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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jul 2, 2015 14:54:27 GMT -5
McDevitt is the Louis Litt of WWE
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jul 2, 2015 15:38:59 GMT -5
he needs to show in court wearing Venom body paint and demanding too be called Prince
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Post by The Heenan Family on Jul 2, 2015 16:26:09 GMT -5
Shame about Ivan Koloff participating in this lawsuit. He's been campaigning to be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame for years and I figured he would be selected soon. With this lawsuit, he may never get in while alive.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 2, 2015 16:28:10 GMT -5
Koko is suing for concussions?
I thought he had a really hard head?
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jul 2, 2015 16:30:56 GMT -5
Koko is suing for concussions? I thought he had a really hard head? Maybe he, JYD, and anyone of Samoan heritage are listed as co-defendants.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 2, 2015 17:31:03 GMT -5
While I have absolutely no problem with WWE squashing the cash-grab lawsuits, I still don't like the idea of WWE not being responsible for concussions that former talent suffered while working there. I mean, they only started the IMPACT testing in, what, 2007? That's a crazy long time of head shots with chairs, dangerous moves, and reckless talent. I'm not saying WWE should just hand out money to everyone claiming they were hurt, but there should be some mutual accountability here. But you have to remember that 2006/2007 was when people really started learning how serious concussions and head injuries were. Before that it was the old "bell rung" mentality. People seem to forget that prior to Chris Nowinski's Sport's Legacy Institute and CTE studies people were pretty oblivious to the long term effects of head trauma. And if I'm not mistaken, WWE the "fake" sport started doing concussion testing before ANY other major North American sports league Yeah, they're ahead of the curve when it comes to concussions. I'm always skeptical about these concussion lawsuits even if the people filing them are genuinely ill. Same goes for the NFL. Anyone with common sense would know that taking blows to the head will cause problems. You are under no obligation to be a wrestler or an American football player. There is always the alternative option to simply remove yourself from a dangerous career and do something else. If you choose to pursue those careers, there are risks you must accept, even in the days before head trauma science was clearly understood. The big thing about the NFL is that they conducted a study starting in 1994 to find out the effects of concussions, they then proceeded to say there were no long term effects. Basically what the NFL did was bury everything that said concussions have long term effects, and in the huge concussion lawsuit was able to get one of their studies completely closed. The NFL covered everything up, and it's came back to bite them in the ass, as it should.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 2, 2015 17:52:49 GMT -5
Would NFL players need a concussion study to really know that getting your head smashed in on a regular basis causes long term damage?
It'd be like going to your doctor and saying "Doctor, I frequently headbutt brick walls....is that bad for me?"
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Post by MrElijah on Jul 2, 2015 18:45:41 GMT -5
Somebody posted Billy Jack Haynes Facebook posts about this a few months back. I know he mentioned some of these names getting in this suit getting involved, along with Sabu. If Sabu is a part of this case against WWE, they've already lost. Dude practically eats chairshots. . Hell 90% of his scars are from Japan and ECW. And yeah I agree, I hope this don't turn out badly for Koloff, he deserves the HOF.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 2, 2015 18:51:33 GMT -5
Would NFL players need a concussion study to really know that getting your head smashed in on a regular basis causes long term damage? It'd be like going to your doctor and saying "Doctor, I frequently headbutt brick walls....is that bad for me?" I think the problem was they were overconfident in their helmet's ability to protect them, when it can only do so much, and like with boxing gloves, it has led to problems with people pushing themselves harder than they would without it, with more mass, so you have protection, sure, but you also have football players traveling with more force and momentum, with devastating results. It's not like the early days of American football, with some players being killed on the field sometimes, but there's a lot of danger, just it seems much of it was longterm instead of short term and easily recognized as it happened.
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Post by saintpat on Jul 2, 2015 19:22:47 GMT -5
I hope the suit isn't dismissed before McDevitt gets to depose the allegedly dead guys who are still alive:
McDevitt: Please, for the record, state your name. Wrestler: Jim Duggan.
McDevitt: Drops mic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 19:32:53 GMT -5
Would NFL players need a concussion study to really know that getting your head smashed in on a regular basis causes long term damage? It'd be like going to your doctor and saying "Doctor, I frequently headbutt brick walls....is that bad for me?" I think the problem was they were overconfident in their helmet's ability to protect them, when it can only do so much, and like with boxing gloves, it has led to problems with people pushing themselves harder than they would without it, with more mass, so you have protection, sure, but you also have football players traveling with more force and momentum, with devastating results. It's not like the early days of American football, with some players being killed on the field sometimes, but there's a lot of danger, just it seems much of it was longterm instead of short term and easily recognized as it happened. I'm not trying to take this off topic, but one thing I've never understood about helmets in the NFL is that they have a hard exterior. I'm not a physicist or a sports scientist, but if player safety is the objective, wouldn't it make more sense to use a helmet that is made of nothing but soft material? It may not offer the same protection as a rigid helmet in some circumstances, but a soft helmet would be a much less effective weapon and since it would cease to be an effective battering ram, far fewer people would lead with their heads.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 2, 2015 19:35:30 GMT -5
Would NFL players need a concussion study to really know that getting your head smashed in on a regular basis causes long term damage? It'd be like going to your doctor and saying "Doctor, I frequently headbutt brick walls....is that bad for me?" Actually yes they, and almost the entire sports world, did. Concussions were seen like any other bruise, shake it off and move on. It wasn't until players started showing signs of neurological and mental issues that someone did a study to see what, if anything, could be causing it. The NFL finding out how bad head injuries were over the long term and hiding this from everyone until SLI and Chris Nowinski among others brought this back to light, has cost the NFL nearly a billion in payouts to the suffering and dead, not to even include legal fees and what not. The science of this is light years from where it was just 10 years ago and it is easy to say "well yeah everyone knew or should have known that" but that is just not true or accurate to anything.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jul 2, 2015 19:37:09 GMT -5
I think the problem was they were overconfident in their helmet's ability to protect them, when it can only do so much, and like with boxing gloves, it has led to problems with people pushing themselves harder than they would without it, with more mass, so you have protection, sure, but you also have football players traveling with more force and momentum, with devastating results. It's not like the early days of American football, with some players being killed on the field sometimes, but there's a lot of danger, just it seems much of it was longterm instead of short term and easily recognized as it happened. I'm not trying to take this off topic, but one thing I've never understood about helmets in the NFL is that they have a hard exterior. I'm not a physicist or a sports scientist, but if player safety is the objective, wouldn't it make more sense to use a helmet that is made of nothing but soft material? It may not offer the same protection as a rigid helmet in some circumstances, but a soft helmet would be a much less effective weapon and since it would cease to be an effective battering ram, far fewer people would lead with their heads. They were leather way back when. But then everybody realized they were useless. The purpose of a helmet is to prevent skull fractures. That players use them as a weapon, or used to, is incidental.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 2, 2015 19:37:23 GMT -5
I think the problem was they were overconfident in their helmet's ability to protect them, when it can only do so much, and like with boxing gloves, it has led to problems with people pushing themselves harder than they would without it, with more mass, so you have protection, sure, but you also have football players traveling with more force and momentum, with devastating results. It's not like the early days of American football, with some players being killed on the field sometimes, but there's a lot of danger, just it seems much of it was longterm instead of short term and easily recognized as it happened. I'm not trying to take this off topic, but one thing I've never understood about helmets in the NFL is that they have a hard exterior. I'm not a physicist or a sports scientist, but if player safety is the objective, wouldn't it make more sense to use a helmet that is made of nothing but soft material? It may not offer the same protection as a rigid helmet in some circumstances, but a soft helmet would be a much less effective weapon and since it would cease to be an effective battering ram, far fewer people would lead with their heads. Helmets aren't designed to prevent brain injuries, they are designed to prevent broken skulls. Being hard is to stop the skull from being hit or punctured.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Jul 2, 2015 20:20:33 GMT -5
Is that the only time in history wwe have acknowledged tna?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 20:35:03 GMT -5
I'm not trying to take this off topic, but one thing I've never understood about helmets in the NFL is that they have a hard exterior. I'm not a physicist or a sports scientist, but if player safety is the objective, wouldn't it make more sense to use a helmet that is made of nothing but soft material? It may not offer the same protection as a rigid helmet in some circumstances, but a soft helmet would be a much less effective weapon and since it would cease to be an effective battering ram, far fewer people would lead with their heads. Helmets aren't designed to prevent brain injuries, they are designed to prevent broken skulls. Being hard is to stop the skull from being hit or punctured. That would explain why I didn't know, since those kinds of things are so rare in this day and age. I wonder if there's any credible accumulated data on how often those kinds of injuries happened before hard-shelled helmets were introduced.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Jul 2, 2015 21:04:09 GMT -5
Is that the only time in history wwe have acknowledged tna? Well, there was the short-lived "Industry News" section on the homepage of WWE's website. It cobbled news from other websites (with credit, just to be clear) and that news did include ROH and TNA. Then there was WWE's attempt at starting its own message board, which had specific sections for other wrestling companies.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jul 2, 2015 21:17:27 GMT -5
Is that the only time in history wwe have acknowledged tna? Well, there was the short-lived "Industry News" section on the homepage of WWE's website. It cobbled news from other websites (with credit, just to be clear) and that news did include ROH and TNA. Then there was WWE's attempt at starting its own message board, which had specific sections for other wrestling companies. I remember how surreal that felt in 2008, considering they hadn't signed a lot of popular indy/international wrestlers at that time except once in a while, and barely mentioned other promotions.
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Post by xCompackx on Jul 2, 2015 21:25:18 GMT -5
I'm not trying to take this off topic, but one thing I've never understood about helmets in the NFL is that they have a hard exterior. I'm not a physicist or a sports scientist, but if player safety is the objective, wouldn't it make more sense to use a helmet that is made of nothing but soft material? It may not offer the same protection as a rigid helmet in some circumstances, but a soft helmet would be a much less effective weapon and since it would cease to be an effective battering ram, far fewer people would lead with their heads. Helmets aren't designed to prevent brain injuries, they are designed to prevent broken skulls. Being hard is to stop the skull from being hit or punctured. On the topic of helmets, you would kinda expect a helmet (especially a NFL helmet) to do something about brain injuries. Obviously a broken skull is bad, but it doesn't do much good to have an intact skull if your brain gets rattled from a tackle.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jul 2, 2015 21:49:19 GMT -5
Helmets aren't designed to prevent brain injuries, they are designed to prevent broken skulls. Being hard is to stop the skull from being hit or punctured. On the topic of helmets, you would kinda expect a helmet (especially a NFL helmet) to do something about brain injuries. Obviously a broken skull is bad, but it doesn't do much good to have an intact skull if your brain gets rattled from a tackle. Yeah, except that's impossible, so that might be what's stopping them.
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