Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Aug 16, 2015 22:17:50 GMT -5
Except at some point re face kind of has to go over or else the formula gets stale really fast. I don't disagree, nor was I a full time viewer at that time (stopped about WM18), but was there worthy heels to keep these faces over? I agree that Trips reign seemed bad, but he made all of these people over...similar to the way Randy was the perfect champ to keep DBry over. I guess I just think that the 10+ year hate is really what they want... Actually I would argue that each one of them were already over, and had been for some time. And some of them were stars who fans had been waiting to see WWE officially pull the trigger on and make them the top dog for some time. In being booked as legit threats to Triple H as champion they did, indeed, get even more over. And then in being beaten in one sided fashion and not getting any kind of credibility back afterward they were made to look as if they never really posed any threat at all, and all their heat with the audience was gone. In a way it was a precursor to the situation with Daniel Bryan and John Cena; you had several stars who were perfectly capable of carrying the card and of being the top guy-but there just never seemed to be a willingness to give them that chance. And that was where the hate really came from.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 16, 2015 23:47:54 GMT -5
I picked Orton in 09, because of all the McMahon bullshit, but in my opinion he should've put over Randy in 2004...although maybe those were the plans but Orton was too inmature at that point. In his DVD, Randy said that he got into trouble and also arrived late at times, he didn't have that sense of responsibility then.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Aug 17, 2015 4:26:17 GMT -5
Except at some point re face kind of has to go over or else the formula gets stale really fast. I don't disagree, nor was I a full time viewer at that time (stopped about WM18), but was there worthy heels to keep these faces over? I agree that Trips reign seemed bad, but he made all of these people over...similar to the way Randy was the perfect champ to keep DBry over. I guess I just think that the 10+ year hate is really what they want... Triple H did NOT make any of those people over. Dave Batista and Shawn Micheals. There, that's the list of people that came out of a Trips feud better than they went in. Those other people were already over and Trips siphoned their heat on to himself and they were less ovver afterwards. He was hated because he was destroying people fans WANTED to see just so he could get more boos. Most of them were already big merch sellers, many were proven champions elsewhere with large established followings who had adapted to and won over a WWF crowd. CM Punk is the exact same thing that happened to Jericho, Booker, RVD, etc. Similarly that Randy and the Authority didn't keep Daniel Bryan over. He was already over and would have been over if he was feuding with any heel. Bryan was the one getting people to give a shit about Orton and Trips not the other way around. People were chanting yes with Big Show when he appeared with a screen cap of DB to promote the network.
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Post by Dang! on Aug 17, 2015 7:16:01 GMT -5
Laughing after Jeff beat him was an extra-douchey touch. I remember that. Argh.... put them over at least without that. "See that kid? Everyone is looking up at the lights, 1-2-3, after they face me. Because I am the GAME!" I think CM Punk and Jeff Hardy are two prime examples of why HHH has been booked WAY out of his league ever since he married Steph. Both, Punk and Hardy, have just had a little fraction of the time Triple H wasted hogging the main event. However, CM Punk and Jeff Hardy are SO much more memorable and marketable than HHH. People complain about Cena, but Cena is charismatic and sells merch like f***. Hardy isn't even good on the mic, spent half of his time in a small league like TNA and STILL is so much more memorable than that asshole that has been wasting time, title runs and main event spots. No matter HOW hard Levesque tried to push himself, no matter how much he tried to make himself look strong, no matter how many times he says that he's that damn good...he simply isn't. And that's why people hate him. He's just Jeff Jarrett on a bigger scale, albeit much less likeable.
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Post by ilggant on Aug 17, 2015 7:28:10 GMT -5
There's no way in hell the answer to this is anything other than CM Punk.
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Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Aug 17, 2015 7:59:54 GMT -5
Triple H was bound to get a certain degree of hate due to his status with Stephanie, there was no way around that-he's even admitted as much himself. But he was most definitely show a great deal of preferential treatment, and the Reign of Terror is the ultimate proof of it-starting with the fact that he didn't win the freaking belt in a tournament or a battle royal, he was literally handed it and proclaimed the top guy on the show. During that infamous run there were three particular wrestlers who had all been at main event status in other promotions (Booker T, RVD, Goldberg) and who fans had been itching to see regain that status in WWE-and each one ended up losing to Triple H in very one sided fashion and were promptly booted WAY down the ladder and it took them years to recover. You also had two particular wrestlers who had been hovering in WWE's upper card and flirting with the main event for some time by then (Benoit, Jericho) and who fans had wanted to see finally break that glass ceiling and get the run they felt was deserved. And in both cases when they finally went over Triple H and got the belt put on them, they STILL ended up playing second banana to him. It was Hogan in WCW all over again, and this time it was even more blatant because Trips was married into the McMahon family.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Aug 17, 2015 8:28:09 GMT -5
Booker T because it as the logical endpoint to "guy acts racist, gets put in his place" story. I'm also still infuriated about Jericho being his personal job-boy for so long.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Aug 17, 2015 10:25:19 GMT -5
Call it childish but I'm still pissed about the whole HHH/Lesnar feud.
And HHH beating Punk.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Aug 17, 2015 10:26:45 GMT -5
I've held a grudge ever since he beat Austin clean in 2001 in the Three Stages of Hell match. He won because it was suppose to lead to Mike Tyson vs. Triple H at Wrestlemania X-7. AM I f***ING GOING OVER?
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Post by mcstoklasa on Aug 17, 2015 10:33:13 GMT -5
2011 CM Punk is another choice. The summer of Punk was derailed heavily due to HHH and his ego. I was so excited when Punk became red hot over in 2011. I was thinking that this could be as big as Austin, and while that may not have been true, the fact is we won't ever know because HHH killed it.
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