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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 26, 2015 3:17:37 GMT -5
Has there ever been a less tense match in the open challenge though? No. We knew Cena was winning, but it was nice that a wrestler on Ryder's level of the pecking order got to put on a decent showing.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 3:21:30 GMT -5
I kinda don't care if I know Cena's winning as long as the match is good, has good moments and storylines come into play pre/post match. Ryder's 450 at his height and weight is nice. He did well.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 26, 2015 3:22:13 GMT -5
I am kind of fine with some of the matches being somewhat foregone, Cena's match with Cody was really damn good, and it's not like he was realistically going to beat Cena, either.
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Post by Emmet Russell on May 26, 2015 5:36:03 GMT -5
Has there ever been a less tense match in the open challenge though? No. We knew Cena was winning, but it was nice that a wrestler on Ryder's level of the pecking order got to put on a decent showing. The main problem with if was that it was impossible to suspend disbelief. Ryder is a complete jobber and him getting any offence in on Cena was laughable. At home, I was bored beyond belief with the match because it was just Cena vs. a known loser. I feared Ryder was going to kick out of an AA and I was going to have to laugh myself to death.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 26, 2015 5:39:24 GMT -5
No. We knew Cena was winning, but it was nice that a wrestler on Ryder's level of the pecking order got to put on a decent showing. The main problem with if was that it was impossible to suspend disbelief. Ryder is a complete jobber and him getting any offence in on Cena was laughable. At home, I was bored beyond belief with the match because it was just Cena vs. a known loser. I feared Ryder was going to kick out of an AA and I was going to have to laugh myself to death. Especially since it's likely that the next week they'll job out to Comedy Dancin' Rusev so fast you'd think his name was Shelton.
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Post by Sephiroth on May 26, 2015 5:43:00 GMT -5
Woo woo woo he blew it!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 26, 2015 5:50:33 GMT -5
No. We knew Cena was winning, but it was nice that a wrestler on Ryder's level of the pecking order got to put on a decent showing. The main problem with if was that it was impossible to suspend disbelief. Ryder is a complete jobber and him getting any offence in on Cena was laughable. At home, I was bored beyond belief with the match because it was just Cena vs. a known loser. I feared Ryder was going to kick out of an AA and I was going to have to laugh myself to death. So Ryder shouldn't be allowed to look strong ever?
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Post by Emmet Russell on May 26, 2015 6:22:58 GMT -5
The main problem with if was that it was impossible to suspend disbelief. Ryder is a complete jobber and him getting any offence in on Cena was laughable. At home, I was bored beyond belief with the match because it was just Cena vs. a known loser. I feared Ryder was going to kick out of an AA and I was going to have to laugh myself to death. So Ryder shouldn't be allowed to look strong ever? Not against Cena, no. If they want to build him up, do it against lower card guys. Him losing on superstars to having a back-and-forth match on Raw for ten minutes with John fricken Cena on Raw where he gets multiple near falls is very unbelievable. I went and got food because there was zero doubt about the ending. It'd be like it Barry Horowitz dominated a match with Hulk Hogan.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 26, 2015 7:02:17 GMT -5
So Ryder shouldn't be allowed to look strong ever? Not against Cena, no. If they want to build him up, do it against lower card guys. Him losing on superstars to having a back-and-forth match on Raw for ten minutes with John fricken Cena on Raw where he gets multiple near falls is very unbelievable. I went and got food because there was zero doubt about the ending. It'd be like it Barry Horowitz dominated a match with Hulk Hogan. Let me put it this way. In Rocky, Rocky didn't get a title match because he deserved it. On paper, he didn't. He was just a local to sell a match and to give Apollo Creed a novelty match. What Apollo couldn't have predicted is the fire it'd light under Rocky's ass to just about kill himself to try and win that boxing match, because he didn't deserve it, and would never get that chance again. Ryder had a chance against Cena, arguably the biggest name in wrestling right now, period. It should make him fight harder, it should make him pull out all the stops, it should make him push himself harder than he would against, like, Adam Rose, because even if he injured himself, it'd be worth it if he won. Don't get me wrong, I am glad he didn't win, but TAKA taking Triple H to the limit didn't kill Triple H, Kurt Angle took nearfalls from Crash Holly or Essa Rios without losing credibility, it's the Apollo Creed "This is going to be easy" humbling, because that's a story people tend to eat up.
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on May 26, 2015 7:44:21 GMT -5
Not against Cena, no. If they want to build him up, do it against lower card guys. Him losing on superstars to having a back-and-forth match on Raw for ten minutes with John fricken Cena on Raw where he gets multiple near falls is very unbelievable. I went and got food because there was zero doubt about the ending. It'd be like it Barry Horowitz dominated a match with Hulk Hogan. Let me put it this way. In Rocky, Rocky didn't get a title match because he deserved it. On paper, he didn't. He was just a local to sell a match and to give Apollo Creed a novelty match. What Apollo couldn't have predicted is the fire it'd light under Rocky's ass to just about kill himself to try and win that boxing match, because he didn't deserve it, and would never get that chance again. Ryder had a chance against Cena, arguably the biggest name in wrestling right now, period. It should make him fight harder, it should make him pull out all the stops, it should make him push himself harder than he would against, like, Adam Rose, because even if he injured himself, it'd be worth it if he won. Don't get me wrong, I am glad he didn't win, but TAKA taking Triple H to the limit didn't kill Triple H, Kurt Angle took nearfalls from Crash Holly or Essa Rios without losing credibility, it's the Apollo Creed "This is going to be easy" humbling, because that's a story people tend to eat up. Here's the issue with your analogy.
In WWE, there is never a Rocky 2. John Cena predictably wins, the opponent looks good for one week, and is than moved back into midcard purgatory and John Cena moves onto the next.
There is no follow-up in WWE, where a Zack Ryder or a Sami Zayn (injury notwithstanding) gets another shot at the title and shocks the world.
Because this is WWE and John Cena we're talking about.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 26, 2015 8:14:13 GMT -5
"Welp, I'm not getting on TV for another 6 months if I'm lucky, might as well try a 450."
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 26, 2015 8:15:30 GMT -5
I thought that told an awesome story of Ryder going above himself in desperation to beat Cena. Yeah, I thought that was a really fun match. Easily the best match Ryder's had since he won the US title. Has there ever been a less tense match in the open challenge though? Honestly, I enjoyed that more than pretty much any of these open challenges other than the Zayn one. Too many of these matches are just "which midcarder gets to have their moveset kicked out of by John Cena tonight!?" A lot of the drama falls flat, imo. That's not what happened here. They actually did something different and it was a much more believable story because of it. Certainly more believable than f***ing Stardust or Barrett beating Cena in a fair fight when he kicks out of literally everything they do.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on May 26, 2015 12:11:43 GMT -5
Now that I'm done marking out...nope, sorry, still marking out. My favorite wrestler got an actual storyline if for only one night where he did his best to take down the most overpowered wrestler in the world. Don't care about anything else, from a markish viewpoint that was really nice to see.
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Post by Rican on May 26, 2015 12:24:57 GMT -5
I loved the whole match. Yeah, we knew Cena was gonna win but it was cool that Ryder got to shine for a little while. I've been over him for a while but was a huge fan years ago and it was cool to see him get a moment.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on May 26, 2015 12:47:42 GMT -5
I'm just glad that they didn't turn it into WrestleMania 29 and somehow have Ryder kick out of two or three AA's. One AA to put him down is all it should have taken.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 12:49:30 GMT -5
That Broski Boot was stiff as fug though. That survives and Curb Stomp is banned.
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Post by Push R Truth on May 26, 2015 12:56:48 GMT -5
Ryder was still holding back, the 450 isn't even his best aerial move:
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on May 26, 2015 13:12:53 GMT -5
Here's the issue with your analogy.
In WWE, there is never a Rocky 2. John Cena predictably wins, the opponent looks good for one week, and is than moved back into midcard purgatory and John Cena moves onto the next.
There is no follow-up in WWE, where a Zack Ryder or a Sami Zayn (injury notwithstanding) gets another shot at the title and shocks the world.
Because this is WWE and John Cena we're talking about.
That's not really an issue, though, because Rocky 2 is a terrible movie. Having him win the belt in the second match was Mary Sue fanfiction shit.
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Post by Bo Rida on May 26, 2015 13:48:08 GMT -5
After seeing that I think Bo needs to give Zack a little motivational talk, if he had just Boleived he could have hit the move faster.
Zack needs a career boost and the motivation he could get from becoming a Broleiver and forming a tag-team could be just what he needs, imagine the zany Bo/Bro based hijinks they could get up to.
Are You Serious Bo?
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