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Post by crashmatsbazz on Mar 16, 2015 9:25:04 GMT -5
as much as it pains to me say, Michael Richards career hasn't really recovered after his racist rant in the comedy club, i f***ing love Krammer, but my love died a bit that day.
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Post by paulbearer on Mar 16, 2015 13:45:19 GMT -5
If Cimino is a tyrant then Jim Cameron is one as well.
About Benoit....well , for example Gig Young killed his wife and yet he has a star on WoF so I guess anything is possible.
The more I hear about Jackson the more I'm convinced he was a manipulating molester....why would he have a secret room at Neverland , basically a shrine to little boys ?
Why would he serve alcohol to kids ??
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Post by wisdomwizard on Mar 16, 2015 14:05:59 GMT -5
If Cimino is a tyrant then Jim Cameron is one as well. About Benoit....well , for example Gig Young killed his wife and yet he has a star on WoF so I guess anything is possible. The more I hear about Jackson the more I'm convinced he was a manipulating molester....why would he have a secret room at Neverland , basically a shrine to little boys ? Why would he serve alcohol to kids ??
He WASN'T!
Crying out loud, he was exonerated. Jacko did some weird things, but that doesn't mean he did any of what he was accused of. Plus if he actually was guilty, why haven't there been more than two cases? And why exactly is no one stepping forward when he's dead?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 15:00:13 GMT -5
How about the Dixie Chicks? Their post-Bush rant album Taking the Long Way proved they were still loved, possibly more than ever. The only people who hate them are Bush supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 15:01:08 GMT -5
The more I hear about Jackson the more I'm convinced he was a manipulating molester....why would he have a secret room at Neverland , basically a shrine to little boys ? Why would he serve alcohol to kids ?? He wasn't and he didn't. Besides even if he did serve alcohol to kids, it's actually legal in 36 states.
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Post by Cela on Mar 16, 2015 15:41:45 GMT -5
as much as it pains to me say, Michael Richards career hasn't really recovered after his racist rant in the comedy club, i f***ing love Krammer, but my love died a bit that day. Richards career was pretty dead before that though. He had Seinfeld, but every subsequent thing he did flopped hard.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 17, 2015 3:21:23 GMT -5
If Cimino is a tyrant then Jim Cameron is one as well. About Benoit....well , for example Gig Young killed his wife and yet he has a star on WoF so I guess anything is possible. The more I hear about Jackson the more I'm convinced he was a manipulating molester....why would he have a secret room at Neverland , basically a shrine to little boys ? Why would he serve alcohol to kids ??
He WASN'T!
Crying out loud, he was exonerated. Jacko did some weird things, but that doesn't mean he did any of what he was accused of. Plus if he actually was guilty, why haven't there been more than two cases? And why exactly is no one stepping forward when he's dead?
Quoted for truth. Jackson was a very strange guy, but if there was any credible evidence he molested kids he would have been nailed to the wall a long time ago.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Mar 17, 2015 3:45:29 GMT -5
At the time of his plea, Polanski accepted that prison and deportation was a possible consequence and would be left to the discretion of the judge. He still agreed to it. He has no basis for complaint. He's a coward. That's why he fled. His detestable interview in 1979 with Martin Amis shows he had no remorse at all over the crime. At the time of his plea he accepted that he would do the stint in Chino, get the evaluation, and IF they found him to not be a persisting threat he was going to get probation. They had 90 days. They reported back in about 40 some odd days with a "Yeah, he isn't a continued threat." He had basis for complaint. When his defense attorney told him "I don't trust the judge." That added fuel. When the PROSECUTING ATTORNEY described the judge's actions as deplorable. He had basis for complaint. Polanski did it. He deserves whatever he gets. But every step of the way with that trial someone has just screwed it up. The judge going into business for himself, the DOJ straight going monkey-football on the extradition process when they requested the Swiss government hold and extradite him. Seriously, Switzerland released him because the US messed up the whole damned thing. Be mad at Polanski. But be more angry with the people who failed. Who continue to failed. Who made this drag out as long as it has. They had an ethical and moral obligation to get it right, and they didn't. And oversimplifying what happened, turning Polanski into an evil caricature of a human being, the representative of all we find vile, is not just a logical and cognitive dissonance, it is fully separating from reality. It is turning a weak human being into a monster for the benefit of saying "Well since he is a monster, we humans are not capable of it." The sad part of this is that he IS a human. Just like us. Any one of us can fall. We can burn up our legacy like he has, with our failings and failures. I don't watch his movies, even the stuff from before. Not since I found out about it. I just think that reducing the story the way most do is wrong, and it is a self-serving way to pass judgement, while be able to look at ourselves in the mirror and say "My how much better am I than the barbarians."
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 17, 2015 5:08:58 GMT -5
as much as it pains to me say, Michael Richards career hasn't really recovered after his racist rant in the comedy club, i f***ing love Krammer, but my love died a bit that day. Richards career was pretty dead before that though. He had Seinfeld, but every subsequent thing he did flopped hard. And he turned down being Adrian Monk, although without Tony Shalhoub, I don't think the show would have been a hit.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 17, 2015 10:05:09 GMT -5
That's what upsets me about the Michael allegations. There was nothing to prove he did it and more information proving his innocence, and yet, so many misinformed people still believe he actually did it. Is it a case of people swallowing everything the media feeds them or not researching the facts? Other than all the alleged victims saying he did it? Even if he didn't actually molest a child, he did enough creepy behavior THAT HE, HIMSELF, ADMITTED TO that should have barred him from any contact with children. And, after the first incident, he should have never allowed himself to be in a position for another accusation. Okay, what exactly was creepy about what he did? He had a theme park for himself and for less fortunate children to visit and have fun? He had sleepovers in a bedroom that was a two story duplex? Accusations that more or less exhibited extortion attempts? He never admitted to creepy behavior, he admitted to sharing a bed with children, and no pedophile would ever admit to sleeping with children in the first place. I do agree that after the first accusation he should've been more careful, however, in his mind he didn't think he was doing anything wrong and easily trusted the wrong people.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 17, 2015 11:18:11 GMT -5
Lindsay Lohan: I don't think she ever recover from being the drugged out, drunk , who slept with a bunch of famous people. She went from being the hottest young actress out there then she face planted.
Amanda Brynes: I don't think she ever get away from being a head case instead being a mega star that she was becoming.
Chris Brown: No matter how many good songs he may put out. He always going to be labeled as a woman beater.
OJ Simpson: He never going to be viewed as a former NFL great.
Everyone else listed as well I have to agree on. Outside of Michael Jackson when he passed away he was loved by everyone and YES he UK tour was sold out. Nobody can't say he was always going to have that cloud over his head. Regardless how talented he is and I loved his work. I know that cloud was going to be there even if he was still mega popular.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 17, 2015 11:30:56 GMT -5
He didn't. The plea agreement made it clear that the judge could impose sentence at his own discretion. Polanski was asked if he clearly understood that this was a possibility. He says yes.
Unfortunately Polanski doesn't feel the same way.
The only person who failed was Polanski. He's the one who has dragged this out as long as it has by refusing to face any punishment for his actions. His lack of ethical and moral obligations is the cause of it all.
He's a rapist. Rape is not a "failure". It's a crime. One of the most serious on the books. Moral relativism and purple prose doesn't change that.
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Post by Push R Truth on Mar 17, 2015 12:15:05 GMT -5
Has anybody said Aaron Burr yet?
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 17, 2015 13:34:06 GMT -5
Kevin Clash anyone?
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Post by BJ Sturgeon on Mar 17, 2015 14:16:17 GMT -5
Okay, what exactly was creepy about what he did? He had a theme park for himself and for less fortunate children to visit and have fun? He had sleepovers in a bedroom that was a two story duplex? Accusations that more or less exhibited extortion attempts? He never admitted to creepy behavior, he admitted to sharing a bed with children, and no pedophile would ever admit to sleeping with children in the first place. I do agree that after the first accusation he should've been more careful, however, in his mind he didn't think he was doing anything wrong and easily trusted the wrong people. He let multiple children that weren't his sleep in his bed. That is absolutely wrong. And he admitted to it, so don't feed me any bullshit about innocent until proven guilty. Well, was it ever proven that he molested children?
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 17, 2015 14:34:39 GMT -5
Okay, what exactly was creepy about what he did? He had a theme park for himself and for less fortunate children to visit and have fun? He had sleepovers in a bedroom that was a two story duplex? Accusations that more or less exhibited extortion attempts? He never admitted to creepy behavior, he admitted to sharing a bed with children, and no pedophile would ever admit to sleeping with children in the first place. I do agree that after the first accusation he should've been more careful, however, in his mind he didn't think he was doing anything wrong and easily trusted the wrong people. He let multiple children that weren't his sleep in his bed. That is absolutely wrong. And he admitted to it, so don't feed me any bullshit about innocent until proven guilty. Something he absolutely admitted to. Yes, the statement innocent until proven guilty is very important in the law practices. Regardless of whether the individual committed the crime or not, until a verdict is reached they are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. What pedophile would ever admit to sleeping with children? A smart child molester would do a better job at hiding it. Michael had all the connections, money, and secrecy available known to man. I am going to quote Danny Bonaduce on his opinion regarding Michael's accusations: "There is a little activity that I have done for thirty years. And in thirty years no one has caught me. With Michael you'd think he want to keep that a secret and yet the security guard saw him do it, the cook saw him do it, and the maid saw him do it? Don't you think he'd be a little sneakier for twelve year olds?" I've slept in the same bed with people who weren't related to me and there wasn't anything sexual behind it. We went to sleep and it's those who connect bed with sex that have the issue in my opinion.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 17, 2015 14:39:10 GMT -5
He let multiple children that weren't his sleep in his bed. That is absolutely wrong. And he admitted to it, so don't feed me any bullshit about innocent until proven guilty. Well, was it ever proven that he molested children? Nope. Evidence proved that both cases indicated extortion attempts from the families of the accusers, along with the FBI keeping tabs on Michael for over 10 years and having their own file on him, needless to say the said files revealed that it was nothing out of the ordinary and no illegal activities on Michael's end. Michael also had no child porn in his home and considering how much of a packrat/hoarder he was, it wouldn't have been hard to find any child porn if he was a child molester. One key thing that a lot of misinformed people don't realize and refuse to understand. We all know the media/paparazzi camped out at Neverland on a daily basis. All it would've taken was for one child and parent to run out of the house, jump over that fence, and tell what Michael was doing right then and there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 14:47:29 GMT -5
He wasn't and he didn't. Besides even if he did serve alcohol to kids, it's actually legal in 36 states. 36? You show me one state where serving alcohol to children is legal. Just one. Look it up. It's legal in 36 states in the privacy of your own home for minors to drink with parental permission and supervision.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 17, 2015 14:49:54 GMT -5
36? You show me one state where serving alcohol to children is legal. Just one. Look it up. It's legal in 36 states in the privacy of your own home for minors to drink with parental permission and supervision. And it was also proven that those kids snuck into Michael's wine cellar when he wasn't present and were drinking it on their own. This was revealed in the Aphrodite Jones book "The Michael Jackson Conspiracy", along with actual court documents as well.
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Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Mar 17, 2015 14:56:52 GMT -5
He wasn't and he didn't. Besides even if he did serve alcohol to kids, it's actually legal in 36 states. 36? You show me one state where serving alcohol to children is legal. Just one. I don't know where 36 came from, but 45 states have exemptions for underage CONSUMPTION, not SERVING which suggest going to a bar. Only in a private home, office or property and only 6 states allow consumption without parental consent or presence, Louisiana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, Oklahoma, South Carolina. But it's all a moot point when Neverland Ranch is in California which has no exemptions and would be crime.
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