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Post by Clover Star on Jan 3, 2016 18:10:05 GMT -5
Yes. Because separating the art from the artist as a viewer is one thing. I can see that point of view, even if I don't totally agree with it. But watching a Polanski movie is not the same as working with him on a one-to-one basis for months on end. Polanski is scum, but yeah, as a viewer I have no problem separating him from his work. Same with Woody Allen, I would never shake the man's hand but I can honestly say he has a long list of films I enjoy. Also R. Kelly, John Lennon, Miles Davis, Chris Brown, etc, all allegedly morally dubious individuals who I still believe create/have created good art. Different people are going to have differing personal standards on their ability to enjoy art from lousy people. You're not wrong, whether you choose to avoid their work or indulge in it anyway. The latter more often than not isn't meant to condone their actions. Also most of the stuff about John Lennon came from a controversial, dubiously-sourced book by Albert Goldman, who also wrote a controversial, dubiously-sourced book about Elvis. In both cases, the stuff Goldman said was rebuked by both artists' respective families. Bono also had something to say about Goldman in U2's "God Part II", Don't believe in Goldman His type like a curse Instant Karma's gonna get him If I don't get him first"So yeah... most of the dirt about Elvis and John Lennon? Probably (most likely) either exaggerated or made up entirely.
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Post by nickcave on Jan 3, 2016 19:29:57 GMT -5
Even ignoring the Goldman book, Lennon self-admitted to doing some awful stuff such as verbally and physically abusing his first wife and pretty much completely neglecting his first son. Not exactly a role model.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 3, 2016 22:58:36 GMT -5
Even ignoring the Goldman book, Lennon self-admitted to doing some awful stuff such as verbally and physically abusing his first wife and pretty much completely neglecting his first son. Not exactly a role model. True, but it didn't tarnish his rep for good-the majority are going to remember Beatle John and peace and love John
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Post by Clover Star on Jan 4, 2016 2:54:16 GMT -5
Even ignoring the Goldman book, Lennon self-admitted to doing some awful stuff such as verbally and physically abusing his first wife and pretty much completely neglecting his first son. Not exactly a role model. He wasn't a saint to his first wife, true. And regarding Julian Lennon, they didn't have the best of relationships, no, but John was the one who bought him his first guitar and encouraged him to get into music. Julian also mellowed his feelings about his dad a few years ago.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 4, 2016 5:29:41 GMT -5
John Travolta
Battlefield Earth absolutely killed his career comeback. Aside from Hairspray and maybe Bolt, his career has been in the shitter.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 4, 2016 10:56:18 GMT -5
If you're good at your job, you can win people back. If you're an athlete, as long as there isn't an actual ban on you, there will be a down on their luck team somewhere willing to take the risk, and if you play well, a better team comes along, then a better team, you can have a relatively long and healthy career. Same with entertainment, if you're good enough, enough people will look past what you did so you can keep making money and try comebacks. The only ones that stay untouchable are ones who can't do what people like them for anymore. Cosby's old, he won't have time to mount a comeback, OJ was retired, plus he just got weirder and weirder, Hogan might be done because, well, where's he going to go that will give him a chance to be "redeemed"?The Celebrity Big Brother house? www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/celebrity-big-brother-hulk-hogan-5626594TNA?
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 4, 2016 10:57:46 GMT -5
Polanski is scum, but yeah, as a viewer I have no problem separating him from his work. Same with Woody Allen, I would never shake the man's hand but I can honestly say he has a long list of films I enjoy. Also R. Kelly, John Lennon, Miles Davis, Chris Brown, etc, all allegedly morally dubious individuals who I still believe create/have created good art. Different people are going to have differing personal standards on their ability to enjoy art from lousy people. You're not wrong, whether you choose to avoid their work or indulge in it anyway. The latter more often than not isn't meant to condone their actions. Also most of the stuff about John Lennon came from a controversial, dubiously-sourced book by Albert Goldman, who also wrote a controversial, dubiously-sourced book about Elvis. In both cases, the stuff Goldman said was rebuked by both artists' respective families. Bono also had something to say about Goldman in U2's "God Part II", Don't believe in Goldman His type like a curse Instant Karma's gonna get him If I don't get him first"So yeah... most of the dirt about Elvis and John Lennon? Probably (most likely) either exaggerated or made up entirely. I feel the pain of people who know about Goldman's work....remind me to talk about Dusty Springfield's ex-manager and how she tried to disgrace her legacy for 15 years.
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Post by BJ Sturgeon on Jan 4, 2016 14:54:17 GMT -5
I mean that people will care about.
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