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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 14:36:07 GMT -5
It's sort of a defeatist way of going about it, no? "People don't buy anything unless it's a big move, let's just do a bunch of big moves". Makes me sads. And this is the biggest star in the company, meaning the most influential star in the company. What is every other wrestler on the roster going to do now?
I hate to put it like this because it's become this loaded term, but the "wrestling" aspect has flown out the window. The psychology of what they do now has de-volved so much, and this Cena US Championship Open thing is furthering that. I feel that, eventually, crowds get hip to it and start not caring so much about moves and finishers, and then maybe we go back to storytelling. Or, they just come up with crazier and crazier moves, and add trampolines and shit, I don't know.
Damn, I'm old.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 1, 2015 14:50:54 GMT -5
I like to think of it as his Midlife Crisis Moveset.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 1, 2015 14:53:00 GMT -5
The moment someone goes out there and doesnt do those big spots, people are going to start chanting "boring" or "Randy Savage".
I actually don't mind These recent matches Cena has been having. I just wish that they'd let more guys all around answer the open challenge. If someone like Adam Rose or Fandango had these same "finisher fest" matches with Cena, it could help change the fans' perception of them for the better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 14:53:11 GMT -5
I like to think of it as his Midlife Crisis Moveset. I hope this catches on. He'll be doing shooting star suicidas in a few months at this rate.
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Post by bigjohnsons on Jul 1, 2015 15:01:08 GMT -5
LETS GO CENA !!!!!
CENA SUCKS !!!!!!
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Post by neilc on Jul 1, 2015 15:04:56 GMT -5
He's still Cena: one week off TV is selling an injury and he's back to 100 percent healthy, doing his goofy entrance crap and applauding and making stupid faces when it looked like Owens was going to take the challenge. Can't he show a little fear? We needed Owens to talk about Cena being delusional again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 15:08:31 GMT -5
I don’t really see what the issue is.
What makes them “big moves” rather than just regular new moves he decided to start doing? The fact that the crowd go crazy and buy into the nearfalls? Shouldn’t he be praised for that and not criticised? I mean everyone from Sheamus to Cesaro to Kevin Owens has devastating looking moves than never win them matches and get kicked out of every week. They’re there just to look cool and hopefully impress the audience. If the crowd react then mission accomplished, surely?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 15:13:24 GMT -5
Wrestling evolves. 30 years ago a DDT would end a match, now people do a ton of them.
I think it is due in part to the younger generation liking more fast paced things, which is why so many characters with ADD are so popular for example.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 1, 2015 15:15:18 GMT -5
No matter how many moves he adds to his arsenal, there will be people who still think he only knows 5 moves. Cena more than likely knows he is entering the twilight of his career (Do get it twisted and think I calling him old and washed up. Far from it.). So he is wrestling the way he probably wanted to do but got told no and stick to his known moveset. John was adding moves here and there like his top rope legdrop and Batista Bomb. But once he got the United States title, he's gone full Indy. Which is something he doesn't have to do but wants to do. His execution of the new moves isn't smooth but there aren't that many people his size pulling them off. Since going Indy, more people are digging his matches including people who cringed at the thought of a Cena match.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jul 1, 2015 15:17:21 GMT -5
Here's Cena's next move:
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 1, 2015 15:20:58 GMT -5
I'm just not a fan of the style. Lots of fancy moves but none of them matter because they never result in the finish. He's gonna kick out of a bunch of shit and then win with the exception of that first Owens match. He's relying on the big moves because he feels like he has to do it to keep up with the rest of the roster and stay relevant. It's the Micheal Bay style of wrestling. It's frustrating because he's better than that. He doesn't have to do this, he's John freaking Cena. He can control the crowd with ease but for some reason, he feels the need to kill himself. His matches are like bad ROH matches now.
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Post by Fauxnaki on Jul 1, 2015 15:26:38 GMT -5
i hate his "i can do fancy moves too!" attitude that springboard stunner looks awful but would actually be a great finisher for someone who could actually pull it off. The hurricanrana is horrible and the canadian destroyer just looks slow and forced. My main problem is a guy his size has no reason to use these moves unless to show off and it takes away the realism from the match
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 15:30:48 GMT -5
No matter how many moves he adds to his arsenal, there will be people who still think he only knows 5 moves. Cena more than likely knows he is entering the twilight of his career (Do get it twisted and think I calling him old and washed up. Far from it.). So he is wrestling the way he probably wanted to do but got told no and stick to his known moveset. John was adding moves here and there like his top rope legdrop and Batista Bomb. But once he got the United States title, he's gone full Indy. Which is something he doesn't have to do but wants to do. His execution of the new moves isn't smooth but there aren't that many people his size pulling them off. Since going Indy, more people are digging his matches including people who cringed at the thought of a Cena match. It really is working for him. And that's a good point about him wanting to do all those moves, basically it's fun for him. He's also not the one who invented this style or anything, it's just that him adapting it sort of codifies it in a way, makes it a more legitimate way to work. To be clear I didn't mean this to bash Cena at all. He's doing what works, he's getting awesome crowd reactions for his matches, they're all in that weird half-kayfabe zone of his and working with it. I just don't really like it. I've liked a few of his matches, specifically the one with Neville and the first one with Owens. But too many have been like the Stardust match, drama that isn't really drama. I think eventually people will re-burn out on him, and then what? Go back to sell-sell-sell 5 moves of doom Cena? I just wish he could find a good middle ground.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 1, 2015 15:34:11 GMT -5
i hate his "i can do fancy moves too!" attitude that springboard stunner looks awful but would actually be a great finisher for someone who could actually pull it off. The hurricanrana is horrible and the canadian destroyer just looks slow and forced. My main problem is a guy his size has no reason to use these moves unless to show off and it takes away the realism from the match What is a guy his size supposed to do? He's in that weird range where he's not a cruiserweight, but he's not big enough to be a powerhouse juggernaut either.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jul 1, 2015 15:35:22 GMT -5
I'm just not a fan of the style. Lots of fancy moves but none of them matter because they never result in the finish. He's gonna kick out of a bunch of shit and then win with the exception of that first Owens match. He's relying on the big moves because he feels like he has to do it to keep up with the rest of the roster and stay relevant. It's the Micheal Bay style of wrestling. It's frustrating because he's better than that. He doesn't have to do this, he's John freaking Cena. He can control the crowd with ease but for some reason, he feels the need to kill himself. His matches are like bad ROH matches now. Since when does anything but a finisher (or roll up) get a pin for ANYONE anyway let alone Cena? If moves are pointless because they won't get a three count then why bother with any other moves at all?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 1, 2015 15:41:24 GMT -5
I'm just not a fan of the style. Lots of fancy moves but none of them matter because they never result in the finish. He's gonna kick out of a bunch of shit and then win with the exception of that first Owens match. He's relying on the big moves because he feels like he has to do it to keep up with the rest of the roster and stay relevant. It's the Micheal Bay style of wrestling. It's frustrating because he's better than that. He doesn't have to do this, he's John freaking Cena. He can control the crowd with ease but for some reason, he feels the need to kill himself. His matches are like bad ROH matches now. Since when does anything but a finisher (or roll up) get a pin for ANYONE anyway let alone Cena? If moves are pointless because they won't get a three count then why bother with any other moves at all? Well, that's sorta my whole point. It's not like it's exclusive to Cena, it's a company wide problem with how WWE sets up their matches, but Cena stands out as being especially bad with it because of how heavily featured he is. It'd be one thing if the cool moves were telling a story like if he was focusing on a body part or something but with Cena, it literally is just "how many moves can I do before I win with the AA?" To me, that's lame and lazy storytelling. It's effective, I can't deny that, but it's a style I'm just not a fan of.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 15:44:39 GMT -5
I like to think of it as his Midlife Crisis Moveset. Midlife crisis Cena does 630 moonsaults to the outside of the ring in 4 minute matches against Fandango.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 1, 2015 15:45:55 GMT -5
I'm just not a fan of the style. Lots of fancy moves but none of them matter because they never result in the finish. He's gonna kick out of a bunch of shit and then win with the exception of that first Owens match. He's relying on the big moves because he feels like he has to do it to keep up with the rest of the roster and stay relevant. It's the Micheal Bay style of wrestling. It's frustrating because he's better than that. He doesn't have to do this, he's John freaking Cena. He can control the crowd with ease but for some reason, he feels the need to kill himself. His matches are like bad ROH matches now. Why shouldn't Cena (or anyone really) try to keep up with the rest of the roster? If John Cena didn't attempt to switch things up "because he's John Cena", people would just complain that he's "lazy". I'm sure a good chunk of the WWE roster wishes they had the talent and/or screen time to put on "Bad RoH matches". It was only when Cena started pulling moves out of his ass that people actually started appreciating him as an in ring worker.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jul 1, 2015 15:47:06 GMT -5
i hate his "i can do fancy moves too!" attitude that springboard stunner looks awful but would actually be a great finisher for someone who could actually pull it off. The hurricanrana is horrible and the canadian destroyer just looks slow and forced. My main problem is a guy his size has no reason to use these moves unless to show off and it takes away the realism from the match Wait. Cena has done a Canadian Destroyer? No freakin' way?! When did this happen? I have to see that.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 1, 2015 15:49:35 GMT -5
i hate his "i can do fancy moves too!" attitude that springboard stunner looks awful but would actually be a great finisher for someone who could actually pull it off. The hurricanrana is horrible and the canadian destroyer just looks slow and forced. My main problem is a guy his size has no reason to use these moves unless to show off and it takes away the realism from the match Wait. Cena has done a Canadian Destroyer? No freakin' way?! When did this happen? I have to see that. I think he's talking about the Yoshi Tonic or else, I missed something too.
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