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Post by Savage Gambino on Jul 1, 2015 8:54:54 GMT -5
Rusev is the face in all of this. I cant see anything at all likeable about Lana or Dolph at all. Yeah, I know the whole "the face is an asshole/the heel is right" shtick is played out, but it can not be expressed enough just how unlikable Dolph and Lana are right now. I mean, at this point, it would actually be more beneficial for all involved for there to be a double turn with Ziggler turning out to be the manipulative, controlling bastard and Rusev coming to the rescue of Lana.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 1, 2015 8:57:06 GMT -5
I'm sure I've said this multiple times, but this better end in a heel version of Macho Man and Miss Elizabeth.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jul 1, 2015 9:08:22 GMT -5
Rusev is the face in all of this. I cant see anything at all likeable about Lana or Dolph at all. Yeah, I know the whole "the face is an asshole/the heel is right" shtick is played out, but it can not be expressed enough just how unlikable Dolph and Lana are right now. I mean, at this point, it would actually be more beneficial for all involved for there to be a double turn with Ziggler turning out to be the manipulative, controlling bastard and Rusev coming to the rescue of Lana. NO RUSEV IS NO WAY THE FACE. If he just moved on instead of confronting them they would be all in his face about the stupid relationship. Its Rusev who acted like the jerk to drive Lana away and he's the one still trying to get her back, punish Ziggler or make her jealous with Summer. In no way is Rusev acting like the face, right or sympathetic in this feud
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jul 1, 2015 9:28:58 GMT -5
Most of the storylines Rusev has been in on the main roster only make sense if you inherently hate anyone who has the audacity to not be from America.
*cough*Vince*cough*
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 1, 2015 9:36:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I know the whole "the face is an asshole/the heel is right" shtick is played out, but it can not be expressed enough just how unlikable Dolph and Lana are right now. I mean, at this point, it would actually be more beneficial for all involved for there to be a double turn with Ziggler turning out to be the manipulative, controlling bastard and Rusev coming to the rescue of Lana. NO RUSEV IS NO WAY THE FACE. If he just moved on instead of confronting them they would be all in his face about the stupid relationship. Its Rusev who acted like the jerk to drive Lana away and he's the one still trying to get her back, punish Ziggler or make her jealous with Summer. In no way is Rusev acting like the face, right or sympathetic in this feud I agree Rusev isn't a face...but they did the “treat her badly" boyfriend thing for like 2 weeks then spli them. Also Lana was still a heel to me until finally (poorly) she explained she was made to be awful and hate everyone? And Dolph just stole a guys girl and is rubbing it in his face and threatening a crippled guy. The whole thing just makes all of them look bad
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 9:39:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I know the whole "the face is an asshole/the heel is right" shtick is played out, but it can not be expressed enough just how unlikable Dolph and Lana are right now. I mean, at this point, it would actually be more beneficial for all involved for there to be a double turn with Ziggler turning out to be the manipulative, controlling bastard and Rusev coming to the rescue of Lana. NO RUSEV IS NO WAY THE FACE. If he just moved on instead of confronting them they would be all in his face about the stupid relationship. Its Rusev who acted like the jerk to drive Lana away and he's the one still trying to get her back, punish Ziggler or make her jealous with Summer. In no way is Rusev acting like the face, right or sympathetic in this feud That's where I'm at in all this. I don't feel bad for Rusev for a minute, but on the other side we're supposed to be OK with Dolph picking on an injured man about (among other things, especially Lana) being injured. Maybe there can be some "change of heart" moment and they can try to salvage Rusev as a face that way (not saying it would save the feud or make complete sense, that ship has sailed), but right now there is NO face in this feud. At least, not to me.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jul 1, 2015 9:41:06 GMT -5
NO RUSEV IS NO WAY THE FACE. If he just moved on instead of confronting them they would be all in his face about the stupid relationship. Its Rusev who acted like the jerk to drive Lana away and he's the one still trying to get her back, punish Ziggler or make her jealous with Summer. In no way is Rusev acting like the face, right or sympathetic in this feud I agree Rusev isn't a face...but they did the “treat her badly" boyfriend thing for like 2 weeks then spli them. Also Lana was still a heel to me until finally (poorly) she explained she was made to be awful and hate everyone? And Dolph just stole a guys girl and is rubbing it in his face and threatening a crippled guy. The whole thing just makes all of them look bad They were building it after the Cena loss where he was just angry and took it out on her. Also Ziggler wouldn't be rubbing it in his face if he didn't get in their face every damn time. Its hard to feel sorry for Rusev when he's the one who keeps going to talk to Lana or just yell at her or whatever. If he just went and stopped trying to get her back, make her jealous, or intimidate her then yeah it'd be rubbing it in his face but when its self inflicted anyone who thinks he's the face is just wrong.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 1, 2015 9:51:04 GMT -5
Everything about it is wrong.
Dolph looks like a heel. Lana looks awkward with him. Rusev seems sympathetic, and Summer seems reasonable for defending a wounded and obviously heartbroken man. Rusev is too awesome to dislike. His "kissing a ringpost" line was hilarious.
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Jul 1, 2015 9:51:05 GMT -5
Ummm Rusev is the guy who was supposedly treating Lana badly and Rusev has been the one attacking people and injuring them for over a year.
But yeah, let's all ignore that. Rusev injured his foot, so that negates all of that. Ziggler should've said "I'm sorry your foot is injured, Rusev. Let me buy you dinner!"
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Post by Hickster on Jul 1, 2015 9:53:00 GMT -5
I like the idea of Ziggler treating Lana poorly, it's the only out at this point. I'd love to see a vignette on Raw where Dolph took her to a bunch of Fourth of July parties and she had an American makeover.
Unfortunately, Ziggler is so beneath Rusev that it makes no sense for her to swerve him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 9:54:14 GMT -5
This is almost a cleaner version of that weird Val Venis/Dustin Runnels feud where Val stole Dustin's wife.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jul 1, 2015 9:54:20 GMT -5
Ummm Rusev is the guy who was supposedly treating Lana badly and Rusev has been the one attacking people and injuring them for over a year. But yeah, let's all ignore that. Rusev injured his foot, so that negates all of that. Ziggler should've said "I'm sorry your foot is injured, Rusev. Let me buy you dinner!" Also he should build and electric elevator to Lana's room's outside window so the injured Rusev could peer into her window everynight.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 1, 2015 10:01:16 GMT -5
Ummm Rusev is the guy who was supposedly treating Lana badly and Rusev has been the one attacking people and injuring them for over a year. But yeah, let's all ignore that. Rusev injured his foot, so that negates all of that. Ziggler should've said "I'm sorry your foot is injured, Rusev. Let me buy you dinner!" WWE make it clear that it's a hyper aggressive environment where only alpha males can thrive, so Rusev's actions are appropriate. As for arguing with Lana, it's hard to feel sympathetic for her, because she's even more radical than he is. For most of their time together she's been the one spouting pro-Putin/Russia rhetoric while Rusev stands there silently. The problem with Ziggler is that he just plain looks like a douche. He'd be the bully in every 1980's teen movie.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 1, 2015 10:14:41 GMT -5
Ummm Rusev is the guy who was supposedly treating Lana badly and Rusev has been the one attacking people and injuring them for over a year. But yeah, let's all ignore that. Rusev injured his foot, so that negates all of that. Ziggler should've said "I'm sorry your foot is injured, Rusev. Let me buy you dinner!" WWE make it clear that it's a hyper aggressive environment where only alpha males can thrive, so Rusev's actions are appropriate. As for arguing with Lana, it's hard to feel sympathetic for her, because she's even more radical than he is. For most of their time together she's been the one spouting pro-Putin/Russia rhetoric while Rusev stands there silently. The problem with Ziggler is that he just plain looks like a douche. He'd be the bully in every 1980's teen movie And now he even dresses like he's in a 1980s teen movie.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jul 1, 2015 10:34:54 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the angle to reach its natural conclusion. Which is everyone being worse off and less over than they were before it started.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Jul 1, 2015 10:41:42 GMT -5
I haven't read through the entire thread, but abysmal would be putting it kindly. The acting and storytelling in that segment was so putridly awful that I just couldn't take it and walked out of the room. Keep in mind I've been watching this company for 25 years almost, and I couldn't make it through this segment. It was that bad.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 1, 2015 10:55:40 GMT -5
This is almost a cleaner version of that weird Val Venis/Dustin Runnels feud where Val stole Dustin's wife. No one was the face there either right?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 10:59:03 GMT -5
This is almost a cleaner version of that weird Val Venis/Dustin Runnels feud where Val stole Dustin's wife. No one was the face there either right? Val was like "cool" for stealing Dustin's wife, who was "lame" for whining about it, but Dustin was still portrayed as someone being wronged. Then Dustin started bringing in the hardcore Christianity aspect, furthering his heeldom. But then he became Goldust again, and he was a face. ?? Maybe this leads to Rusev putting his leather skirt back on and breaking boards over his head.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 1, 2015 11:05:09 GMT -5
Keep in mind that just a couple of months ago we were hearing these reports about how high WWE was on Lana and wanted her to be the #1 female in the company, all sorts of silly stuff. At the time there were plans to make her CJ Perry in storyline, which I was baffled by since it basically reveals she was playing a Russian heel role all along and exposes every ounce of the business.
I don't think there is a face in this storyline. Ziggler could be but WWE booked him not as a guy rescuing a woman from an abusive relationship, but instead as a seedy opportunist that hooked up with a chick on the rebound for an easy lay. It doesn't help that at no point, well, ever did WWE establish a romantic relationship between Rusev and Lana. I don't exactly think Savage and Liz did either for a long time, but there it was easier to get. Lana has been a total Russian ice goddess that isn't the least bit romantic or loving as a character and there was never anything implied between her and Rusev.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 11:15:45 GMT -5
I haven't read through the entire thread, but abysmal would be putting it kindly. The acting and storytelling in that segment was so putridly awful that I just couldn't take it and walked out of the room. Keep in mind I've been watching this company for 25 years almost, and I couldn't make it through this segment. It was that bad. Another sign of how bad it is, is how quickly the "We want Lana!" chants and reactions for Lana in general have died down. This storyline and the company turning Lana face is the 2015 version of "Fandangoing."
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