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Post by Juice on Aug 2, 2015 7:56:03 GMT -5
Do the ufc is fake videos still exist?
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Post by JTH on Aug 2, 2015 8:09:11 GMT -5
I think the biggest irony of all this is that Rousey dedicated her match to a "fake" athlete(Roddy Rowdy Piper). The even bigger irony is 1: HHH & Stephanie are hanging out with the man that called out their business & 2: They're supporting Ronda Rousey, a person who aren't they supposed to be...hating right now?
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Post by progwd on Aug 2, 2015 8:24:44 GMT -5
I think the biggest irony of all this is that Rousey dedicated her match to a "fake" athlete(Roddy Rowdy Piper). The even bigger irony is 1: HHH & Stephanie are hanging out with the man that called out their business & 2: They're supporting Ronda Rousey, a person who aren't they supposed to be...hating right now? That's not Dana White...
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Post by Reflecto on Aug 2, 2015 8:41:01 GMT -5
The even bigger irony is 1: HHH & Stephanie are hanging out with the man that called out their business & 2: They're supporting Ronda Rousey, a person who aren't they supposed to be...hating right now? That's not Dana White... Even then, the point is that, if nothing else, Dana White does respect the WWE's business model enough- even with these claims, that both the McMahons and Zuffa know that there's benefits to each side's approach: UFC has the "we're REAL, you're FAKE" argument that they can play (and did), but WWE has a far easier road to building up new stars than UFC ever can- if WWE builds a big fight as a big fight main event, you know a WWE main event is going 30 minutes instead of 30 seconds, and likewise, unlike in UFC, there's no chance in hell that something like "Seth Rollins will lose the WWE World Heavyweight Championship to Zack Ryder after Ryder gets one lucky punch in, destroying Rollins's push and aura in an instant" will ever happen in the WWE- where in UFC, it is a serious risk. Both sides know the inherent benefits and can be friendly enough with each other (and the beginning Tweet was kind of dickish to UFC, so it's only likely Dana White would be equally dickish in tone.)
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 2, 2015 8:50:33 GMT -5
Every one of those examples is when something went wrong though. Every one. I'll grant you the word 'fake' is loaded with negative connotations (unnecessarily so really, but facts are facts), but calling something staged, pre-determined, etc is just using a different label to describe the same thing. Of course people get hurt when things go wrong; it's still not actual competition. If a dude falls off a trapeze at the circus, he'd get hurt too. It doesn't mean the trapeze act is 'real' in a competition sense.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Aug 2, 2015 9:25:46 GMT -5
Yeah, Dane White is a douche, what else is new?
It's my personal belief and experience that the "You know wrestling's fake, right?" crowd are people who were well into adulthood before realising/being told that it's predetermined, and not real, making them feel dumb and having the need to point it out to others.
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Post by r. on Aug 2, 2015 10:18:57 GMT -5
Every one of those examples is when something went wrong though. Every one. I'll grant you the word 'fake' is loaded with negative connotations (unnecessarily so really, but facts are facts), but calling something staged, pre-determined, etc is just using a different label to describe the same thing. Of course people get hurt when things go wrong; it's still not actual competition. If a dude falls off a trapeze at the circus, he'd get hurt too. It doesn't mean the trapeze act is 'real' in a competition sense. Your exactly right, Things can go wrong as in any performance and to trivialize the whole profession with the label "fake" discredits the countless individuals who've shortened and or lost there lives to entertain others.
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Post by r. on Aug 2, 2015 10:22:55 GMT -5
Once again, all of the above were accidents. Dana didn't say "it's fake and my grandma could probably do it", he meant the results. Even that isn't all the accurate, Someone is chosen to win, What happens after is what I'd best call light fighting between two people who don't want to hurt each other. Dana knew exactly what he meant.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 11:22:01 GMT -5
I don't really get why people get so in a tizzy when stuff like this happens. No one in 2015 reasonably believes that pro wrestling is not a dangerous thing, it's not a revelation that it's pre-determined, or "fake." People who aren't as passionately locked in will easily dismiss it as fake and not really think about it and I don't think it's really all that offensive. I understand calling him on it but some of the fervor over this is completely over the top.
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 2, 2015 11:34:21 GMT -5
My problem with his statement is that he claims he's not disrespecting what wrestlers do.
If he really respected what they did, he would've chosen a better word than "fake".
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Aug 2, 2015 11:38:59 GMT -5
I don't really get why people get so in a tizzy when stuff like this happens. No one in 2015 reasonably believes that pro wrestling is not a dangerous thing, it's not a revelation that it's pre-determined, or "fake." People who aren't as passionately locked in will easily dismiss it as fake and not really think about it and I don't think it's really all that offensive. I understand calling him on it but some of the fervor over this is completely over the top. Because it's a slap in the face to the men and women who have both lived and died for this "fake" sport. Predetermined? Yes. Choreographed? Absolutely. Fake? Perhaps he should give it a go and get back to us on that one.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 2, 2015 11:46:27 GMT -5
Fake probably just rolls off the tongue for him better. You really think Dana knows words with more than three syllables?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 2, 2015 11:47:15 GMT -5
That's just a semantics argument though. There needn't be an inherent moral judgment in the word fake any more than scripted or whatever else you wanna use. They're just synonyms.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 11:49:05 GMT -5
I don't really get why people get so in a tizzy when stuff like this happens. No one in 2015 reasonably believes that pro wrestling is not a dangerous thing, it's not a revelation that it's pre-determined, or "fake." People who aren't as passionately locked in will easily dismiss it as fake and not really think about it and I don't think it's really all that offensive. I understand calling him on it but some of the fervor over this is completely over the top. Because it's a slap in the face to the men and women who have both lived and died for this "fake" sport. Predetermined? Yes. Choreographed? Absolutely. Fake? Perhaps he should give it a go and get back to us on that one. But in the end what's the damage of Dana White calling it fake? We're wrestling fans, we respect what they do, but if I'm being honest it's very easy to see why someone on the outside would see it the way Dana does. I can enjoy wrestling without the expectation that everyone on the outside place pro wrestlers on a pedestal simply because of the high risk of being a pro wrestler. Like I said, he said something that was worth calling him on but the people who do so, over do it to a point where it doesn't even seem worth it anymore. People jump to 10 before any rational discussion can take place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 11:57:59 GMT -5
You don't have to be trolled by someone saying something negative about something online just because they're well known.
You can just not care. It's super easy. Especially in a case like this where someone like Dana White knows calling wrestling fake incites attention.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Aug 2, 2015 12:00:23 GMT -5
Because it's a slap in the face to the men and women who have both lived and died for this "fake" sport. Predetermined? Yes. Choreographed? Absolutely. Fake? Perhaps he should give it a go and get back to us on that one. But in the end what's the damage of Dana White calling it fake? We're wrestling fans, we respect what they do, but if I'm being honest it's very easy to see why someone on the outside would see it the way Dana does. I can enjoy wrestling without the expectation that everyone on the outside place pro wrestlers on a pedestal simply because of the high risk of being a pro wrestler. Like I said, he said something that was worth calling him on but the people who do so, over do it to a point where it doesn't even seem worth it anymore. People jump to 10 before any rational discussion can take place. No, it's not going to damage wrestling in any way. I'll give you that much. But that's not what this is about. It's just enormously disrespectful, and you'd think someone in his standing would know a lot better than to make a statement of this nature publicly. It's not even a matter of placing someone or a group of people on a pedestal, or changing the perception of everyone outside professional wrestling, it's a simple matter of respect, something he illustrated precious little of making such an ignorant statement.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 12:00:39 GMT -5
You don't have to be trolled by someone saying something negative about something online just because they're well known. You can just not care. It's super easy. Especially in a case like this where someone like Dana White knows calling wrestling fake incites attention. I think a lot of it also is "if I say something aggressive enough he'll respond to me" attention seeking nonsense.
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Post by Sam Punk on Aug 2, 2015 12:03:42 GMT -5
It is fake.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 12:10:27 GMT -5
Every one of those examples is when something went wrong though. Every one. I'll grant you the word 'fake' is loaded with negative connotations (unnecessarily so really, but facts are facts), but calling something staged, pre-determined, etc is just using a different label to describe the same thing. Of course people get hurt when things go wrong; it's still not actual competition. If a dude falls off a trapeze at the circus, he'd get hurt too. It doesn't mean the trapeze act is 'real' in a competition sense. No one would watch a trapeze artist and say "FAKE!" though. Fake is an accurate way to describe wrestling, but it does sort of imply that the risks aren't real. And then we have these arguments/social media skirmishes. There's a better word that can be used, like scripted. But at this point, I think people do it precisely to rile wrestling fans up and laugh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 12:22:13 GMT -5
But in the end what's the damage of Dana White calling it fake? We're wrestling fans, we respect what they do, but if I'm being honest it's very easy to see why someone on the outside would see it the way Dana does. I can enjoy wrestling without the expectation that everyone on the outside place pro wrestlers on a pedestal simply because of the high risk of being a pro wrestler. Like I said, he said something that was worth calling him on but the people who do so, over do it to a point where it doesn't even seem worth it anymore. People jump to 10 before any rational discussion can take place. No, it's not going to damage wrestling in any way. I'll give you that much. But that's not what this is about. It's just enormously disrespectful, and you'd think someone in his standing would know a lot better than to make a statement of this nature publicly. It's not even a matter of placing someone or a group of people on a pedestal, or changing the perception of everyone outside professional wrestling, it's a simple matter of respect, something he illustrated precious little of making such an ignorant statement. Well he did eventually back up and say he respects what wrestlers do and never had a problem with them. You're never gonna get an outright apology from White but he did expand a little. There's also the fact that the only reason he went down that road was because someone else poked at him in the first place. I'm more forgiving because I think we're all guilty of what he did one way or another. If I'm in a room and my family is there watching some dumb reality show I'll be the first to groan at the first sight of any overblown manufactured drama. Like my Dad watches Ice Road Truckers, and that's a dangerous job with its own sacrifices, for sure, but I always laugh at the way they make it seem like literally every time they go out there is a near death experience. People will call a Michael Bay movie a waste of time in spite of probably taking years off of stunt doubles' lives and sometimes outright killing them. Similar to how wrestling fans are now giving Dana White shit because his main events are considered too short when the reality is it's a sport where people are beating the shit out of each other.
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