the2ndevil
Grimlock
Super Seducer Survivor
Where Is Your Santa, Now?
Posts: 13,632
|
Post by the2ndevil on Jul 19, 2015 22:37:32 GMT -5
I'm glad Cena won. Owens' character and performance make me want him to never, ever win another match ever again because he's that much of a prick.
|
|
Perd
Patti Mayonnaise
Leslie needs to butt out for fear of receiving The Bunghole Buster
Posts: 32,027
|
Post by Perd on Jul 19, 2015 22:41:23 GMT -5
Cena has f***ed more newcomers than Ed Powers.
|
|
|
Post by SenorCrest on Jul 19, 2015 22:41:58 GMT -5
That match was wack as f***, I don't care what anyone says. Easily the worst they've had together. No real flow whatsoever, they just did MOVES~! while barely selling most of them. That was a bad ROH match. Really hope these two don't wrestle again just because I'm tired of these matches. I'm glad I'm not the only one that wasn't into the match. Ignoring the LOLCENAWINS (because what else can you do at this point?) It just felt directionless, and I'm not a fan of 800 finishers in a match. You think if they knew they were going to do a three match feud thing that they would hold out on some big moves and sprinkle them out.
|
|
BorneAgain
Fry's dog Seymour
Posts: 20,317
Member is Online
|
Post by BorneAgain on Jul 19, 2015 22:48:53 GMT -5
The problem isn't so much that Cena defeating guys, its that WWE has set a precedent that unless you beat Cena clean, it doesn't matter how impressive you are in your dirty victory/clean loss, you will eventually drop back down the card. Punk, Bryan, Lesnar; all beat him for a championship clean and all either kept their spots or were elevated. Everybody else? Ziggler, Sandow, Wyatt, Rusev, etc; didn't matter how great they looked in their loss or that they technically beat him in some fashion, within two months they were no better off or in some cases worse off.
Its hard to look at Owens losing to Cena back to back and really predicting he keeps his spot on the card or goes higher.
|
|
Chainsaw
T
A very BAD man.
It is what it is
Posts: 90,480
|
Post by Chainsaw on Jul 19, 2015 22:59:32 GMT -5
I have reached the point where me saying what I want to say about Cena and his career would get me banned from this board. So, here's a picture of a baby red panda.
|
|
Shark
Hank Scorpio
The world's only Samurai Ninja Pirate
Posts: 7,045
|
Post by Shark on Jul 19, 2015 23:06:31 GMT -5
The problem isn't so much that Cena defeating guys, its that WWE has set a precedent that unless you beat Cena clean, it doesn't matter how impressive you are in your dirty victory/clean loss, you will eventually drop back down the card. Punk, Bryan, Lesnar; all beat him for a championship clean and all either kept their spots or were elevated. Everybody else? Ziggler, Sandow, Wyatt, Rusev, etc; didn't matter how great they looked in their loss or that they technically beat him in some fashion, within two months they were no better off or in some cases worse off. Its hard to look at Owens losing to Cena back to back and really predicting he keeps his spot on the card or goes higher. I think they've actually set an even worse precedent in that even a clean win over Cena means nothing since he'll still win in the end.
|
|
TheDieselTrain
Fry's dog Seymour
Chicks Dig Hootie.
Is Stone Cold gonna have to smack a bitch?? WHAT!!!?????
Posts: 23,724
|
Post by TheDieselTrain on Jul 19, 2015 23:09:51 GMT -5
I know people will say "See you next week" but i`m skipping RAW tomorrow...and not sure after that,i know FOR SURE,I am never watching ANYTHING Cena related even if i love the other guys. I've been like that for many months now and I used to pause when he came on so I could fast forward through his crap and now I change the channel completely when he's on. I don't think I've seen a single one of his open challenge matches because I am not interested in the slightest in watching a foregone conclusion match.
|
|
|
Post by SenorCrest on Jul 19, 2015 23:11:25 GMT -5
The worst part is that once Cena loses that belt it will go back to being pointless again.
|
|
Dub H
Crow T. Robot
Captain Pixel: the Game Master
I ❤ Aniki
Posts: 47,915
|
Post by Dub H on Jul 19, 2015 23:18:54 GMT -5
I know people will say "See you next week" but i`m skipping RAW tomorrow...and not sure after that,i know FOR SURE,I am never watching ANYTHING Cena related even if i love the other guys. I've been like that for many months now and I used to pause when he came on so I could fast forward through his crap and now I change the channel completely when he's on. I don't think I've seen a single one of his open challenge matches because I am not interested in the slightest in watching a foregone conclusion match. I skipped many of his feuds(Wyatt,Rusev,etc)but i loved Owens since i saw him on NXT so i gave it shot.Never again
|
|
Dub H
Crow T. Robot
Captain Pixel: the Game Master
I ❤ Aniki
Posts: 47,915
|
Post by Dub H on Jul 19, 2015 23:19:17 GMT -5
The problem isn't so much that Cena defeating guys, its that WWE has set a precedent that unless you beat Cena clean, it doesn't matter how impressive you are in your dirty victory/clean loss, you will eventually drop back down the card. Punk, Bryan, Lesnar; all beat him for a championship clean and all either kept their spots or were elevated. Everybody else? Ziggler, Sandow, Wyatt, Rusev, etc; didn't matter how great they looked in their loss or that they technically beat him in some fashion, within two months they were no better off or in some cases worse off. Its hard to look at Owens losing to Cena back to back and really predicting he keeps his spot on the card or goes higher. I think they've actually set an even worse precedent in that even a clean win over Cena means nothing since he'll still win in the end. that is probably the bigger issue
|
|
Chainsaw
T
A very BAD man.
It is what it is
Posts: 90,480
|
Post by Chainsaw on Jul 19, 2015 23:21:03 GMT -5
The new slogan for NXT should be "NXT: We're The Ones Without Cena".
A million new subscribers.
|
|
|
Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jul 19, 2015 23:25:00 GMT -5
|
|
pegasuswarrior
El Dandy
Three Time FAN Idol Champion
@PulpPictionary
Posts: 8,748
|
Post by pegasuswarrior on Jul 19, 2015 23:30:56 GMT -5
At least he cut a good post match interview, too bad this Cena will never see RAW: Good post. Thanks for this. That's a great post-match mini-interview. That's how it should be done right there. A cartoon variation of this will be available tomorrow night on RAW. Stay tuned, kiddies.
|
|
Reflecto
Hank Scorpio
The Sorceress' Knight
Posts: 6,847
|
Post by Reflecto on Jul 19, 2015 23:32:14 GMT -5
Whatever. Everyone says it's bad when John Cena beats Kevin Owens- but he's going to be fine. Be honest, the people complaining tonight will be the first ones on WWE.com in December to buy the "DANCE OWENS DANCE" T-shirt, so relax! So regarding the whole Cena merch thing I have a question, and I don't want to hog the main page with another thread so I'm gonna tack it in on here: A kid who was 10 in 2007 and a huge John Cena fan would be 18 now. Are those now 18 year old childhood Cena fans still Cena fans? Or did they just stop watching wrestling? Because at some point you (WWE) has to find a way to keep those kids and develop them into lifelong fans and have them go through the things lifetime wrestling fans go through (watching your favorite lose,watching him turn heel,shitty stretches of time,along with the good stuff that doesn't matter here) otherwise this short term panic model does no one any good because I don't know how many of the childhood Cena fans are sticking around and If they are and they are outgrowing that character there is no one who's an established face for them to identify with. I had Bret Hart when I outgrew Hulk Hogan as a fan. Bret Hart was very different than Hulk Hogan. Not counting NXT guys who do these kids have? Roman Reigns? Or more Cena? Being fair, the bigger problem with that is the same issue it's always been for John Cena in the Internet age: A kid who was 8-10 years old at any point of the reign of John Cena would turn 13 a couple years later and have free Internet coverage. Once they have that, then inevitably that child would go to wrestling message boards and see how unpopular John Cena is. THAT would kill Cena's like more than anything, because it goes into the simple fact: When you're 13, wanting to be popular and fitting in is more important than anything- so a 13 year old fan would immediately turn on Cena just to get e-cred with their new message board. The issue won't just be to find 18 year old Cena fans in childhood, because most of the common ones would be the 8 year old fans enamored by Cena fighting the Nexus in 2010, who became the 13 year olds saying "No, no, I ALWAYS only watched Rings of Honor when I was growing up and never liked that WWE crap! I remember being like 6 years old and crying my eyes out when Sami Zayn was being beaten up by Kevin Owens in the ring, and cheering my lungs out for Seth Rollins fighting Hideo Itami! No, I don't know about those loser jobbers El Generico, Kevin Steen, Tyler Black, or KENTA...why do you ask?"
|
|
|
Post by Gerard Gerard on Jul 19, 2015 23:35:35 GMT -5
I would pay good money for a Cena opponent to actively trying to diminish their match with Cena as a counter-tactic to the "Big Match Cena" problem.
|
|
|
Post by Milkman Norm on Jul 19, 2015 23:36:52 GMT -5
Whatever. Everyone says it's bad when John Cena beats Kevin Owens- but he's going to be fine. Be honest, the people complaining tonight will be the first ones on WWE.com in December to buy the "DANCE OWENS DANCE" T-shirt, so relax! So regarding the whole Cena merch thing I have a question, and I don't want to hog the main page with another thread so I'm gonna tack it in on here: A kid who was 10 in 2007 and a huge John Cena fan would be 18 now. Are those now 18 year old childhood Cena fans still Cena fans? Or did they just stop watching wrestling? Because at some point you (WWE) has to find a way to keep those kids and develop them into lifelong fans and have them go through the things lifetime wrestling fans go through (watching your favorite lose,watching him turn heel,shitty stretches of time,along with the good stuff that doesn't matter here) otherwise this short term panic model does no one any good because I don't know how many of the childhood Cena fans are sticking around and If they are and they are outgrowing that character there is no one who's an established face for them to identify with. I had Bret Hart when I outgrew Hulk Hogan as a fan. Bret Hart was very different than Hulk Hogan. Not counting NXT guys who do these kids have? Roman Reigns? Or more Cena? Being fair, the bigger problem with that is the same issue it's always been for John Cena in the Internet age: A kid who was 8-10 years old at any point of the reign of John Cena would turn 13 a couple years later and have free Internet coverage. Once they have that, then inevitably that child would go to wrestling message boards and see how unpopular John Cena is. THAT would kill Cena's like more than anything, because it goes into the simple fact: When you're 13, wanting to be popular and fitting in is more important than anything- so a 13 year old fan would immediately turn on Cena just to get e-cred with their new message board. The issue won't just be to find 18 year old Cena fans in childhood, because most of the common ones would be the 8 year old fans enamored by Cena fighting the Nexus in 2010, who became the 13 year olds saying "No, no, I ALWAYS only watched Rings of Honor when I was growing up and never liked that WWE crap! I remember being like 6 years old and crying my eyes out when Sami Zayn was being beaten up by Kevin Owens in the ring, and cheering my lungs out for Seth Rollins fighting Hideo Itami! No, I don't know about those loser jobbers El Generico, Kevin Steen, Tyler Black, or KENTA...why do you ask?" I agree with your second point but I don't think it's relevant here. The first one is though in the sense that those 13 year olds may have turned away from Cena but have the also stopped watching WWE? Because those post-Cena kids could drive merchandise sales of other guys.
|
|
|
Post by Hit Girl on Jul 19, 2015 23:44:51 GMT -5
I like Cena, but unfortunately none of his storylines follow any kind of narrative logic. There is never any arc, any low leading to a triumphal high, no conventional tried and tested trope. It's just awful.
If he was Rocky, he would have beaten Clubber Lang, then beat him again in the rematch. If he was Chief Brody, he'd have shot Jaws dead in the first 15 minutes of the film. If he was Luke Skywalker, he'd have beaten Darth Vader at Cloud City.
For a company that claims to "make movies", they sure do make ones with the shittiest of writing.
|
|
|
Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Jul 19, 2015 23:47:56 GMT -5
So...when will Owens start twerking?
TWERK OWENS TWERK
|
|
Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
FANatic
Writer, Lover of all things Wrestling. Analytical, Critical, Lovable (hopefully). Lets all have fun!
Posts: 237,313
|
Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 19, 2015 23:57:07 GMT -5
I'm glad Cena won. Owens' character and performance make me want him to never, ever win another match ever again because he's that much of a prick. Funny, because that's exactly how I feel about Cena and why I never want to see him win another match ever again.
|
|
|
Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jul 20, 2015 0:26:44 GMT -5
|
|