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Post by abjordans on Jul 1, 2015 11:17:35 GMT -5
Did you ever know a really athletic, good looking, guy that seemingly should be the coolest... But, was really just a big geek? And was kind of socially awkward? That is Dolph Ziggler. Him playing this suave dude who pulls the baddest chick with ease is against type.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 1, 2015 12:03:55 GMT -5
They are padding this out like mad waiting for Rusev's injury to heal, and as such, it is exposing Ziggler and Lana badly. My thoughts exactly. I get that they are in a rush to do this story so Lana can be ULTRA HOT AMERICAN FEMALE BABYFACE! already but like you said, it's making the babyfaces look pretty heelish.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jul 1, 2015 12:08:49 GMT -5
WWE make it clear that it's a hyper aggressive environment where only alpha males can thrive, so Rusev's actions are appropriate. As for arguing with Lana, it's hard to feel sympathetic for her, because she's even more radical than he is. For most of their time together she's been the one spouting pro-Putin/Russia rhetoric while Rusev stands there silently. The problem with Ziggler is that he just plain looks like a douche. He'd be the bully in every 1980's teen movie And now he even dresses like he's in a 1980s teen movie. Ziggler: Rusev? More like BOOBSEV!
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Post by DjZonk on Jul 1, 2015 12:19:03 GMT -5
Lana spelt backwards is anal...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 1, 2015 12:24:34 GMT -5
I agree Rusev isn't a face...but they did the “treat her badly" boyfriend thing for like 2 weeks then spli them. Also Lana was still a heel to me until finally (poorly) she explained she was made to be awful and hate everyone? And Dolph just stole a guys girl and is rubbing it in his face and threatening a crippled guy. The whole thing just makes all of them look bad They were building it after the Cena loss where he was just angry and took it out on her. Also Ziggler wouldn't be rubbing it in his face if he didn't get in their face every damn time. Its hard to feel sorry for Rusev when he's the one who keeps going to talk to Lana or just yell at her or whatever. If he just went and stopped trying to get her back, make her jealous, or intimidate her then yeah it'd be rubbing it in his face but when its self inflicted anyone who thinks he's the face is just wrong. Even before that it started when Lana gave Cena the mania match... which had Rusev basically fire Lana for a few weeks before bringing her back at mania... The problem with Ziggler is that he just plain looks like a douche. He'd be the bully in every 1980's teen movie. This is why I said that the Swagger and Ziggler should have been Cobra Kai.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jul 1, 2015 12:27:44 GMT -5
I need to remember something, Ziggler aproached lana to save her from rusev slapping her or lana approached ziggler just to make Rusev jealous?
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Post by rippo on Jul 1, 2015 12:28:30 GMT -5
It sucks ass and the fact that Lana is still acting Russian as Ziggler's manager is ridiculous.
If they were gonna pair her and Ziggler together, Ziggler should have made her "hot" and they should have went all the way with the transformation. Have Lana come out as an All American Girl called CJ Perry.
It's not rocket science. If WWE weren't prepared to do this, they should have just kept Lana and Rusev together. Or had Lana manage another big foreign guy to take Rusev out.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 1, 2015 12:32:06 GMT -5
It sucks ass and the fact that Lana is still acting Russian as Ziggler's manager is ridiculous. If they were gonna pair her and Ziggler together, Ziggler should have made her "hot" and they should have went all the way with the transformation. Have Lana come out as an All American Girl called CJ Perry. It's not rocket science. If WWE weren't prepared to do this, they should have just kept Lana and Rusev together. Or had Lana manage another big foreign guy to take Rusev out. ... are you suggesting that Ziggler is some kind of wizard that can change someone's nationality? I'm not sure how I feel about that gimmick
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Post by Dean-o on Jul 1, 2015 12:38:52 GMT -5
I haven't read through the entire thread, but abysmal would be putting it kindly. The acting and storytelling in that segment was so putridly awful that I just couldn't take it and walked out of the room. Keep in mind I've been watching this company for 25 years almost, and I couldn't make it through this segment. It was that bad. You mean 2 grown adults in a relationship don't constantly giggle and laugh every time they think about each other?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 1, 2015 12:39:17 GMT -5
It sucks ass and the fact that Lana is still acting Russian as Ziggler's manager is ridiculous. If they were gonna pair her and Ziggler together, Ziggler should have made her "hot" and they should have went all the way with the transformation. Have Lana come out as an All American Girl called CJ Perry. It's not rocket science. If WWE weren't prepared to do this, they should have just kept Lana and Rusev together. Or had Lana manage another big foreign guy to take Rusev out. ... are you suggesting that Ziggler is some kind of wizard that can change someone's nationality? I'm not sure how I feel about that gimmick He has the magic stick.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jul 1, 2015 12:47:44 GMT -5
Did you ever know a really athletic, good looking, guy that seemingly should be the coolest... But, was really just a big geek? And was kind of socially awkward? That is Dolph Ziggler. Him playing this suave dude who pulls the baddest chick with ease is against type. Yes. And guys like that can get the hot girl. So can back to nature types like Bryan. But WWE doesn't know who to do anything other than "stereotypical alpha male gets the girl" because that what Vince is and or how he sees himself and he has a very hard time thinking or accepting that other types of personality other than his own can be successful. Now not that the booking itself would't be just as crappy if he did accept that. But it would help eliminate the underlying vibe of the face being a dork because they are less alpha than the heel.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Jul 1, 2015 13:05:14 GMT -5
We all agreed that Lana and Rusev managed to spin something great out of the dated "Anti-American" gimmick, but they're not miracle workers.
The retconning is audience insulting, the writing of Lana is sexist, the chemistry between Lana and Ziggler none existent. Rusev would have been better off not on tv since he's hurt and the mixed messages aren't helping his character. Audience enthusiasm for Lana has been torpedoed completely and Ziggler is only a sympathetic face if he's being beaten up and/or held down, whereas this feud is basically the opposite of those things.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 1, 2015 13:09:29 GMT -5
Ziggler comes off as a douche...which is why I don't get why he isn't pushed more. Ziggler is perfect for the douchebag comedy face role that Vince tried to square peg guys like Cena, Sheamus and Reigns into.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 1, 2015 13:12:23 GMT -5
Did you ever know a really athletic, good looking, guy that seemingly should be the coolest... But, was really just a big geek? And was kind of socially awkward? That is Dolph Ziggler. Him playing this suave dude who pulls the baddest chick with ease is against type. What makes Dolph "socially awkward" and "a geek"? I don't get that vibe from him in the slightest.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Jul 1, 2015 13:18:49 GMT -5
Question: which couple comes across more heelish to you, Dolph Ziggler and Lana or Dolph Ziggler and AJ?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 1, 2015 13:23:34 GMT -5
Sympathetic? This is why the WWE can't do continuity or nuanced and subtle long term storylines because no one remembers the history of current feuds that are only a monthish long Yep. When people whine about hot shotting angles, I point to things like this as a reason why they almost *have* to do so
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 1, 2015 13:32:21 GMT -5
The second Rusev got injured he should have off TV, say he went back to Russia to heal and get back on track. It was a blessing in disguise that could have made this work much better, IMO. Ziggler and Lana could still go on, with Ziggler "Americanizing" Lana (despite them having no chemistry)and when Rusev is healthy, he returns and you pick back up with him going after Ziggler. Keeping Rusev around and running this storyline like they have has put sympathy on him despite being the asshole that started it.
Also, it doesn't seem Rusev and Lana are into this at all.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 1, 2015 13:54:49 GMT -5
We all agreed that Lana and Rusev managed to spin something great out of the dated "Anti-American" gimmick, but they're not miracle workers. I didn't agree to anything... and being a heel for being pro-Putin isn't all that outdated.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jul 1, 2015 13:59:35 GMT -5
It's really struggling by Rusev being hurt. At least it keeps him on TV, it puts Lana over, and gives her something to do. It's not a good storyline but it could be much much worse.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 1, 2015 14:05:38 GMT -5
The fans enjoyed Lana as a prissy, controlled, sexy, heel, who they loved to hate.
But Vince is stupid, so naturally he messed it all up.
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