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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 1, 2015 16:11:33 GMT -5
Oh no. The fake record for holding a fake title? Im outraged that it might possibly happen maybe. The Vince Russo Mentality. It's all fake, so none of it matters. Records though? For a title that meant nothing? It's nothing worth getting mad or 'scared' over. Stuff matters but nothing that happens on a TV show matters THAT much. This. If it doesn't matter, why the f*** are you even watching? Because I enjoy the matches and storytelling. I can appreciate it all but acknowledge that it's a TV show. I don't get mad at TV shows.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 16:15:34 GMT -5
Huhuhu. Funny. Still the best in the division. Vastly underrated by everyone on here. I've seen some of her recent matches. She's still not very good. No distinct ring psychology, saw her sell a neckbreaker by grabbing her back, no effective interaction with the crowd, etc. There's one thing she knows how to do and it's offensive spots. What does that say about the division if she's allegedly the best they have to offer? Not much. I think she's really stepped her presence up and has a more defined, powerhouse style, and I give her lots of credit for that. It's also helped her out on the mic, though she's much better off as a heel, tweener at most. There's still holes in her game though, which you pointed out. I'm impressed with her improvement, but I think just how good she is gets overblown a bit. As you say, the standards are not high right now. I don't think Naomi's very good either. Paige was better when she had a style, now she's...I don't even know, it's just not working for her.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 16:24:21 GMT -5
It's pointlessly petty enough that I could easily see WWE doing it. But on the other hand they don't seem to have any ill-will towards AJ, so who knows. This. Folks act like they treated her like some sort of pariah whilst she was in the company, but face facts, she was legit one of the biggest divas(impact wise, she was tiny physically) for years, was in Main Event angles alongside Bryan & Punk and dominated the division for absolutely ages. Face facts folks, she was the Triple H of the Divas division. I'm not a massive fan of hers, but I can acknowledge that she had a massive impact, and probably kickstarted the resurgence of the division that's brewing in NXT at the moment. It's toned down now, but the continual martyrdom of AJ fans whilst she was at her biggest was legit one of my least favourite things ever on this board, and caused me to abandon the WWE section for a while. Folks acting like she was some scrappy under-dog who was held down by "the man" whilst she squashed everyone in the division, buried them on the mic and had the longest divas title reign ever was maddening. But hey, as long as they can have their "alternative" diva who WWE obviously doesn't want them to like instead of the Bellas, they're happy right? Sticking it to the man and shit. Well, shit. That came off as a bit more rant-y than I expected. Still, my point stands, folks need to quit acting like AJ was some oppressed party that never got a chance. She got THE chance, and she ran with it, and proved that she was the best in-ring and on the mic at the time. Not at acting though, oy vey. Anyway, Nikki's a good wrestler. Compare how she was a couple of years ago, she's gone from terrible to passable mid-card level wrestling. And that's saying something. And I have a massive weakness for the whole jock-bully vibe she's got going on. Hot-damn. Literally have no recollection of anyone saying AJ didn't get a chance. She was on top of the division for 2 years, and before that was all the f*** over Raw running the show. People have said she was written poorly, as in her character being awful, but that's completely different, based more on ineptitude than disdain for AJ. The reason people think petty shit might happen involving AJ is because she's married to CM Punk, and that situation has been nothing but petty. You're taking that into an unrelated direction to rant against something that doesn't exist.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 1, 2015 17:15:30 GMT -5
The Vince Russo Mentality. It's all fake, so none of it matters. Records though? For a title that meant nothing? It's nothing worth getting mad or 'scared' over. Stuff matters but nothing that happens on a TV show matters THAT much. This. If it doesn't matter, why the f*** are you even watching? Because I enjoy the matches and storytelling. I can appreciate it all but acknowledge that it's a TV show. I don't get mad at TV shows. Technically none of the titles mean anything by that defintion. The world title is no more real or legitimate than the butterfly belt.
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Post by Woo on Jun 1, 2015 17:20:57 GMT -5
I know some people here pretend that Nikki Bella is a talented wrestler, but to say she's the best in the division?! Wow, that's just plain crazy!
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jun 1, 2015 17:21:46 GMT -5
This. Folks act like they treated her like some sort of pariah whilst she was in the company, but face facts, she was legit one of the biggest divas(impact wise, she was tiny physically) for years, was in Main Event angles alongside Bryan & Punk and dominated the division for absolutely ages. Face facts folks, she was the Triple H of the Divas division. I'm not a massive fan of hers, but I can acknowledge that she had a massive impact, and probably kickstarted the resurgence of the division that's brewing in NXT at the moment. It's toned down now, but the continual martyrdom of AJ fans whilst she was at her biggest was legit one of my least favourite things ever on this board, and caused me to abandon the WWE section for a while. Folks acting like she was some scrappy under-dog who was held down by "the man" whilst she squashed everyone in the division, buried them on the mic and had the longest divas title reign ever was maddening. But hey, as long as they can have their "alternative" diva who WWE obviously doesn't want them to like instead of the Bellas, they're happy right? Sticking it to the man and shit. Well, shit. That came off as a bit more rant-y than I expected. Still, my point stands, folks need to quit acting like AJ was some oppressed party that never got a chance. She got THE chance, and she ran with it, and proved that she was the best in-ring and on the mic at the time. Not at acting though, oy vey. Anyway, Nikki's a good wrestler. Compare how she was a couple of years ago, she's gone from terrible to passable mid-card level wrestling. And that's saying something. And I have a massive weakness for the whole jock-bully vibe she's got going on. Hot-damn. Literally have no recollection of anyone saying AJ didn't get a chance. She was on top of the division for 2 years, and before that was all the f*** over Raw running the show. People have said she was written poorly, as in her character being awful, but that's completely different, based more on ineptitude than disdain for AJ. The reason people think petty shit might happen involving AJ is because she's married to CM Punk, and that situation has been nothing but petty. You're taking that into an unrelated direction to rant against something that doesn't exist. Legit every time she lost to the Bellas, whether it be screwy or clean, folks would claim it was the beginning of a burial, and that they'd only pushed her to get crushed by the Bellas so they could elevate them at her expense etc. Likesay, she was practically a martyr around these parts at times.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Jun 1, 2015 17:28:45 GMT -5
I know some people here pretend that Nikki Bella is a talented wrestler, but to say she's the best in the division?! Wow, that's just plain crazy! At this point I'm just expecting someone to say that Fandango or Sin Cara deserve a run with the WWEWHC.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 1, 2015 17:31:31 GMT -5
I know some people here pretend that Nikki Bella is a talented wrestler, but to say she's the best in the division?! Wow, that's just plain crazy! At this point I'm just expecting someone to say that Fandango or Sin Cara deserve a run with the WWEWHC. Not with how half assed Sin Cara's arm pointing he doesn't!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 17:33:26 GMT -5
I know some people here pretend that Nikki Bella is a talented wrestler, but to say she's the best in the division?! Wow, that's just plain crazy! At this point I'm just expecting someone to say that Fandango or Sin Cara deserve a run with the WWEWHC. DON'T EVER TALK SHIT ABOUT FANDANGO!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 17:40:05 GMT -5
Literally have no recollection of anyone saying AJ didn't get a chance. She was on top of the division for 2 years, and before that was all the f*** over Raw running the show. People have said she was written poorly, as in her character being awful, but that's completely different, based more on ineptitude than disdain for AJ. The reason people think petty shit might happen involving AJ is because she's married to CM Punk, and that situation has been nothing but petty. You're taking that into an unrelated direction to rant against something that doesn't exist. Legit every time she lost to the Bellas, whether it be screwy or clean, folks would claim it was the beginning of a burial, and that they'd only pushed her to get crushed by the Bellas so they could elevate them at her expense etc. Likesay, she was practically a martyr around these parts at times. Isn't that pretty much everyone with their favorites? That's different from saying she never got a shot, that's being worried that the rug will get pulled out at any second. Damien Sandow and Cesaro fans know that this happens.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 1, 2015 17:40:20 GMT -5
Records though? For a title that meant nothing? It's nothing worth getting mad or 'scared' over. Stuff matters but nothing that happens on a TV show matters THAT much. Because I enjoy the matches and storytelling. I can appreciate it all but acknowledge that it's a TV show. I don't get mad at TV shows. Technically none of the titles mean anything by that defintion. The world title is no more real or legitimate than the butterfly belt. Sure it is, in a kayfabe sense because it's written to be that way and has the faux history and 'great battles' to back it up. The Divas belt has almost never been booked to matter at all; not in kayfabe or otherwise.
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Post by Woo on Jun 1, 2015 17:40:51 GMT -5
I know some people here pretend that Nikki Bella is a talented wrestler, but to say she's the best in the division?! Wow, that's just plain crazy! At this point I'm just expecting someone to say that Fandango or Sin Cara deserve a run with the WWEWHC. Fandango is awesome and Sin Cara is pretty great though! Unlike Nikki Bella who's had everything given to her on a plate those two have been constantly screwed by WWE creative. I'd love to see Fandango get a serious push, or I'd be happy if we randomly got Seth Rollins vs Fandango on Raw like how we got HHH vs Taka randomly in 2000.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 1, 2015 17:41:13 GMT -5
I know some people here pretend that Nikki Bella is a talented wrestler, but to say she's the best in the division?! Wow, that's just plain crazy! f***ing opinions, how do they work?
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 1, 2015 17:45:21 GMT -5
Technically none of the titles mean anything by that defintion. The world title is no more real or legitimate than the butterfly belt. Sure it is, in a kayfabe sense because it's written to be that way and has the faux history and 'great battles' to back it up. The Divas belt has almost never been booked to matter at all; not in kayfabe or otherwise. It doesn't matter. It's all "fake". Neither of them are legitimate. This is why suspension of disbelief comes with the territory. If a person doesn't apply it, there's no point watching any scripted form of entertainment.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Jun 1, 2015 17:47:44 GMT -5
I know some people here pretend that Nikki Bella is a talented wrestler, but to say she's the best in the division?! Wow, that's just plain crazy! f***ing opinions, how do they work? You know damn well you wouldn't type that if someone said that Gunner vs Mr. Anderson was the rivalry that could save TNA.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jun 1, 2015 17:53:28 GMT -5
You guys are mean. Nikki Bella is my boo. Slut
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 1, 2015 17:54:55 GMT -5
f***ing opinions, how do they work? You know damn well you wouldn't type that if someone said that Gunner vs Mr. Anderson was the rivalry that could save TNA. I'd react in disbelief but I wouldn't outright say they were "pretending" to think. I don't know, that's just really snobbish phrasing to me. I dog AJ a ton but at no point did I ever say that people "pretended" to like her and think she was entertaining. With the example you provided, you can pick apart from a pure objective standpoint why it wouldn't be the rivalry to save TNA. How can you objectively say it's impossible for people to like someone's in-ring work?
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jun 1, 2015 18:02:15 GMT -5
f***ing opinions, how do they work? You know damn well you wouldn't type that if someone said that Gunner vs Mr. Anderson was the rivalry that could save TNA. f***ing Gunner is always the exception to the rule. Legit every time she lost to the Bellas, whether it be screwy or clean, folks would claim it was the beginning of a burial, and that they'd only pushed her to get crushed by the Bellas so they could elevate them at her expense etc. Likesay, she was practically a martyr around these parts at times. Isn't that pretty much everyone with their favorites? That's different from saying she never got a shot, that's being worried that the rug will get pulled out at any second. Damien Sandow and Cesaro fans know that this happens. That's true, but this was when she was getting pushed to the moon and seemingly had no intention of stopping. Some folks were so damn misanthropic that they'd refuse to celebrate the fact she was doing well, because they assumed it was all for naught simply to feed her to the Bellas. Which is why her losing to Paige was kinda vindicating, because it proved that they were just being daft about it all.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Jun 1, 2015 18:04:30 GMT -5
You know damn well you wouldn't type that if someone said that Gunner vs Mr. Anderson was the rivalry that could save TNA. I'd react in disbelief but I wouldn't outright say they were "pretending" to think. I don't know, that's just really snobbish phrasing to me. I dog AJ a ton but at no point did I ever say that people "pretended" to like her and think she was entertaining. With the example you provided, you can pick apart from a pure objective standpoint why it wouldn't be the rivalry to save TNA. How can you objectively say it's impossible for people to like someone's in-ring work? I wouldn't go as far as to say that anyone's "pretending" to like someone, but sometimes you just read something that makes you go:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 18:34:20 GMT -5
You know damn well you wouldn't type that if someone said that Gunner vs Mr. Anderson was the rivalry that could save TNA. f***ing Gunner is always the exception to the rule. Isn't that pretty much everyone with their favorites? That's different from saying she never got a shot, that's being worried that the rug will get pulled out at any second. Damien Sandow and Cesaro fans know that this happens. That's true, but this was when she was getting pushed to the moon and seemingly had no intention of stopping. Some folks were so damn misanthropic that they'd refuse to celebrate the fact she was doing well, because they assumed it was all for naught simply to feed her to the Bellas. Which is why her losing to Paige was kinda vindicating, because it proved that they were just being daft about it all. Yeah, that kind of tied in with the Bellas being Cena and Bryan's ladies as well. Being that negative is usually a defense mechanism against true disappointment. I don't like that line of thinking, I think it's defeatist and dishonest. But I don't see AJ's fanbase being particularly bad about that. The info's all there, I guess we just see it different ways.
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