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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 24, 2015 8:18:06 GMT -5
Call me old school, but I do believe in getting paid when you are hired to do a job. As far as I know it isn't like Bischoff's and Hervey kicked in the office door, and held the office hostage to get the job. That bird is a helluva contract negotiator. "Don'tchu worry E. We'll get you your $."
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 24, 2015 8:30:01 GMT -5
That doesn't mean that he isn't legally entitled to the money that is contractually owed to him. Legally yes, morally no. If I burnt down a friend's house I'd probably not ask them for that £30 I lent them. And you'd be in jail for arson. What Bischoff did is comparable to a sports team signing someone to a huge contract, and that guys just completely sucks (with no legal troubles). The team still has to pay him as long as he's still on the team. They can't just say "Well you sucked, and we wasted money signing you, so you don't get that guaranteed money."
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Post by Woo on May 24, 2015 9:43:25 GMT -5
Legally yes, morally no. If I burnt down a friend's house I'd probably not ask them for that £30 I lent them. And you'd be in jail for arson. What Bischoff did is comparable to a sports team signing someone to a huge contract, and that guys just completely sucks (with no legal troubles). The team still has to pay him as long as he's still on the team. They can't just say "Well you sucked, and we wasted money signing you, so you don't get that guaranteed money." Well in my analogy I had burnt it down by accident. I don't think Hogan and Bischoff meant to destroy TNA, they just didn't care if they did or not. So it would be more like Dixie hiring Eric to build her a new kitchen that he promised would be amazing and then he burnt the whole house down and asked for money. But as others have pointed out the fact that Dixie still extended his contract while his and Hogan's flames were still burning down her company (which I didn't know actually happened, seriously that woman is the makes incompetent person alive) means she doesn't have an out. In all honestly had she just listened to men I shook her hand and said "Hogan is going to kill your company" in 2009 she might not be in this position (though she would have most likely ended up hiring someone else just as useless), but I take joy in only a figurative "I told you so", but a literal one as the next time I shook her hand I actually told her that I was right.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on May 24, 2015 10:15:41 GMT -5
People seem to be confused as to whether or not someone is legally owed previously negotiated compensation versus whether or not you're worth that previously negotiated compensation in the first place. But if you're dumb enough to agree to a legally binding contract with someone who might not be worth that much money in the first place, then you get what you deserve. Consider it a "schmuck tax".
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 11:21:48 GMT -5
TNA is taking their obsession with ECW nostalgia to a whole new level.
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Post by joeiscool on May 24, 2015 11:32:30 GMT -5
Plus, you know, at a point in time his contract ran out and she renewed it, implying she was satisfied with the work he was doing. That's the biggest thing. If TNA thought he did not deliver and did not deserve to be paid, they could have taken him to court or otherwise tried to settle it. You don't just not pay them. It's hard to win in a case like that involving artistic expression/performance. Most performers contracts are basically "I make an art piece you pay me" You have to prove that either they didn't do the job. (I.e he never showed up, or produced any content for them) or they tried to suck. Things like quality rarely come into play. You cannot say they did their job, but I didn't think it was good enough. Only thing that they could have done is maybe said they would pay them if the ratings got higher, but I don't see ANY reputable company doing such a thing
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on May 24, 2015 16:36:14 GMT -5
If they didn't intend to pay, they should have fired them.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 24, 2015 17:25:04 GMT -5
That's the biggest thing. If TNA thought he did not deliver and did not deserve to be paid, they could have taken him to court or otherwise tried to settle it. You don't just not pay them. It's hard to win in a case like that involving artistic expression/performance. Most performers contracts are basically "I make an art piece you pay me" You have to prove that either they didn't do the job. (I.e he never showed up, or produced any content for them) or they tried to suck. Things like quality rarely come into play. You cannot say they did their job, but I didn't think it was good enough. Only thing that they could have done is maybe said they would pay them if the ratings got higher, but I don't see ANY reputable company doing such a thing I agree, I am just saying that it would still have been a better option than "maybe if we don't pay them, they won't notice".
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Post by Chainsaw on May 24, 2015 18:48:36 GMT -5
If they didn't intend to pay, they should have fired them. If they were contracted, Bischoff would have gotten them for breach of contract. They probably could only let the contract run out. It sounds like the issue is, TNA thought what they paid at the end was enough under the contract, Bischoff says otherwise. More than likely, TNA do not have a Jerry McDevitt type there to make sure contracts are tight, and something slipped by. Although I can easily believe that TNA would either be too incompetent to notice an issue, or they really did have no intention of paying.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on May 24, 2015 18:58:53 GMT -5
If they didn't intend to pay, they should have fired them. If they were contracted, Bischoff would have gotten them for breach of contract. They probably could only let the contract run out. It sounds like the issue is, TNA thought what they paid at the end was enough under the contract, Bischoff says otherwise. More than likely, TNA do not have a Jerry McDevitt type there to make sure contracts are tight, and something slipped by. Although I can easily believe that TNA would either be too incompetent to notice an issue, or they really did have no intention of paying. This is the company that didn't pay their production team for The last set of tapings until they showed up for this set of tapings... So I have no idea.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on May 25, 2015 5:05:00 GMT -5
One can hope that both Bischoff and TNA can try sue each other into oblivion and then after that f*** off.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 25, 2015 14:35:41 GMT -5
Eric should work for Ian Rotten, he pays on time, he's a better businessman than Dixie
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on May 26, 2015 3:37:01 GMT -5
Eric should work for Ian Rotten, he pays on time, he's a better businessman than Dixie Well, Ian at least has a pizza oven, so he can offer catering...
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Post by MrElijah on May 28, 2015 10:52:37 GMT -5
Heenan: Do you how quick it is to go through 6 million?
Tony: Can't say that I do.
Heenan: OK, let's try this: do you know how quick it is to go through 9 bucks and a can of spam?
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