calling fans out on social media right now. Drew Cordiero is kind of being a dick about this as well.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 23, 2015 6:57:25 GMT -5
I'll just throw in some Youtube comments here, because they're always "quality": Randy Hardy -everyone saying "this is so wrong" are hypocrites.. most of you probably trended give divas a chance and said they can do EVERYTHING men can and then now this is discusting? this is was the men do so if women can do what men do why is this vile and disturbing? idiots 13 likes. James Pelletier-How is this any worse than what you saw in the original ECW or in The Attitude Era? 6 likes. iamsiaho-to all you stupid SWJ bitches: 1) wrestling is fake 2) if we are all equal, a man, in a violent sport, should be just as entitled to hit a woman as he is another man 3) if wrestling WERE real, you should be applauding this STRONG WOMAN for making it in a MANS sport, rather than doing something feminine and demeaning, like play tennis, field hockey, or, god forbid, cheer-leading. suck my dick. 37 likes. The f*** is wrong with people? I'll probably get a ton of hate for this, but these comments are right on point. Women want equality, this is equality. You have to take the good and the bad. If this happened to a male, there would be no outrage. She chose to do this spot, so I see nothing wrong with it. It seems that most of the world has become so PC and soft. I think the point is more that this would still be just as unsafe and idiotic if it was done to a man...
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Post by chrom on Mar 23, 2015 7:15:30 GMT -5
I like how some say they are doing it to get noticed by WWE and other companies.
Oh, you'll get noticed alright. Noticed and put on the list of guys to NEVER hire and wind up spending the rest of your life performing in front of crowds who have less teeth than Gollum.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 23, 2015 11:40:01 GMT -5
This whole thing coming back to the front page here just made me think of another angle on it. To piggyback on the previous comment, who are these people trying to get noticed by? WWE isn't going to gravitate toward this, nor will most other major companies at this point.
That brings things into a larger, more unsettling context for me. There's a Dutch Mantell quote that gets thrown around a lot: "I liked wrestling better when the marks were in the seats, not in the ring", or something to that effect, and another line a lot of people have used that says "When we pretended to hurt each other fans thought it was real; now we nearly kill each other and they think it's all fake."
Given the direction pro wrestling has gone in over the past few decades in terms of its core audience, it's clear that a huge chunk of the modern generation of wrestlers are basically "geeks" for the industry, people who grew up as superfans and now want to be a part of it at any cost. That...isn't good.
Why isn't it good? Think about all the promos you've heard from indy or smaller promotion wrestlers talking about "passion", "busting my ass", "doing it for these fans", or some such nonsense, all said in almost total earnestness. While it's good to love what you do, obviously, this stuff is still work. If you do well enough it can be a career, but it's all a business, and one that has no qualms with chewing you up and spitting you out as soon as you lose your flavor.
Promoters eat stuff like this up; it means these people are willing to throw life, limb, and safety aside just to "put on a good show", sustaining potential major injuries all just to get fans in an armory to pop for a spot, because they just love pro wrestling enough to be ok with getting exploited by it. Not enough people are willing to say "Screw this, I have my health and future earnings to think about."
The pool of people actually watching wrestling keeps shrinking; not surprisingly, the pool of people who then get into pro wrestling as workers is shrinking, as well. I hope that going forward they don't hold onto being marks as they train, grow, and are paid to do stupid, unsafe angles or spots.
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Post by Reflecto on Mar 23, 2015 14:27:36 GMT -5
I like how some say they are doing it to get noticed by WWE and other companies. Oh, you'll get noticed alright. Noticed and put on the list of guys to NEVER hire and wind up spending the rest of your life performing in front of crowds who have less teeth than Gollum. That's really the problem though- one of the rules the world lives by- not just wrestling, not just entertainment- but really, all of business, is "it's better to be a famous failure than an anonymous success"- and in the world of the independents, getting noticed by the fans. Even though WWE seemed to be becoming more of a progressive wrestling corporation (for pro wrestling, at least), there's still that unsavory nature. The rumors/claims made right now circulating on this board about how The Briscoes' WWE signing is imminent, even though a couple years ago Jay Briscoe's anti-gay remarks, in theory, should have rendered him radioactive with fans, is an example- even if you do something that, on paper, would be a black mark that keeps you out of a company like WWE forever, if you're a big enough deal on the indy scene, eventually you'll get a chance (witness how Scorpio Sky, who seemed closer to a WWE deal after "Harold" got so over in the anger management skits- but is nowhere near the indy mega-star the Briscoes were, made similar comments on his Twitter, and was effectively blackballed from the national promotions as a result.) It also is worse when the gender issue, combined with how much harder it is for top women on the indy scene to get signed than it is for top men on the indy scene, to stand out- even between both this display and the display at JAPW where he interrupted their ten-bell for Perro Aguayo Jr. over the weekend, it's far more sobering to realize not just that "top national promotions would blackball these two performers for a stunt like this", but rather "the WWE would be more likely to blackball Kimber Lee for TAKING the spot, but eventually sign Chris Dickinson for GIVING the spot- just because he's apparently using it to make himself a far bigger heel while Kimber Lee is trying to ignore the controversy and let it slide."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 15:46:36 GMT -5
I like how some say they are doing it to get noticed by WWE and other companies. Oh, you'll get noticed alright. Noticed and put on the list of guys to NEVER hire and wind up spending the rest of your life performing in front of crowds who have less teeth than Gollum. That's really the problem though- one of the rules the world lives by- not just wrestling, not just entertainment- but really, all of business, is "it's better to be a famous failure than an anonymous success"- and in the world of the independents, getting noticed by the fans. Even though WWE seemed to be becoming more of a progressive wrestling corporation (for pro wrestling, at least), there's still that unsavory nature. The rumors/claims made right now circulating on this board about how The Briscoes' WWE signing is imminent, even though a couple years ago Jay Briscoe's anti-gay remarks, in theory, should have rendered him radioactive with fans, is an example- even if you do something that, on paper, would be a black mark that keeps you out of a company like WWE forever, if you're a big enough deal on the indy scene, eventually you'll get a chance (witness how Scorpio Sky, who seemed closer to a WWE deal after "Harold" got so over in the anger management skits- but is nowhere near the indy mega-star the Briscoes were, made similar comments on his Twitter, and was effectively blackballed from the national promotions as a result.) It also is worse when the gender issue, combined with how much harder it is for top women on the indy scene to get signed than it is for top men on the indy scene, to stand out- even between both this display and the display at JAPW where he interrupted their ten-bell for Perro Aguayo Jr. over the weekend, it's far more sobering to realize not just that "top national promotions would blackball these two performers for a stunt like this", but rather "the WWE would be more likely to blackball Kimber Lee for TAKING the spot, but eventually sign Chris Dickinson for GIVING the spot- just because he's apparently using it to make himself a far bigger heel while Kimber Lee is trying to ignore the controversy and let it slide." What? Some shitstain company used the Aguayo situation to give a heel heat less than a week after it happened? What the actual f***? That's just bad form even to a royal c*** like myself.
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Post by chrom on Mar 23, 2015 15:56:39 GMT -5
Seriously that actually happened? Hard to sink any lower than that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 17:53:09 GMT -5
Heh. I like how in those YouTube comments someone found they used tennis and cheer leading as examples of easy "feminine" sports. Tennis is hard as hell and cheer leading is obscenely dangerous at a certain level.
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Post by chrom on Mar 23, 2015 19:33:41 GMT -5
Heh. I like how in those YouTube comments someone found they used tennis and cheer leading as examples of easy "feminine" sports. Tennis is hard as hell and cheer leading is obscenely dangerous at a certain level. There's a reason there's no such thing as a fat tennis player and there are probably just as many injuries in cheer leading as they are in football a year.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 23, 2015 23:20:22 GMT -5
I'll just throw in some Youtube comments here, because they're always "quality": Randy Hardy -everyone saying "this is so wrong" are hypocrites.. most of you probably trended give divas a chance and said they can do EVERYTHING men can and then now this is discusting? this is was the men do so if women can do what men do why is this vile and disturbing? idiots 13 likes. James Pelletier-How is this any worse than what you saw in the original ECW or in The Attitude Era? 6 likes. iamsiaho-to all you stupid SWJ bitches: 1) wrestling is fake 2) if we are all equal, a man, in a violent sport, should be just as entitled to hit a woman as he is another man 3) if wrestling WERE real, you should be applauding this STRONG WOMAN for making it in a MANS sport, rather than doing something feminine and demeaning, like play tennis, field hockey, or, god forbid, cheer-leading. suck my dick. 37 likes. The f*** is wrong with people? I love how "SJW" has grown as a nice little insult for anyone who doesn't automatically equate women's rights with how horrible we're allowed to treat them. Clearly, there's no middle ground between coddling women like children and just beating the holy hell out of them. You mean SWJ. Sid Justice's middle name must have been something like Wayne or William.
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Post by edtheripper on Mar 24, 2015 5:14:24 GMT -5
From this weekend's XWA show, Dickinson getting his revenge on the kid who filmed the video that went viral.
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