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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jul 19, 2015 21:30:13 GMT -5
Just send Owens back to NXT and let him be their Brock. Hype up beating Cena and leaving him laying while never mentioning this shitfest tonight. Dude has nowhere to go on the main roster after this. You cannot start at the top and work you're way down and that is exactly what they did to Kevin.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jul 19, 2015 21:30:15 GMT -5
Just another potential star Cena buried. Sadly, nothing new.
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Post by angryfan on Jul 19, 2015 21:32:46 GMT -5
It is what it is. I'm too desensitised to Cena for it to affect me. I just don't understand what it accomplishes though. From a business standpoint it's quite baffling. Precisely. Look, I get that the matches are great or whatever, but time and again we hear about how "good wrestling matches don't sell out arenas". So you have your "top guy" in the mid-card, and he's being fed (and competitive match or not, that's what it is) every hot act and every big possible draw out of developmental. It's the Hogan model, except back in the day, you could have a hot act lose to Hogan, and then go into an IC or tag title program, and that was still seen as important and special because those were what were on TV every week. Now? Now you've got them losing in the mid-card and the only thing left for them, other than a complete rebuild of their character to make them credible again, is to hover in that space between the tag division and Zach Ryder. And this is the entire future roster, everyone that you'll have to build around when, eventually, the "top dog" leaves. None of them look good, or credible, they're either whiney and pathetic or their bad guys who got beat up and are obviously not worth a damn. None of those scram "take my money".
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 19, 2015 21:35:34 GMT -5
It's not what I would have gone with myself, but I don't buy it as some kind of career-ending loss.
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Post by chrom on Jul 19, 2015 21:37:46 GMT -5
Sigh
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 19, 2015 21:47:20 GMT -5
This is why the WWE ratings are slowly going down. There's absolutely no reason to become emotionally invested with the product. Hence why I find myself usually reading the results, hearing about it from friends, or reading about it on here as well. I just can't really bring myself to care anymore due to the horrible booking and their lack of building up new stars.
Of course not having a legitimate competitor to kick them in the ass is the one major factor to the WWE's inability to create an exciting product.
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Post by Lick Ness Monster on Jul 19, 2015 21:49:16 GMT -5
Right after WrestleMania, a couple different "Who will Cena lose the US title to?" polls cropped up on here. My answer in both was Big Show.
I'm sticking to it.
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Post by Andy Martin on Jul 19, 2015 21:52:21 GMT -5
I'm certainly not mad at it.
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Post by metylerca on Jul 19, 2015 21:52:20 GMT -5
I feel bad for people who care about the product still and amusingly laugh at myself when wwe asks itself why ratings are slowing to a drizzle. Did you watch? Because if you watched, then you really do care too, even if you care little. Did you watch on WWE Network or PPV? Because if you did, then you didn't stumble on this show by accident. Point is, nobody posting here on these wrestling topics is better than another. If you didn't care, you'd be watching something else. And even if you didn't watch, you're here, 5 minutes after a PPV. So you cared enough to post about current events, even if negatively. Condescending other fans is the weirdest thing around here.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jul 19, 2015 21:52:35 GMT -5
I've never liked the "tap hand humbly and nimbly on another's hand" finish. Makes one look like a baby being given a smacked bottom. If you're gonna tap like a mother, smack the floor with some intensity.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 19, 2015 21:52:43 GMT -5
Owens losing doesn't bug me, but the ending was meh. As someone mentioned before. Have him pass out and say he never submitted.
And as I said in the ppv thread, most Cena matches anymore seem to be good match, shitty finish.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jul 19, 2015 21:53:33 GMT -5
So regarding the whole Cena merch thing I have a question, and I don't want to hog the main page with another thread so I'm gonna tack it in on here: A kid who was 10 in 2007 and a huge John Cena fan would be 18 now. Are those now 18 year old childhood Cena fans still Cena fans? Or did they just stop watching wrestling? Because at some point you (WWE) has to find a way to keep those kids and develop them into lifelong fans and have them go through the things lifetime wrestling fans go through (watching your favorite lose,watching him turn heel,shitty stretches of time,along with the good stuff that doesn't matter here) otherwise this short term panic model does no one any good because I don't know how many of the childhood Cena fans are sticking around and If they are and they are outgrowing that character there is no one who's an established face for them to identify with. I had Bret Hart when I outgrew Hulk Hogan as a fan. Bret Hart was very different than Hulk Hogan. Not counting NXT guys who do these kids have? Roman Reigns? Or more Cena?
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Post by metylerca on Jul 19, 2015 21:54:06 GMT -5
This is why the WWE ratings are slowly going down. There's absolutely no reason to become emotionally invested with the product. Hence why I find myself usually reading the results, hearing about it from friends, or reading about it on here as well. I just can't really bring myself to care anymore due to the horrible booking and their lack of building up new stars. Of course not having a legitimate competitor to kick them in the ass is the one major factor to the WWE's inability to create an exciting product. Formulaic RAWs are why ratings have gone down. 3 hour flagship shows, scaring off new customers from potentially being hooked is why the ratings have gone down. Cena winning matches is far from the problem.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 19, 2015 21:55:53 GMT -5
This is why the WWE ratings are slowly going down. There's absolutely no reason to become emotionally invested with the product. Hence why I find myself usually reading the results, hearing about it from friends, or reading about it on here as well. I just can't really bring myself to care anymore due to the horrible booking and their lack of building up new stars. Of course not having a legitimate competitor to kick them in the ass is the one major factor to the WWE's inability to create an exciting product. Formulaic RAWs are why ratings have gone down. 3 hour flagship shows, scaring off new customers from potentially being hooked is why the ratings have gone down. Cena winning matches is far from the problem. I am not saying he's the sole problem, but the way he's booked is a major factor too. Hardcore fans and as you said new fans just don't have a reason to care anymore.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 19, 2015 21:57:54 GMT -5
The saddest part is, Cena was right
Owens was just "The next guy for him to beat", and he did
It's just getting to the point of it being downright disgusting at this point...
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Post by Jiren on Jul 19, 2015 21:58:49 GMT -5
I've become numb to Cena winning nowadays
"Cena won?, shocker"
The company is too happy in its complacency, it's destroyed all hope I have in WWE
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Post by BorneAgain on Jul 19, 2015 21:59:13 GMT -5
Cena beating Owens back to back is so little a surprise to me, I'm not even mad. Its like being upset at at HHH and Stephanie getting 20 minute segments on Raw, what are you really expecting at this point?
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Jul 19, 2015 22:02:12 GMT -5
I feel bad for people who care about the product still and amusingly laugh at myself when wwe asks itself why ratings are slowing to a drizzle. Did you watch? Because if you watched, then you really do care too, even if you care little. Did you watch on WWE Network or PPV? Because if you did, then you didn't stumble on this show by accident. Point is, nobody posting here on these wrestling topics is better than another. If you didn't care, you'd be watching something else. And even if you didn't watch, you're here, 5 minutes after a PPV. So you cared enough to post about current events, even if negatively. Condescending other fans is the weirdest thing around here. I never said I did not care. What I meant was those who watch regularly, I don't and when I try I am often treated to nonsense like the Owens/Cena match.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 19, 2015 22:03:41 GMT -5
So regarding the whole Cena merch thing I have a question, and I don't want to hog the main page with another thread so I'm gonna tack it in on here: A kid who was 10 in 2007 and a huge John Cena fan would be 18 now. Are those now 18 year old childhood Cena fans still Cena fans? Or did they just stop watching wrestling? Because at some point you (WWE) has to find a way to keep those kids and develop them into lifelong fans and have them go through the things lifetime wrestling fans go through (watching your favorite lose,watching him turn heel,shitty stretches of time,along with the good stuff that doesn't matter here) otherwise this short term panic model does no one any good because I don't how many of the childhood Cena fans are sticking around and If they are and they are outgrowing that character there is no one who's an established face for them to identify with. I had Bret Hart when I outgrew Hulk Hogan as a fan. Bret Hart was very different than Hulk Hogan. Not counting NXT guys who do these kids have? Roman Reigns? Or more Cena? A friend of mine made a telling statement a while back regarding the WWE and it seems more telling now. If Jeff Hardy never left, if CM Punk had the machine behind him, and say if they fully got behind Daniel Bryan like they should've we'd be talking a different story with Cena. Jeff had a unique look and style that was edgy enough for the hardcore fans and friendly enough for the kids, he was receiving massive pops, merch sales through the roof, and had the WWE behind him if he hadn't left or screwed up afterwards. I honestly believe myself if he never left Cena would've already turned heel or been pushed further down at some point.
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Post by metylerca on Jul 19, 2015 22:06:11 GMT -5
Formulaic RAWs are why ratings have gone down. 3 hour flagship shows, scaring off new customers from potentially being hooked is why the ratings have gone down. Cena winning matches is far from the problem. I am not saying he's the sole problem, but the way he's booked is a major factor too. Hardcore fans and as you said new fans just don't have a reason to care anymore. I just have a problem equating the dudes who post "f*** CENA" and "f*** THIS COMPANY I'M DONE!" (continuously, meaning they were never 'done') with fans who actually stop watching. People grow out of it. They have kids and have less time for televised hobbies. I was the biggest fan in the world in my mind when I was 21, Punk's pipebomb spoke to me and plenty of other fans who felt the same way. And I'm 25 now with a job and more priorities, watching much less WWE than before. There's so many other things to do, and to watch. As we know, people's tastes change. A 3 hour show in an era where people barely have time for Netflix excursions will do that to you. John Cena has won and won and won since 2005. No way a win in 2015 is a fridge too far. The fans who complain the loudest are the ones who care the most and ones more likely to watch than those who stop watching. The ones who cease their WWE fandom are the ones you never hear from, because as I said before, they have better things to do than threaten others with the horrifying loss of their single USA Network view on a Monday night. And don't get me started on illegal streamers. The worst.
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