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Post by mcstoklasa on Jun 18, 2015 11:18:44 GMT -5
So Brock is a killing machine now. Well, I mean he always was, even in his 2002-2004 run he was pretty damn unstoppable. Since beating Undertaker at WrestleMania 30, Brock has become literally superhuman (in kayfabe), and is presented as such. Fans love to cheer for this beast of a man, believing him to be unbeatable. Hell, even before defeating Taker at Mania, Brock still defeated the likes of Triple H, Big Show, and Cm Punk. After beating Undertaker, he would beat Cena, Rollins and Cena in a three way and destroy Reigns before Rollins cashed in on them. When he walks out in an arena, the crowd knows shit is about to go down, that Brock can't be stopped. Yet does the knowledge of the prior HHH feud ruin this? As in, sure he's unbeatable now, but he lost to Triple H and was made to look considerably weaker (than he is now). As in sure Lesnar can beat everyone, but HHH, if he wanted to, could beat Brock. He was still pretty dominant since his 2012 return, but it was only from 2014 that he became truly terrifying. He was almost booked as just another guy before then, and it just annoys me, because if they would have planned ahead, and not had him lose to a basically retired Triple H (and Cena, to be fair), he could be seen as even more of a threat now. So my question is; Did Trips permanently ruin Brock's mystique? Even just a little bit.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 18, 2015 11:19:53 GMT -5
Lesnar's got more mystique NOW than he did even before that feud.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 11:20:29 GMT -5
No.
I'm someone who watches the product alot and I can barely remember his match or fued with HHH.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jun 18, 2015 11:20:43 GMT -5
I think you really answer your own question in the beginning of your post. Of course he didn't--not even a little bit.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jun 18, 2015 11:23:52 GMT -5
He didn't ruin it, but he certainly damaged it for a while. You could argue that without that feud, Lesnar didn't need to beat the streak.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 18, 2015 11:24:04 GMT -5
Nope.
Brock is Brock.
There is very little they could do to stop him from being seen as a massive threat to anybody.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 18, 2015 11:25:13 GMT -5
No, neither did Cena. Let's be serious, Brock is booked like King Kong with t-rex heads for hands. He is booked as arguably the most potent monster heel that has ever wrestled on a mainstream scale. If you took New Day and gave each one of them a steel chair, they would be seen as operating at a disadvantage. Vader in WCW doesn't touch Brock's push as a monster, Undertaker outside of Wrestlemania is probably easier to pin than Brock. In his entire WWE career, he has been pinned or submitted, what, a dozen times, tops? No, his mystique is well intact.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 11:25:28 GMT -5
Nope, Brock just had to break Taker's streak to regain an aura he already should've had.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 18, 2015 11:26:52 GMT -5
By the way, Triple H and Cena each beat him once. Praytell, what happened the other times he wrestled them?
No, his mystique is hilariously intact.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Jun 18, 2015 11:28:33 GMT -5
In general his booking then didn't make sense. Cheating against CM Punk for example, they were just going about the character all wrong, against any opponent. Luckily they've been booking him so masterfully lately that no harm was done.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jun 18, 2015 11:33:14 GMT -5
In general his booking then didn't make sense. Cheating against CM Punk for example, they were just going about the character all wrong, against any opponent. Luckily they've been booking him so masterfully lately that no harm was done. This is my point. It's only since 2014 he's been booked this way. I don't even think it was a bad idea having him lose to Cena on his return because he was so dominant in what was a truly unique match that it didn't hurt him too bad.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jun 18, 2015 11:35:49 GMT -5
Nope, Brock just had to break Taker's streak to regain an aura he already should've had. If he had just lost to Taker though?
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jun 18, 2015 11:36:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 11:37:47 GMT -5
Before beating Taker, yes.
After beating Taker? I think the stench of the HHH feud has subsided.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Jun 18, 2015 11:42:01 GMT -5
In general his booking then didn't make sense. Cheating against CM Punk for example, they were just going about the character all wrong, against any opponent. Luckily they've been booking him so masterfully lately that no harm was done. This is my point. It's only since 2014 he's been booked this way. I don't even think it was a bad idea having him lose to Cena on his return because he was so dominant in what was a truly unique match that it didn't hurt him too bad. Random example, wrestling fans are cheering for Orton, even wanting him to win the Money in the Bank ladder match the other night. When just two years ago he won the match and cashed in on Daniel Bryan, and just a year ago at WrestleMania he was the most despised heel. He was an annoying cheating heel champ for so long, but now fans love him. Brock's been a monster for a year, and Heyman did his best to explain that before that wasn't Brock at 100%, he was at 50%. Plus, I don't think most of the audience really needs that explanation, the narrative of wrestling is pretty fluid and continuity is often a bit light. I agree that Brock's booking before was wasting his potential, but I don't think it has hurt him currently. They managed to turn it around to full effect I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 11:45:00 GMT -5
Nope, Brock just had to break Taker's streak to regain an aura he already should've had. If he had just lost to Taker though? At that point Brock would've been 3-3 with all but one win due to interference. Of course, if he goes away until Summerslam then comes back and kills John Cena out of nowhere, he would've got his mystique back...until Cena "ALMOST!" made Brock tap-out/get pinned a month later.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 18, 2015 11:45:13 GMT -5
they did try and explain that Brock was at 50% back then
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jun 18, 2015 11:45:28 GMT -5
This is my point. It's only since 2014 he's been booked this way. I don't even think it was a bad idea having him lose to Cena on his return because he was so dominant in what was a truly unique match that it didn't hurt him too bad. Random example, wrestling fans are cheering for Orton, even wanting him to win the Money in the Bank ladder match the other night. When just two years ago he won the match and cashed in on Daniel Bryan, and just a year ago at WrestleMania he was the most despised heel. He was an annoying cheating heel champ for so long, but now fans love him. Brock's been a monster for a year, and Heyman did his best to explain that before that wasn't Brock at 100%, he was at 50%. Plus, I don't think most of the audience really needs that explanation, the narrative of wrestling is pretty fluid and continuity is often a bit light. I agree that Brock's booking before was wasting his potential, but I don't think it has hurt him currently. They managed to turn it around to full effect I think. Good post. He is now recovered from diverticulitus and/or abosrbed Taker's powers after beating the streak
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 18, 2015 11:45:46 GMT -5
No, neither did Cena. Let's be serious, Brock is booked like King Kong with t-rex heads for hands. He is booked as arguably the most potent monster heel that has ever wrestled on a mainstream scale. If you took New Day and gave each one of them a steel chair, they would be seen as operating at a disadvantage. Vader in WCW doesn't touch Brock's push as a monster, Undertaker outside of Wrestlemania is probably easier to pin than Brock. In his entire WWE career, he has been pinned or submitted, what, a dozen times, tops? No, his mystique is well intact. CLEAN Losses off the top of my head: Angle via tapout. HHH at Mania Cena at Extreme Rules Seth at Mania
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 18, 2015 11:48:46 GMT -5
No, neither did Cena. Let's be serious, Brock is booked like King Kong with t-rex heads for hands. He is booked as arguably the most potent monster heel that has ever wrestled on a mainstream scale. If you took New Day and gave each one of them a steel chair, they would be seen as operating at a disadvantage. Vader in WCW doesn't touch Brock's push as a monster, Undertaker outside of Wrestlemania is probably easier to pin than Brock. In his entire WWE career, he has been pinned or submitted, what, a dozen times, tops? No, his mystique is well intact. CLEAN Losses off the top of my head: Angle via tapout. HHH at Mania Cena at Extreme Rules Seth at Mania And Goldberg at Mania, as well.
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