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Post by Aya Reiko on Jul 5, 2015 19:56:49 GMT -5
EC3 is a victim of timing, even a year or two ago if he had been champ there would have been a little bit of a buzz, but TNA is so dead that no one really cares. If it were a year or two ago, TNA would rather give the belt to Jeff Hardy, Bully Ray, or Kurt Angle. Devaluing the belt further, this is the third title change this year. In comparison, the WWE WHC title has changed once, at WM 31.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 21:29:01 GMT -5
EC3 is a victim of timing, even a year or two ago if he had been champ there would have been a little bit of a buzz, but TNA is so dead that no one really cares. If it were a year or two ago, TNA would rather give the belt to Jeff Hardy, Bully Ray, or Kurt Angle. Devaluing the belt further, this is the third title change this year. In comparison, the WWE WHC title has changed once, at WM 31. I wouldn't call three title changes in seven months all that bad. And besides that, I wouldn't call the current WWE title scene the portrait of a good main event set-up.
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Post by JTG Fan on Jul 5, 2015 22:31:50 GMT -5
EC3 is a victim of timing, even a year or two ago if he had been champ there would have been a little bit of a buzz, but TNA is so dead that no one really cares. If it were a year or two ago, TNA would rather give the belt to Jeff Hardy, Bully Ray, or Kurt Angle. Devaluing the belt further, this is the third title change this year. In comparison, the WWE WHC title has changed once, at WM 31. Magnus being booked as the biggest bitch who ever lived and Eric Young ever winning the thing helped kill the TNA World Title dead, though Lashley did his best to bring some prestige back to it.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 6, 2015 1:39:01 GMT -5
If it were a year or two ago, TNA would rather give the belt to Jeff Hardy, Bully Ray, or Kurt Angle. Devaluing the belt further, this is the third title change this year. In comparison, the WWE WHC title has changed once, at WM 31. I wouldn't call three title changes in seven months all that bad. And besides that, I wouldn't call the current WWE title scene the portrait of a good main event set-up. Yeah at least in TNA as shitty as they are, the heavyweight champion is the main event. In the WWE I think that there are reigns who devaluate the championship, like Rollins and Punk's first WHC reign. I think that with those situations the guys who aren't the wwe champ draw more money, like Brock and Cena. I hope that this doesn't happens to EC3, like for example despite him being the champion, the main event scene is gonna be dominated by Jarrett
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 6, 2015 2:51:37 GMT -5
EC3 just got featured in LOLTNA history "former WWE reject Derrick Bateman debuted on Impact in 2013 as Ethan Carter III [EC3] who's initials were obviously an attempt to ripoff NFL player RGIII [Robert Griffin III]. He was billed as "Dixie Carter's nephew" which resulted in pretty much the same nepotism type of booking that Garett Bischoff got. As much of a problem as nepotism is in the wrestling industry, it was atleast understandable why Eric Bischoff would try to endlessly promote Garett Bischoff- even though Garett sucked in the ring. With EC3 however, you had "kayfabe nepotism" which was completey unneccesary on the part of TNA. He would cut really bad promos in the ring, then face off against random jobbers which the TNA commentating crew played off as a "winning streak". This escalated into him going over in singles matches over Sting and Kurt Angle while he received chants of "You Can't Wrestle". TNA shoved him down viewers throats despite the fact that he couldn't cut a promo, his in-ring skills were lackluster and his matches generally sucked. TNA commentators kept playing up his "Undefeated streak" [when will TNA stop doing this?] despite the fact that EC3 would get his ass kicked in the majority of his matches and would only win by sheer dumb luck or by outside interference. Even in Tag matches, he was never the one to be pinned or submitted. In 2014, he was put in a extremely pointless feud with former tag partner Rockstar Spud where he introduced fellow WWE bum B̶r̶o̶d̶u̶s̶ ̶C̶l̶a̶y̶ Tyrus as his bodyguard, resulting in 2 on 1 handicap matches or tag matches against Spud which all ended with the same result- Spud getting pinned. He then trasitioned into yet another pointless feud with Mr Anderson which took up alot of screentime despite nobody caring. He was never really booked as a major threat like a serious heel would be and was booked more like a heel version of S̶a̶n̶t̶i̶n̶o̶ ̶M̶a̶r̶e̶l̶l̶a̶ any comedic jobber. This culminated on the July 1st 2015 episode of Impact where EC3 reversed a Angle Slam into a rollup pin-therefore winning the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. If the belt didn't mean anything before, it doesn't now. This was not only in the same breath as David Arquette winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship, but goes to show that TNA would put the belt on a jobber if it meant he used to be with WWE" Source: taimapedia.org/index.php?title=LOLTNA_History#Ethan_Carter_III_.5BEC3.5D-TNA_World_Champion
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 3:14:00 GMT -5
EC3 just got featured in LOLTNA history "former WWE reject Derrick Bateman debuted on Impact in 2013 as Ethan Carter III [EC3] who's initials were obviously an attempt to ripoff NFL player RGIII [Robert Griffin III]. He was billed as "Dixie Carter's nephew" which resulted in pretty much the same nepotism type of booking that Garett Bischoff got. As much of a problem as nepotism is in the wrestling industry, it was atleast understandable why Eric Bischoff would try to endlessly promote Garett Bischoff- even though Garett sucked in the ring. With EC3 however, you had "kayfabe nepotism" which was completey unneccesary on the part of TNA. He would cut really bad promos in the ring, then face off against random jobbers which the TNA commentating crew played off as a "winning streak". This escalated into him going over in singles matches over Sting and Kurt Angle while he received chants of "You Can't Wrestle". TNA shoved him down viewers throats despite the fact that he couldn't cut a promo, his in-ring skills were lackluster and his matches generally sucked. TNA commentators kept playing up his "Undefeated streak" [when will TNA stop doing this?] despite the fact that EC3 would get his ass kicked in the majority of his matches and would only win by sheer dumb luck or by outside interference. Even in Tag matches, he was never the one to be pinned or submitted. In 2014, he was put in a extremely pointless feud with former tag partner Rockstar Spud where he introduced fellow WWE bum B̶r̶o̶d̶u̶s̶ ̶C̶l̶a̶y̶ Tyrus as his bodyguard, resulting in 2 on 1 handicap matches or tag matches against Spud which all ended with the same result- Spud getting pinned. He then trasitioned into yet another pointless feud with Mr Anderson which took up alot of screentime despite nobody caring. He was never really booked as a major threat like a serious heel would be and was booked more like a heel version of S̶a̶n̶t̶i̶n̶o̶ ̶M̶a̶r̶e̶l̶l̶a̶ any comedic jobber. This culminated on the July 1st 2015 episode of Impact where EC3 reversed a Angle Slam into a rollup pin-therefore winning the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. If the belt didn't mean anything before, it doesn't now. This was not only in the same breath as David Arquette winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship, but goes to show that TNA would put the belt on a jobber if it meant he used to be with WWE" Source: taimapedia.org/index.php?title=LOLTNA_History#Ethan_Carter_III_.5BEC3.5D-TNA_World_ChampionLOLTNA just jumped the shark, then. I nominate switching to Limpact.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 6, 2015 3:47:11 GMT -5
EC3 just got featured in LOLTNA history "former WWE reject Derrick Bateman debuted on Impact in 2013 as Ethan Carter III [EC3] who's initials were obviously an attempt to ripoff NFL player RGIII [Robert Griffin III]. He was billed as "Dixie Carter's nephew" which resulted in pretty much the same nepotism type of booking that Garett Bischoff got. As much of a problem as nepotism is in the wrestling industry, it was atleast understandable why Eric Bischoff would try to endlessly promote Garett Bischoff- even though Garett sucked in the ring. With EC3 however, you had "kayfabe nepotism" which was completey unneccesary on the part of TNA. He would cut really bad promos in the ring, then face off against random jobbers which the TNA commentating crew played off as a "winning streak". This escalated into him going over in singles matches over Sting and Kurt Angle while he received chants of "You Can't Wrestle". TNA shoved him down viewers throats despite the fact that he couldn't cut a promo, his in-ring skills were lackluster and his matches generally sucked. TNA commentators kept playing up his "Undefeated streak" [when will TNA stop doing this?] despite the fact that EC3 would get his ass kicked in the majority of his matches and would only win by sheer dumb luck or by outside interference. Even in Tag matches, he was never the one to be pinned or submitted. In 2014, he was put in a extremely pointless feud with former tag partner Rockstar Spud where he introduced fellow WWE bum B̶r̶o̶d̶u̶s̶ ̶C̶l̶a̶y̶ Tyrus as his bodyguard, resulting in 2 on 1 handicap matches or tag matches against Spud which all ended with the same result- Spud getting pinned. He then trasitioned into yet another pointless feud with Mr Anderson which took up alot of screentime despite nobody caring. He was never really booked as a major threat like a serious heel would be and was booked more like a heel version of S̶a̶n̶t̶i̶n̶o̶ ̶M̶a̶r̶e̶l̶l̶a̶ any comedic jobber. This culminated on the July 1st 2015 episode of Impact where EC3 reversed a Angle Slam into a rollup pin-therefore winning the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. If the belt didn't mean anything before, it doesn't now. This was not only in the same breath as David Arquette winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship, but goes to show that TNA would put the belt on a jobber if it meant he used to be with WWE" Source: taimapedia.org/index.php?title=LOLTNA_History#Ethan_Carter_III_.5BEC3.5D-TNA_World_ChampionYeah, this is the one thing on LOLTNA that is full of shit. Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, and Bobby Roode did jobber duty in WWE before coming to TNA. And hating his feud with Spud? For shame. The EC3 character started off rough but came together in spite of things.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 6, 2015 9:12:06 GMT -5
That may be the single worst opinion piece I have ever read. That was horrible.
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Post by JTG Fan on Jul 6, 2015 9:24:08 GMT -5
Personally I can't believe people hated the stuff with EC3 and Norv Fernum and Dewey Barnes, that shit cracked me up. Especially when he teased a new big match and gave us EC3 vs. Fernum AND Barnes. Honestly TNA dropped the ball by not using those two more after EC3 moved on, he got them pretty over and if this had happened in NXT Fernum and Barnes would have their own cult.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 10:00:11 GMT -5
Personally I can't believe people hated the stuff with EC3 and Norv Fernum and Dewey Barnes, that shit cracked me up. Especially when he teased a new big match and gave us EC3 vs. Fernum AND Barnes. Honestly TNA dropped the ball by not using those two more after EC3 moved on, he got them pretty over and if this had happened in NXT Fernum and Barnes would have their own cult. About that... {Spoiler}EC3 gives Fernum a title shot on one of the upcoming episodes.
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Post by Mondai Rogue on Jul 6, 2015 10:11:19 GMT -5
Personally I can't believe people hated the stuff with EC3 and Norv Fernum and Dewey Barnes, that shit cracked me up. Especially when he teased a new big match and gave us EC3 vs. Fernum AND Barnes. Honestly TNA dropped the ball by not using those two more after EC3 moved on, he got them pretty over and if this had happened in NXT Fernum and Barnes would have their own cult. About that... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}EC3 gives Fernum a title shot on one of the upcoming episodes. {Spoiler}{Spoiler} Good to see talent being rewarded!
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 6, 2015 11:48:12 GMT -5
Personally I can't believe people hated the stuff with EC3 and Norv Fernum and Dewey Barnes, that shit cracked me up. Especially when he teased a new big match and gave us EC3 vs. Fernum AND Barnes. Honestly TNA dropped the ball by not using those two more after EC3 moved on, he got them pretty over and if this had happened in NXT Fernum and Barnes would have their own cult. There was a point that I made a thread about Norv and Dewey getting the TNA tag titles because it wasn't like the BroMan were more credible and the jobbers had a following.
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Post by markymark on Jul 6, 2015 13:50:23 GMT -5
If it were a year or two ago, TNA would rather give the belt to Jeff Hardy, Bully Ray, or Kurt Angle. Devaluing the belt further, this is the third title change this year. In comparison, the WWE WHC title has changed once, at WM 31. Magnus being booked as the biggest bitch who ever lived and Eric Young ever winning the thing helped kill the TNA World Title dead, though Lashley did his best to bring some prestige back to it. Did Magnus win a match without interference when he was TNA champ? EC3 just got featured in LOLTNA history "former WWE reject Derrick Bateman debuted on Impact in 2013 as Ethan Carter III [EC3] who's initials were obviously an attempt to ripoff NFL player RGIII [Robert Griffin III]. He was billed as "Dixie Carter's nephew" which resulted in pretty much the same nepotism type of booking that Garett Bischoff got. As much of a problem as nepotism is in the wrestling industry, it was atleast understandable why Eric Bischoff would try to endlessly promote Garett Bischoff- even though Garett sucked in the ring. With EC3 however, you had "kayfabe nepotism" which was completey unneccesary on the part of TNA. He would cut really bad promos in the ring, then face off against random jobbers which the TNA commentating crew played off as a "winning streak". This escalated into him going over in singles matches over Sting and Kurt Angle while he received chants of "You Can't Wrestle". TNA shoved him down viewers throats despite the fact that he couldn't cut a promo, his in-ring skills were lackluster and his matches generally sucked. TNA commentators kept playing up his "Undefeated streak" [when will TNA stop doing this?] despite the fact that EC3 would get his ass kicked in the majority of his matches and would only win by sheer dumb luck or by outside interference. Even in Tag matches, he was never the one to be pinned or submitted. In 2014, he was put in a extremely pointless feud with former tag partner Rockstar Spud where he introduced fellow WWE bum B̶r̶o̶d̶u̶s̶ ̶C̶l̶a̶y̶ Tyrus as his bodyguard, resulting in 2 on 1 handicap matches or tag matches against Spud which all ended with the same result- Spud getting pinned. He then trasitioned into yet another pointless feud with Mr Anderson which took up alot of screentime despite nobody caring. He was never really booked as a major threat like a serious heel would be and was booked more like a heel version of S̶a̶n̶t̶i̶n̶o̶ ̶M̶a̶r̶e̶l̶l̶a̶ any comedic jobber. This culminated on the July 1st 2015 episode of Impact where EC3 reversed a Angle Slam into a rollup pin-therefore winning the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. If the belt didn't mean anything before, it doesn't now. This was not only in the same breath as David Arquette winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship, but goes to show that TNA would put the belt on a jobber if it meant he used to be with WWE" Source: taimapedia.org/index.php?title=LOLTNA_History#Ethan_Carter_III_.5BEC3.5D-TNA_World_Champion>Compares EC3 with Garrett Bischoff. Way for loltna site lose credibility...
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Post by walterharrow on Jul 6, 2015 14:13:44 GMT -5
I cant be the only one who thinks EC3 is overrated, can I?
He is good, and looks like a star in TNA because the rest of the roster is pretty awful, but if he was ever to go back to WWE (with the same gimmick etc) he would be no better than a dozen guys already on the roster. He stands out on the mic in TNA because no one else there can really cut a promo, but he really isn't any different to the likes of the Miz etc. He isn't awful in the ring but is not great either (I can really only think of one good match from him in TNA, against Spud). There are also times when he really comes across as a guy playing a wrestler
I like him, but he really isn't close to being 'the best thing in wrestling' in my opinion (hes the best thing in TNA though)
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Post by Aya Reiko on Jul 6, 2015 19:58:53 GMT -5
I cant be the only one who thinks EC3 is overrated, can I? He is good, and looks like a star in TNA because the rest of the roster is pretty awful, but if he was ever to go back to WWE (with the same gimmick etc) he would be no better than a dozen guys already on the roster. He stands out on the mic in TNA because no one else there can really cut a promo, but he really isn't any different to the likes of the Miz etc. He isn't awful in the ring but is not great either (I can really only think of one good match from him in TNA, against Spud). There are also times when he really comes across as a guy playing a wrestler I like him, but he really isn't close to being 'the best thing in wrestling' in my opinion (hes the best thing in TNA though) Oh absolutely this. EC3 is nothing special. He just gets a free pass because what's left of TNA's roster is just plain awful. And the only reason he has the belt is because TNA ran out of "old boys" that used to dominate TNA's WHC scene. Kurt is out due to needing to have surgury, Jeff broke his leg, and Anderson sucks. Plus Lashley is terrible on the mic.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 6, 2015 20:10:48 GMT -5
I think that for all of its problems or mistakes, EC3 being champion isn't one of them. Lashley was a good champion, but with Bellator, it's not like TNA would be his full commitment, and between the two, I would imagine Bellator is a bigger focus for him. EC3's a better option than Magnus was, or Eric Young (who honestly I wasn't even fully against), and all of those are arguably better than Kurt Angle for what feels like the millionth time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 21:05:39 GMT -5
EC3 just got featured in LOLTNA history "former WWE reject Derrick Bateman debuted on Impact in 2013 as Ethan Carter III [EC3] who's initials were obviously an attempt to ripoff NFL player RGIII [Robert Griffin III]. He was billed as "Dixie Carter's nephew" which resulted in pretty much the same nepotism type of booking that Garett Bischoff got. As much of a problem as nepotism is in the wrestling industry, it was atleast understandable why Eric Bischoff would try to endlessly promote Garett Bischoff- even though Garett sucked in the ring. With EC3 however, you had "kayfabe nepotism" which was completey unneccesary on the part of TNA. He would cut really bad promos in the ring, then face off against random jobbers which the TNA commentating crew played off as a "winning streak". This escalated into him going over in singles matches over Sting and Kurt Angle while he received chants of "You Can't Wrestle". TNA shoved him down viewers throats despite the fact that he couldn't cut a promo, his in-ring skills were lackluster and his matches generally sucked. TNA commentators kept playing up his "Undefeated streak" [when will TNA stop doing this?] despite the fact that EC3 would get his ass kicked in the majority of his matches and would only win by sheer dumb luck or by outside interference. Even in Tag matches, he was never the one to be pinned or submitted. In 2014, he was put in a extremely pointless feud with former tag partner Rockstar Spud where he introduced fellow WWE bum B̶r̶o̶d̶u̶s̶ ̶C̶l̶a̶y̶ Tyrus as his bodyguard, resulting in 2 on 1 handicap matches or tag matches against Spud which all ended with the same result- Spud getting pinned. He then trasitioned into yet another pointless feud with Mr Anderson which took up alot of screentime despite nobody caring. He was never really booked as a major threat like a serious heel would be and was booked more like a heel version of S̶a̶n̶t̶i̶n̶o̶ ̶M̶a̶r̶e̶l̶l̶a̶ any comedic jobber. This culminated on the July 1st 2015 episode of Impact where EC3 reversed a Angle Slam into a rollup pin-therefore winning the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. If the belt didn't mean anything before, it doesn't now. This was not only in the same breath as David Arquette winning the WCW World Heavyweight Championship, but goes to show that TNA would put the belt on a jobber if it meant he used to be with WWE" Source: taimapedia.org/index.php?title=LOLTNA_History#Ethan_Carter_III_.5BEC3.5D-TNA_World_ChampionIt got removed...you can tell that whoever wrote that is very biased against EC3 and was grasping at straw as to why EC3 championship reign is loltna material.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 6, 2015 21:12:07 GMT -5
Good it was removed, at least.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 6, 2015 21:24:10 GMT -5
Unemployment will go down 79% And then go up 1% come September.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 7, 2015 0:40:16 GMT -5
I'm not a big EC3 fan by any means, but he deserves the belt, I'm just sad that the office is gonna TNA him sooner or later. Like Tyrus is gonna squash him eventually.
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