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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 3, 2015 16:19:32 GMT -5
They keep posting videos of ZZ f***ing up hoping it works too. Man, it's hard to watch this. Jesus christ, he's really going to hurt someone. I haven't seen an episode of the show yet but that's scary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 16:29:53 GMT -5
Tanner actually shows some good athleticism. But Jesus why does every lean athletic long haired wrestler with a beard has a personality dull as dishwater? Like JoMo, Seth Rollins (Pre-Authority), etc. But I kind of wish Tough Enough had way more showings of wrestling drills than f***ing challenges. Like the main selling point of Tough Enough is a televised show of wrestling school except it's a competition. Like I get some of the weirder personality/cutting promo challenges but for all the physical challenges, unless if it's something really physical or a cool spectacle like running in that stadium that hosted Wrestlemania 24, there's no point to them.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 3, 2015 16:30:27 GMT -5
The fact that Patrick and Mata are gone and that ZZ is still there proves this show is rigged. You think it was coincidence that Miz decided to save Amanda when Amanda actually had the least number of votes last week. Even the most of the group said ZZ should go last week. Patrick and Mata clearly had the look, personality, and ability to make it in the WWE and they were conveniently put in the bottom 3 for talking trash and being sabotaged during a competition. But the out of shape, mumbling country boy who wants to make people laugh is still there. I do know if it's WWE trying to make a statement that any joe can be a superstar or sticking it to the fans (not like it's the first time), or what. Until ZZ is gone, the show is a crock. If anything, Mada eing eliminated proves it's not rigged. Mada is handsome, tall, jacked, charismatic, and even has the Hollywood/mainstream connection WWE so desperately desires (he was Khal Drogo's personal trainer). Ain't no way in a Jamaican's tank top that WWE would purposefully eliminate him over an out-of-shape manchild who will probably walk off with the 250K and never step into a ring again when this is all over. And I'll defend Miz saving Amanda, and not just because she's hot; there was no way ZZ was getting the bottom vote, because we've found ourselves in a fix with TE6 where people would rather vote for the guy they'd like to have a beer with as opposed to the guy who is actually qualified. Miz saving the "pointless bimbo" should've put Bryan or Paige in a position where they were forced to save the guy who deserved to stay the most rather than risk him getting eliminated. Instead, just like with Patrick, they pissed and moaned about ZZ staying over someone who deserved to stay instead of actually doing something about it, like they do every week.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 16:43:18 GMT -5
The fact that Patrick and Mata are gone and that ZZ is still there proves this show is rigged. You think it was coincidence that Miz decided to save Amanda when Amanda actually had the least number of votes last week. Even the most of the group said ZZ should go last week. Patrick and Mata clearly had the look, personality, and ability to make it in the WWE and they were conveniently put in the bottom 3 for talking trash and being sabotaged during a competition. But the out of shape, mumbling country boy who wants to make people laugh is still there. I do know if it's WWE trying to make a statement that any joe can be a superstar or sticking it to the fans (not like it's the first time), or what. Until ZZ is gone, the show is a crock. If anything, Mada eing eliminated proves it's not rigged. Mada is handsome, tall, jacked, charismatic, and even has the Hollywood/mainstream connection WWE so desperately desires (he was Khal Drogo's personal trainer). Ain't no way in a Jamaican's tank top that WWE would purposefully eliminate him over an out-of-shape manchild who will probably walk off with the 250K and never step into a ring again when this is all over. And I'll defend Miz saving Amanda, and not just because she's hot; there was no way ZZ was getting the bottom vote, because we've found ourselves in a fix with TE6 where people would rather vote for the guy they'd like to have a beer with as opposed to the guy who is actually qualified. Miz saving the "pointless bimbo" should've put Bryan or Paige in a position where they were forced to save the guy who deserved to stay the most rather than risk him getting eliminated. Instead, just like with Patrick, they pissed and moaned about ZZ staying over someone who deserved to stay instead of actually doing something about it, like they do every week. Also Jason Momoa's directorial debut film "Road to Paloma" in which he starred in is a WWE Studio's Film. So there is already that connection so I agreed it's not fixed. WWE always tries hard to influence votes or set up people for failure or any other trick in the book to get the results they wanted, but all the voting results has been proven to be legitimate for the past decade.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Aug 3, 2015 17:09:31 GMT -5
Next WWE video: ZZ clogs the toilet
"Dammit ZZ, you can't even use a plunger?!?!"
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Post by xCompackx on Aug 3, 2015 18:36:06 GMT -5
Y'know, I don't know how much shit someone who's never done any of this before in their lives deserves, but that was kinda bad. That said, is the intent to get ZZ eliminated? Because I find these endlessly entertaining.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 3, 2015 18:43:04 GMT -5
Y'know, I don't know how much shit someone who's never done any of this before in their lives deserves, but that was kinda bad. That said, is the intent to get ZZ eliminated? Because I find these endlessly entertaining. And that's what makes me hate this situation even more. Even if they bury the shit out of the guy, a ridiculous amount of time and resources are going into burying the shit out ZZ when it would be better used to showcase those who actually have potential.
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Post by nm on Aug 3, 2015 18:46:37 GMT -5
ZZ Bottom
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Post by Professor Chaos on Aug 3, 2015 18:53:01 GMT -5
I'm picturing all of the referees sitting in a boardroom angrily shaking their fists that ZZ must go.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Aug 3, 2015 23:10:18 GMT -5
Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha
Up yours, WWE "brain trust"
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Post by Milkman Norm on Aug 3, 2015 23:15:41 GMT -5
I'm picturing all of the referees sitting in a boardroom angrily shaking their fists that ZZ must go. Am I the only person who thought of "This Jesus Must Die." from Jesus Christ Superstar when they read this post? Probably.
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Post by Danimal on Aug 3, 2015 23:19:17 GMT -5
ZZ is like Tough Enough's Sanjaya, except he's lasting even longer than Idol's dud and could take the whole deal. It's hilarious. That's what they get for coming-up with such a stupid format.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Aug 3, 2015 23:26:22 GMT -5
ZZ is like Tough Enough's Sanjaya, except he's lasting even longer Idol's dud and could take the whole deal. It's hilarious. That's what they get for coming-up with such a stupid format. They should have taken the hint from American Idol. When they wanted Sanjaya gone they focused on the talented people and when it came to Sanjaya they said things like "you're a nice guy, you've got a decent voice but the talent of the top group is beyond you" and the people voted for the talented ones because the threat was if you didn't give up Sanjaya someone who you really liked might go home. Now WWE basically tells its viewers "ZZ sucks, he's terrible, look at how shitty he is. Do you take the hint? Do you? Well anyway here's more videos of us showing how much of a piece of crap this guy is? Anything let?..." Making a lot of voters to support the guy because in the context of the show who doesn't like an underdog? If they went with the AI technique and played up ZZ's enthusiasm and heart and love of wrestling but also his lack of skill and conditioning and then presented (I don't watch the show) as someone who had those things and talent I think things would go differently.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 3, 2015 23:30:39 GMT -5
ZZ is like Tough Enough's Sanjaya, except he's lasting even longer Idol's dud and could take the whole deal. It's hilarious. That's what they get for coming-up with such a stupid format. They should have taken the hint from American Idol. When they wanted Sanjaya gone they focused on the talented people and when it came to Sanjaya they said things like "you're a nice guy, you've got a decent voice but the talent of the top group is beyond you" and the people voted for the talented ones because the threat was if you didn't give up Sanjaya someone who you really liked might go home. Now WWE basically tells its viewers "ZZ sucks, he's terrible, look at how shitty he is. Do you take the hint? Do you? Well anyway here's more videos of us showing how much of a piece of crap this guy is? Anything let?..." Making a lot of voters to support the guy because in the context of the show who doesn't like an underdog? If they went with the AI technique and played up ZZ's enthusiasm and heart and love of wrestling but also his lack of skill and conditioning and then presented (I don't watch the show) as someone who had those things and talent I think things would go differently. Fans aren't voting for ZZ to support the underdog anymore. They hate him now too. They're just voting for him out of spite now.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Aug 3, 2015 23:31:13 GMT -5
Do enough people watch TE to even care if ZZ gets used or not if he wins?
ZZ looks real bad. I mean you could take even the best guy from that show and he would still need months and months of training.
My guess is that if ZZ does win and USA absolutely requires he be used, then it'll be in nothing more than comedy pretaped segments.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 23:36:23 GMT -5
Man, I went to a Booker T camp where we did exactly what they are doing basically. Book has said it himself, and all of us where more competent than ZZ.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Aug 3, 2015 23:38:42 GMT -5
They should have taken the hint from American Idol. When they wanted Sanjaya gone they focused on the talented people and when it came to Sanjaya they said things like "you're a nice guy, you've got a decent voice but the talent of the top group is beyond you" and the people voted for the talented ones because the threat was if you didn't give up Sanjaya someone who you really liked might go home. Now WWE basically tells its viewers "ZZ sucks, he's terrible, look at how shitty he is. Do you take the hint? Do you? Well anyway here's more videos of us showing how much of a piece of crap this guy is? Anything let?..." Making a lot of voters to support the guy because in the context of the show who doesn't like an underdog? If they went with the AI technique and played up ZZ's enthusiasm and heart and love of wrestling but also his lack of skill and conditioning and then presented (I don't watch the show) as someone who had those things and talent I think things would go differently. Fans aren't voting for ZZ to support the underdog anymore. They hate him now too. They're just voting for him out of spite now. Which is another thing WWE brought on themselves. You set up your entire promotion as run by kayfabe heels on your wrestling shows for years and years and it starts to bleed into other fake realities you create. It sounds weird but I think people understand what I'm saying.
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Post by freeze Austin on Aug 3, 2015 23:43:22 GMT -5
Why did they let him through to the voting rounds if they didn't actually want anyone to vote for him?
I mean based on talent I don't think he should win obviously, but it seems rather pathetic and petty for them to more or less start an anti-ZZ (or any contestant they don't want to win) campaign halfway through the show just because they're scared he might win and they'll have to sign this dude to a multi-year contract. They put him on there because they wanted a "reality star" to amuse and entertain, now they should live with the consequences and let the chips fall where they may.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 2:07:27 GMT -5
Why did they let him through to the voting rounds if they didn't actually want anyone to vote for him? I mean based on talent I don't think he should win obviously, but it seems rather pathetic and petty for them to more or less start an anti-ZZ (or any contestant they don't want to win) campaign halfway through the show just because they're scared he might win and they'll have to sign this dude to a multi-year contract. They put him on there because they wanted a "reality star" to amuse and entertain, now they should live with the consequences and let the chips fall where they may. To be fair during the first few weeks and in the network try out special it really did look like he had tons of heart and gave it his all. The reasoning is he would continue on with his heart he showed and will improve physically. Also the guy was a gator wrestler so he did have lots of weird functional strength doing that and it's easier to mold someone who already has functional strength. But as the show progresses you can see the dude is getting more burnt out, overwhelmed, moody, depressed, and overworked by the week. Like dude has amazing wit and always knew what to say during those first few weeks when he seemed happy, now he's just there and he knows he's just there and he's barely motivated to think what to say next. Like if he did win I won't be shocked he quits right away and walks home with the money or works the minimal amount of days to get that owed salary. I think it's WWE's fault to take a risk on a 18 year old kid who was probably a casual fan of wrestling to be on their show. Nobody really knows what the f*** they want to do in life at 18. Even when you think you do, you later don't when it's not what you expected it to be
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Post by Reflecto on Aug 4, 2015 3:52:32 GMT -5
Fans aren't voting for ZZ to support the underdog anymore. They hate him now too. They're just voting for him out of spite now. Which is another thing WWE brought on themselves. You set up your entire promotion as run by kayfabe heels on your wrestling shows for years and years and it starts to bleed into other fake realities you create. It sounds weird but I think people understand what I'm saying. But that's the other side of the problem: The ZZ, and to a lesser extent the Sara, votes are now basically done out of spite by fans just trolling the WWE. It's become less "vote for the fat, funny guy or the kind of awkward girl" and come into a "we know they're the worst of the group by now- but we also know USA's going to MAKE them push these two as huge stars- and when we do this, THIS WILL BE OUR REVENGE ON WWE for the years of dissatisfaction they've given us and drawn us to this point. WWE's taken the hardcore long-time fans for granted for so long that we need to strike this as a huge blow against them." The only problem though- by doing this, these fans voting for them are doing the EXACT OPPOSITE of what they say they want. If the fans' viewpoint is "we want people who actually have talent?" They'd vote for the most talented performers on the show. If the fans' viewpoint is "we want a more indy-influenced show where WWE becomes the indies' finishing school?" Suddenly, Patrick and Chelsea should be destroying all the votes and romping to the contracts as the two indy-experienced wrestlers. All the things that the dissatisfied fans of WWE SAY they've wanted for so long are being shot in the foot by these spite votes, and anyone who's seen this story for a long time knows that if ZZ or Sara showed up at random on NXT television or WWE TV one week, without the benefits of Tough Enough, they'd be despised and rightly mocked. (Heck, a lot of fans may be EXPECTING THAT and claiming to vote for the ZZ/Sara contracts as their revenge, but REALLY voting for that moment they debut and they can finally change it to the "lol j/k. U MAD?" moment they can have when they turn on them.) THIS is the reason that people should be fighting it- if you're dissatisfied with what WWE's doing and you need to protest their treatment of the fans, the first step is to make sure, at all points, the same goals are kept there. When you have a firm, stated goal of why you want to change the WWE for the better and get them to treat the fans like they matter, keeping it going and making it clear "we promise you we'll give you the reactions you want from us...hell, we'll even let you have a couple of your own projects, if you just give us THIS ONE!", keeps the onus on them to do what we want and make it clear we can be happy if you do these things for what we want. Once there's enough proof of the fans who are dissatisfied just wanting to be trolls and derail the whole company just for the lulz, that's when the WWE would realize "the better course of business is to do what we want to and accept they just want to complain" at best...at worst, and most optimum, "We did the math, you're just going to derail all our shows just to derail them, we know it's a problem- and now, WWE is fighting back. We fought the federal government and got them to blink, we fought WCW and got THEM to blink- and now, we're fighting YOU FANS. If we have to make Hornswoggle the WWE World Champ, we'll do it, if we have to make Stephanie McMahon the WWE World Heavyweight Champ and have her hold it for 12 years, we'll do it, if we have to buy every indy promotion, puro promotion, lucha promotion, we'll do it- but we know what's best for business, and listening to you is not it...but as long as you're here, we'll never be able to put on a good TV show again- so therefore, for the good of World Wrestling Entertainment, WE WILL MAKE YOU GIVE UP FOLLOWING PRO WRESTLING ENTIRELY."
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