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Post by Emmet Russell on Jul 16, 2015 20:29:35 GMT -5
Who would WWE even take if TNA was to close their doors? a lot of the stars that you'd think they'd give a shot to - Bobby Roode, for example - are too old to really gain anything in WWE.
Jeff Hardy is about the only guy there you could make some money with. Angle is possible but they wouldn't let him wrestle and he could be a health risk to employ after 9 years in TNA.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 16, 2015 20:47:41 GMT -5
Who would WWE even take if TNA was to close their doors? a lot of the stars that you'd think they'd give a shot to - Bobby Roode, for example - are too old to really gain anything in WWE. Jeff Hardy is about the only guy there you could make some money with. Angle is possible but they wouldn't let him wrestle and he could be a health risk to employ after 9 years in TNA. If they wanted Angle they would have hired him when he was a free agent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 20:51:59 GMT -5
Vince loves him some Jeff Hardy, he would hire him back in an instant if Jeff wants to go back go the E. Dude is always over as all f*** in the WWE.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jul 16, 2015 20:53:36 GMT -5
Unfortunately all that money Dixie is expecting from Africa is money Nigerian princes owe her from giving them her credit card information so they can afford the bank fees to withdraw their massive eight figure fortunes (which Dixie will receive half of!), She didn't even do it for the money. She just wanted to correspond with someone who wasn't a "hater".
"Gentleman, it was an honor playing with you tonight!"- Bob Ryder to Jeremey Borash, Manik, and Bram.
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Post by thetower52 on Jul 16, 2015 20:55:49 GMT -5
When exactly did he do that? Wwe still speaks highly of him and features him on many DVDs and countdowns and shit like that on the network They where trying desperately to hire him back before he returned to TNA and that was after he was arrested for his drug issues. Considering Jeff has a young child I think he may did what Christain did and go back to WWE for the financial security. Obviously, Jeff lives in his own world and it's up to him if he feels his creative freedom is worth more than going back to WWE. I feel like both Hardys are set for life as far as money is concerned Though a nice TV only contract for Jeff might be a good security blanket. At the very least I'm sure he would sign a legends deal
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 16, 2015 21:17:37 GMT -5
Colonel Debeers in his rf shoot said something interesting referring to Billy Jack Haynes, "You never say no to Vince, and Billy did it twice."
The same applies to Jeff Hardy, he left twice the WWE despite the fact that he was getting a major push. In 02-03, he was breaking that barrier and working with the Undertaker for f*** sake. Then during his second run he was getting push to the moon, and he quits again. VKM isn't gonna take a third risk with Jeff.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 16, 2015 21:25:38 GMT -5
Colonel Debeers in his rf shoot said something interesting referring to Billy Jack Haynes, "You never say no to Vince, and Billy did it twice."
The same applies to Jeff Hardy, he left twice the WWE despite the fact that he was getting a major push. In 02-03, he was breaking that barrier and working with the Undertaker for f*** sake. Then during his second run he was getting push to the moon, and he quits again. VKM isn't gonna take a third risk with Jeff. Warrior did it multiple times, so did Hogan and Austin. If there is money to be made, Vince will work with you and there is money in Jeff Hardy.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jul 16, 2015 21:27:54 GMT -5
Colonel Debeers in his rf shoot said something interesting referring to Billy Jack Haynes, "You never say no to Vince, and Billy did it twice."
The same applies to Jeff Hardy, he left twice the WWE despite the fact that he was getting a major push. In 02-03, he was breaking that barrier and working with the Undertaker for f*** sake. Then during his second run he was getting push to the moon, and he quits again. VKM isn't gonna take a third risk with Jeff. Warrior did it multiple times, so did Hogan and Austin. If there is money to be made, Vince will work with you and there is money in Jeff Hardy. Is there really? He's way past his in-ring prime, he was never a good promo, his entire being was physical charisma. On top of that, he can't do anything internationally, he's way past being given the benefit of the doubt, sobriety-wise....why risk it?
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Post by xCompackx on Jul 16, 2015 21:37:22 GMT -5
Who would WWE even take if TNA was to close their doors? a lot of the stars that you'd think they'd give a shot to - Bobby Roode, for example - are too old to really gain anything in WWE. Jeff Hardy is about the only guy there you could make some money with. Angle is possible but they wouldn't let him wrestle and he could be a health risk to employ after 9 years in TNA. EC3's the obvious answer, I suppose. He's one of the only guys in TNA who's really gaining anything by being there. Aside from that, I don't really know if anyone in TNA can add anything to WWE/NXT.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 16, 2015 21:37:49 GMT -5
Warrior did it multiple times, so did Hogan and Austin. If there is money to be made, Vince will work with you and there is money in Jeff Hardy. Is there really? He's way past his in-ring prime, he was never a good promo, his entire being was physical charisma. On top of that, he can't do anything internationally, he's way past being given the benefit of the doubt, sobriety-wise....why risk it? Yes there is. Hardy fans are freaking crazy and will buy anything. Let me put it another way, Jeff Hardy is TNA's top merch guy of each year since 2004 and, not this recent run after making it to top of WWE, but that first drugged out run where TNA was still doing weekly PPVs. As for sobriety, we have no reason to doubt him since returning from WWE sponsored rehab and WWE would have a better judge of that anyway. Not to mention the Orton clause of the Wellness Policy helps them out. Finally, WWE doesn't have the issues TNA does with international tours/tapings. Hardy would miss one on occasion, not months at a time. At the very least you give him a Lesnar or RVD type deal, where he only shows up once in a blue moon and market the hell out of his merch.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jul 16, 2015 21:42:51 GMT -5
Who would WWE even take if TNA was to close their doors? a lot of the stars that you'd think they'd give a shot to - Bobby Roode, for example - are too old to really gain anything in WWE. Rood is only 2 years older than Samoa Joe.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 16, 2015 21:45:12 GMT -5
Colonel Debeers in his rf shoot said something interesting referring to Billy Jack Haynes, "You never say no to Vince, and Billy did it twice."
The same applies to Jeff Hardy, he left twice the WWE despite the fact that he was getting a major push. In 02-03, he was breaking that barrier and working with the Undertaker for f*** sake. Then during his second run he was getting push to the moon, and he quits again. VKM isn't gonna take a third risk with Jeff. Warrior did it multiple times, so did Hogan and Austin. If there is money to be made, Vince will work with you and there is money in Jeff Hardy. Ok Austin apart from the walkout, never did something similar when he was on top. Vince eventually got tired of Warrior and closed the door. You're right about Hogan, but unlike Hulk and the other two guys, Hardy is not on that list.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 16, 2015 22:19:24 GMT -5
I'd also say Roode right now is a far better actual wrestler than Joe despite that 2 years (quick: last good Samoa Joe match?). No reason WWE couldn't get a solid 3-5 years or so out of Roode. R-Truth is actually 43 now and is in excellent shape. Does anyone think he's some sort of old guy?
I'm already on record as saying EC3 is screwed if TNA closes. Virtually all of his act and heat is based on being Dixie Carter's hated nephew. Take that gimmick away from him, along with being booked so strongly, and he'll go back to being Derek Bateman dumping milk on his head.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 16, 2015 22:21:11 GMT -5
I'd also say Roode right now is a far better actual wrestler than Joe despite that 2 years (quick: last good Samoa Joe match?) Um...Joe's entire recent ROH run?
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jul 16, 2015 22:21:15 GMT -5
I'd also say Roode right now is a far better actual wrestler than Joe despite that 2 years (quick: last good Samoa Joe match?). No reason WWE couldn't get a solid 3-5 years or so out of Roode. R-Truth is actually 43 now and is in excellent shape. Does anyone think he's some sort of old guy? I'm already on record as saying EC3 is screwed if TNA closes. Virtually all of his act and heat is based on being Dixie Carter's hated nephew. Take that gimmick away from him, along with being booked so strongly, and he'll go back to being Derek Bateman dumping milk on his head. Johnny Curtis aka Fandango was the guy with the milk.
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Post by DSR on Jul 16, 2015 22:21:26 GMT -5
I'd also say Roode right now is a far better actual wrestler than Joe despite that 2 years (quick: last good Samoa Joe match?). No reason WWE couldn't get a solid 3-5 years or so out of Roode. R-Truth is actually 43 now and is in excellent shape. Does anyone think he's some sort of old guy? I'm already on record as saying EC3 is screwed if TNA closes. Virtually all of his act and heat is based on being Dixie Carter's hated nephew. Take that gimmick away from him, along with being booked so strongly, and he'll go back to being Derek Bateman dumping milk on his head. Wasn't it Johnny Curtis dumping milk on his head?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 16, 2015 23:02:54 GMT -5
Is there really? He's way past his in-ring prime, he was never a good promo, his entire being was physical charisma. On top of that, he can't do anything internationally, he's way past being given the benefit of the doubt, sobriety-wise....why risk it? Yes there is. Hardy fans are freaking crazy and will buy anything. Let me put it another way, Jeff Hardy is TNA's top merch guy of each year since 2004 and, not this recent run after making it to top of WWE, but that first drugged out run where TNA was still doing weekly PPVs. As for sobriety, we have no reason to doubt him since returning from WWE sponsored rehab and WWE would have a better judge of that anyway. Not to mention the Orton clause of the Wellness Policy helps them out. Finally, WWE doesn't have the issues TNA does with international tours/tapings. Hardy would miss one on occasion, not months at a time. At the very least you give him a Lesnar or RVD type deal, where he only shows up once in a blue moon and market the hell out of his merch. Honestly, unless Jeff just straight retires from wrestling, I don't see any way that he doesn't wind up back in WWE. I know peope make the "lol, who gives a f*** in TNA?" jokes but Jeff has legit busted his ass in all his matches these past few years since he got his act together after the VR incident. He could easily keep up with anybody on the current WWE roster and, like you said, giving him a Lesnar/RVD type deal would eliminate any issue that he would have with the schedule. The big hang up on Jeff staying in TNA has always been on Jeff, not WWE. Since it sounds like he's gotten over the bad blood he had with Punk, no reason to think he won't do the same with WWE and re-sign. Especially when they own most of his career AND the career of his brother.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 16, 2015 23:18:18 GMT -5
Yeah what I want to know what US TV network would pick up a wrestling show that been taken of two networks in a year, that pretty much unheard of for any TV show that was producing new episodes. Plus knowing the president who acts like she's ten on social media. Getting rid of most of the talent fans care about. Can't market to make shows worth a crap. If you can't stay on DA why would anybody else want them? Sure they may have international deals but how much is that paying really when they have issues paying talent now. Yet they want to say there fine? Makes no sense.
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Post by corndog on Jul 16, 2015 23:30:24 GMT -5
Yeah what I want to know what US TV network would pick up a wrestling show that been taken of two networks in a year, that pretty much unheard of for any TV show that was producing new episodes. Plus knowing the president who acts like she's ten on social media. Getting rid of most of the talent fans care about. Can't market to make shows worth a crap. If you can't stay on DA why would anybody else want them? Sure they may have international deals but how much is that paying really when they have issues paying talent now. Yet they want to say there fine? Makes no sense. Nobody on cable is picking up TNA, their best bet is getting crappy syndicated deals and slowly but surely dying if Panda still feeds it money. The real question is does anymore talent end up in WWE and ROH? I am guessing the talent that could make it to those companies already did so, and the rest will be either in the indies or getting real jobs. I agree Hardy could possibly make it happen, but I think he would have went back already if he was planning on it.
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Post by Aya Reiko on Jul 17, 2015 2:34:30 GMT -5
I was under the impression that no one believed TNA ever did anything good. Anyone that worked there will hopefully find work elsewhere. And you and I both know that everyone will spend more time riffing and MST-ing the bad stuff than actually acknowledging the good. The "actual good TNA did" will be forgotten anyway while people only watch the shitty stuff for laughs while high fiving each other and making jokes about how the wrestlers were "paid with an empty McDonalds apple pie box". WWE has so much goofy shit in their video vaults from otehr companies that they don't even touch; WCW is a vendetta thing, it's a different matter entirely. TNA never succeeded enough to even justify the production costs of spending the next decade laughing at their failures. Maybe an unflattering documentary about its history and downfall. And on the other hand, WWE has bar none, the best infrastructure to actually use the footage. Their DVD brand is the strongest in wrestling by a mile, and they have the Network, which is going to allow for actually rolling out the entire library over time. Just being able to use the footage to show the highlights of the majority of Samoa Joe's career would probably justify it, and in that they would even have a clear and direct avenue to try and garner interest for TNA's library among the more casual subscribers who might want to see more of him. Nobody else in the industry could ever hope to do the footage justice. Only thing of value is maximizing footage of Jeff Hardy, Angle, and Sting. And if they catch fire in WWE, Joe and AJ. Beyond that, there is nothing of value in TNA. Of course, a major reason for that is TNA never did create an identity for itself.
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