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Post by Red Impact on Jul 2, 2015 22:15:24 GMT -5
Would NFL players need a concussion study to really know that getting your head smashed in on a regular basis causes long term damage? It'd be like going to your doctor and saying "Doctor, I frequently headbutt brick walls....is that bad for me?" Actually yes they, and almost the entire sports world, did. Concussions were seen like any other bruise, shake it off and move on. It wasn't until players started showing signs of neurological and mental issues that someone did a study to see what, if anything, could be causing it. The NFL finding out how bad head injuries were over the long term and hiding this from everyone until SLI and Chris Nowinski among others brought this back to light, has cost the NFL nearly a billion in payouts to the suffering and dead, not to even include legal fees and what not. The science of this is light years from where it was just 10 years ago and it is easy to say "well yeah everyone knew or should have known that" but that is just not true or accurate to anything. Not to mention that all this time, the NFL is doing handsprings to manipulate scientific journals to say that very thing, then turning around and telling players that it's safe. In other words, imagine with concussions. The league was making sure they had doctors around who could say what they wanted them to say (which was prevailing medical knowledge at the time) and go out of their way to squash research that stated the opposite. And they had the money advantage to achieve this.
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Post by xCompackx on Jul 2, 2015 22:32:45 GMT -5
On the topic of helmets, you would kinda expect a helmet (especially a NFL helmet) to do something about brain injuries. Obviously a broken skull is bad, but it doesn't do much good to have an intact skull if your brain gets rattled from a tackle. Yeah, except that's impossible, so that might be what's stopping them. Oh, I know lol. I just remember a few PSA's when I was a kid about how helmets stop brain injuries and the topic about NFL and helmets made me think of that.
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Post by StormanReigns on Jul 2, 2015 22:38:59 GMT -5
Honestly can't believe some people on here. Wrestlers being forced to work with a concussion is absurd.
I love the WWE as much as anyone, but can't stand the people who defend the company on EVERY issue. Vince is no saint.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jul 3, 2015 3:03:54 GMT -5
I hope the suit isn't dismissed before McDevitt gets to depose the allegedly dead guys who are still alive: McDevitt: Please, for the record, state your name. Wrestler: Jim Duggan. McDevitt: Drops mic. "...can I still say 'Ho'?" "Well, sure." "HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 3, 2015 10:35:49 GMT -5
Honestly can't believe some people on here. Wrestlers being forced to work with a concussion is absurd. I love the WWE as much as anyone, but can't stand the people who defend the company on EVERY issue. Vince is no saint. Sometimes I wonder how many former talents need to go on record saying that WWE management pushed them to work through serious injuries or halve the necessary recovery time from surgery before people stop writing off their complaints as bitterness and jumping through hoops to shift the responsibility onto the talent. CM Punk went on the record about working with a severe infection that the WWE didn't take seriously and knew they were so far in the wrong they bent over and gave Punk everything he wanted when the lawyers got involved, yet some people here still started to play amateur doctor to try and discredit him in order to defend the WWE, it just boggles the mind.
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Post by machomuta on Jul 3, 2015 14:51:03 GMT -5
Wrestlers being forced to work with a concussion is absurd. Vince is no saint. Who got forced?. Please prove it then. He is not the devil either.
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Post by StormanReigns on Jul 3, 2015 15:07:08 GMT -5
Wrestlers being forced to work with a concussion is absurd. Vince is no saint. Who got forced?. Please prove it then. He is not the devil either. You don't work, you don't get paid. What is someone with a concussion to do? They have families. There is a reason ALL professional sports league's pay their injured players. Hell, it's an American law that you pay your injured employees, but WWE contracts their wrestlers as "independent contractors". Vince has wasted millions alone on Linda's campaigns
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jul 3, 2015 15:09:33 GMT -5
Who got forced?. Please prove it then. He is not the devil either. You don't work, you don't get paid. What is someone with a concussion to do? They have families. There is a reason ALL professional sports league's pay their injured players. Hell, it's an American law that you pay your injured employees, but WWE contracts their wrestlers as "independent contractors". Vince has wasted millions alone on Linda's campaigns Again, where's Vince with the gun to these guys heads saying "BE A PRO WRESTLER, DAMMIT!" These guys made their choices. If you don't like the hand you're dealt, you're free to walk away from the table.
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Post by xCompackx on Jul 3, 2015 15:10:48 GMT -5
Honestly can't believe some people on here. Wrestlers being forced to work with a concussion is absurd. I love the WWE as much as anyone, but can't stand the people who defend the company on EVERY issue. Vince is no saint. Sometimes I wonder how many former talents need to go on record saying that WWE management pushed them to work through serious injuries or halve the necessary recovery time from surgery before people stop writing off their complaints as bitterness and jumping through hoops to shift the responsibility onto the talent. CM Punk went on the record about working with a severe infection that the WWE didn't take seriously and knew they were so far in the wrong they bent over and gave Punk everything he wanted when the lawyers got involved, yet some people here still started to play amateur doctor to try and discredit him in order to defend the WWE, it just boggles the mind. Weird thing about CM Punk's situation is that the doctor is suing him for claiming that so it either really didn't happen the way Punk said, or this doctor is trying to somehow save face by suing (which would be pointless if it actually did happen since he'd just lose anyway).
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Post by cjh on Jul 3, 2015 15:33:37 GMT -5
Who got forced?. Please prove it then. He is not the devil either. You don't work, you don't get paid. What is someone with a concussion to do? They have families. There is a reason ALL professional sports league's pay their injured players. Hell, it's an American law that you pay your injured employees, but WWE contracts their wrestlers as "independent contractors". Vince has wasted millions alone on Linda's campaigns Injured WWE wrestlers do get paid. I don't know who said otherwise, but it's not true. WWE also pays for surgery when needed to repair an in-ring injury.
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Post by badkarma on Jul 3, 2015 15:52:13 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder how many former talents need to go on record saying that WWE management pushed them to work through serious injuries or halve the necessary recovery time from surgery before people stop writing off their complaints as bitterness and jumping through hoops to shift the responsibility onto the talent. CM Punk went on the record about working with a severe infection that the WWE didn't take seriously and knew they were so far in the wrong they bent over and gave Punk everything he wanted when the lawyers got involved, yet some people here still started to play amateur doctor to try and discredit him in order to defend the WWE, it just boggles the mind. Weird thing about CM Punk's situation is that the doctor is suing him for claiming that so it either really didn't happen the way Punk said, or this doctor is trying to somehow save face by suing (which would be pointless if it actually did happen since he'd just lose anyway). WWE, and their doctor, are simply trying to save face. Vince has this built in, automatic retaliation, whenever anyone even points in his direction. Lets look at some history, in the 90's Hulk Hogan testified in court that Vince pushed steroids on his works, supplying, and selling roids to the boys in the locker room. What was Vince's response? To paraphrase Mr. McMahon, "Oh yeah, well Hogan is a cocaine dealer!" This happened, was major news in paper across the country at the time, but if you google it now, nothing, it's been wiped from existence. Why? Because Vince and Hogan, have kissed, and made up since then.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jul 3, 2015 16:14:18 GMT -5
Weird thing about CM Punk's situation is that the doctor is suing him for claiming that so it either really didn't happen the way Punk said, or this doctor is trying to somehow save face by suing (which would be pointless if it actually did happen since he'd just lose anyway). WWE, and their doctor, are simply trying to save face. Vince has this built in, automatic retaliation, whenever anyone even points in his direction. Lets look at some history, in the 90's Hulk Hogan testified in court that Vince pushed steroids on his works, supplying, and selling roids to the boys in the locker room. What was Vince's response? To paraphrase Mr. McMahon, "Oh yeah, well Hogan is a cocaine dealer!" This happened, was major news in paper across the country at the time, but if you google it now, nothing, it's been wiped from existence. Why? Because Vince and Hogan, have kissed, and made up since then. Sooooo, Hulk Hogan and Vince's relationship status is able to wipe clean from existence media coverage? *does a Google search* Nope, pages and pages about the steroid scandal.
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Post by badkarma on Jul 3, 2015 16:19:17 GMT -5
WWE, and their doctor, are simply trying to save face. Vince has this built in, automatic retaliation, whenever anyone even points in his direction. Lets look at some history, in the 90's Hulk Hogan testified in court that Vince pushed steroids on his works, supplying, and selling roids to the boys in the locker room. What was Vince's response? To paraphrase Mr. McMahon, "Oh yeah, well Hogan is a cocaine dealer!" This happened, was major news in paper across the country at the time, but if you google it now, nothing, it's been wiped from existence. Why? Because Vince and Hogan, have kissed, and made up since then. Sooooo, Hulk Hogan and Vince's relationship status is able to wipe clean from existence media coverage? *does a Google search* Nope, pages and pages about the steroid scandal. To clarify, I was talking about Vince's reaction of calling Hogan a coke dealer, that's been erased.
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Post by nisidhe on Jul 3, 2015 16:37:44 GMT -5
WWE will hold all the cards against individual wrestlers or even unions of wrestlers so long as they continue to be perceived as the biggest game in town. For this reason alone, I would welcome the emergence of any independent promotion or even one from overseas who can come close to threatening Vince's position as king of the hill, especially one that's better able and more willing to offer fair treatment to its talent.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jul 3, 2015 19:48:47 GMT -5
You don't work, you don't get paid. What is someone with a concussion to do? They have families. There is a reason ALL professional sports league's pay their injured players. Hell, it's an American law that you pay your injured employees, but WWE contracts their wrestlers as "independent contractors". Vince has wasted millions alone on Linda's campaigns Injured WWE wrestlers do get paid. I don't know who said otherwise, but it's not true. WWE also pays for surgery when needed to repair an in-ring injury. They didn't back in the 80's and 90's as far as I know. Hence why Jesse Ventura tried to start a union.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 3, 2015 20:11:20 GMT -5
You don't work, you don't get paid. What is someone with a concussion to do? They have families. There is a reason ALL professional sports league's pay their injured players. Hell, it's an American law that you pay your injured employees, but WWE contracts their wrestlers as "independent contractors". Vince has wasted millions alone on Linda's campaigns Again, where's Vince with the gun to these guys heads saying "BE A PRO WRESTLER, DAMMIT!" These guys made their choices. If you don't like the hand you're dealt, you're free to walk away from the table. A boss's bad behavior isn't erased just because employees decided to work for him.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jul 3, 2015 20:11:50 GMT -5
Helmets aren't designed to prevent brain injuries, they are designed to prevent broken skulls. Being hard is to stop the skull from being hit or punctured. On the topic of helmets, you would kinda expect a helmet (especially a NFL helmet) to do something about brain injuries. Obviously a broken skull is bad, but it doesn't do much good to have an intact skull if your brain gets rattled from a tackle. It's physics. Your head has momentum from a smack into an object. The squishy organ inside won't stop moving just because the skull does. Short of injecting foam into people's heads, you just can't stop that happening.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jul 3, 2015 20:19:43 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder how many former talents need to go on record saying that WWE management pushed them to work through serious injuries or halve the necessary recovery time from surgery before people stop writing off their complaints as bitterness and jumping through hoops to shift the responsibility onto the talent. CM Punk went on the record about working with a severe infection that the WWE didn't take seriously and knew they were so far in the wrong they bent over and gave Punk everything he wanted when the lawyers got involved, yet some people here still started to play amateur doctor to try and discredit him in order to defend the WWE, it just boggles the mind. Weird thing about CM Punk's situation is that the doctor is suing him for claiming that so it either really didn't happen the way Punk said, or this doctor is trying to somehow save face by suing (which would be pointless if it actually did happen since he'd just lose anyway). which is hilarious because Punk still has the dent on his ass to prove it,and I'm assuming his "Aggressive Jew Lawyer" can call Doctor Bateman to the stand, along with bringing some papers on the incident. There's also the video evidence of him shitting his pants mid match on Smackdown, and any live show footage they can cobble together from YouTube of him dry heaving on the apron (I've seen a few)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 20:28:00 GMT -5
You don't work, you don't get paid. What is someone with a concussion to do? They have families. There is a reason ALL professional sports league's pay their injured players. Hell, it's an American law that you pay your injured employees, but WWE contracts their wrestlers as "independent contractors". Vince has wasted millions alone on Linda's campaigns Injured WWE wrestlers do get paid. I don't know who said otherwise, but it's not true. WWE also pays for surgery when needed to repair an in-ring injury. Yeah, injured WWE wrestlers get paid. They get paid a fraction of what they'd be making if they were on the road and puts a lot of pressure on the wrestlers to rush back. And WWE doesn't pay for surgery out of the goodness of their hearts, they do it to avoid personal injury lawsuits. Lawsuits that would bring the independent contractor vs employee debate in front of a judge, which is that last thing WWE wants.
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Post by lovingway on Jul 3, 2015 21:39:19 GMT -5
Didn't see this in the thread so I decided to post it. Dan Spivey posted this to his Facebook in regards to Billy Jack
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