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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 29, 2015 14:10:47 GMT -5
Good thing wrestlers never die.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 14:13:21 GMT -5
I would be very happy if this bullshit was done and over with. These girls are my least favorite people on the entire roster. Paige is so hatable to me I can't stand the sound of her voice or look at her. Charlotte...is a clone. A pathetic clone of daddy who has ZERO personality of her own from what I've seen so far. Lynch is forgettable after 5 minutes of watching her matches, The Bellas are trash, Naomi and Tamina are only a level above the Bellas and the other girl...I could care less about her. All this whole thing has done is made me realize how much I miss girls from past eras. Please oh merciful God...make this bullshit end! It's the worst part of Raw. Bring back bra and panties matches...that was 1000 times more fun than this torture. I have to applaud last night's crowd for shitting all over the match. Hopefully WWE notices and realizes it's not working. You know, there is this promotion called "TNA" that treats their women the exact way you love your women's wrestling, where they take a chauvinistic approach that features them as nothing but sex objects. I'd go watch that if that's what you wanna see instead of an attempt at serious women's wrestling. But, going back to my "dilapidated house with a new paint job" analogy, the main issue is the fact that the Divas division in the WWE is fundamentally broken in almost all aspects; the majority of the roster are brought in for appearance instead of talent, there's a lack of direction with anybody who works with them, the storylines are still outdated, and the audience has long been groomed to view their matches as a bathroom break. Everything needs to be updated radically, but to do so may require reinventing the wheel, and this process can take years. The fact that the WWE wanted to do this overnight has caused an opposite effect, however, where I feel that the women are starting to become the worst part of the show. And it also doesn't help that they are often crammed into 6 women tag matches or matches that must have as many women as possible instead of doing it where you have two of the women work a 10-15 minute match each week, or you have one of the better workers squash the incompetent workers like Cameron or Rosa Mendes to prove a point. Oversaturation is one of the worst things you can do with a division, because people will quickly get tired of seeing even the good or interesting workers. Finally, the women themselves need to understand that they won't get any special perks; if they are to be on the same level as the men, they also need to realize that the audience craps on men's matches, as well. If everything feels aimless, they will get bored, make random chants, and do the Wave. That's just the way things are.
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Post by idislikeeverything on Aug 29, 2015 14:18:56 GMT -5
I would be very happy if this bullshit was done and over with. These girls are my least favorite people on the entire roster. Paige is so hatable to me I can't stand the sound of her voice or look at her. Charlotte...is a clone. A pathetic clone of daddy who has ZERO personality of her own from what I've seen so far. Lynch is forgettable after 5 minutes of watching her matches, The Bellas are trash, Naomi and Tamina are only a level above the Bellas and the other girl...I could care less about her. All this whole thing has done is made me realize how much I miss girls from past eras. Please oh merciful God...make this bullshit end! It's the worst part of Raw. Bring back bra and panties matches...that was 1000 times more fun than this torture. I have to applaud last night's crowd for shitting all over the match. Hopefully WWE notices and realizes it's not working. You know, there is this promotion called "TNA" that treats their women the exact way you love your women's wrestling, where they take a chauvinistic approach that features them as nothing but sex objects. I'd go watch that if that's what you wanna see instead of an attempt at serious women's wrestling. But, going back to my "dilapidated house with a new paint job" analogy, the main issue is the fact that the Divas division in the WWE is fundamentally broken in almost all aspects; the majority of the roster are brought in for appearance instead of talent, there's a lack of direction with anybody who works with them, the storylines are still outdated, and the audience has long been groomed to view their matches as a bathroom break. Everything needs to be updated radically, but to do so may require reinventing the wheel, and this process can take years. The fact that the WWE wanted to do this overnight has caused an opposite effect, however, where I feel that the women are starting to become the worst part of the show. And it also doesn't help that they are often crammed into 6 women tag matches or matches that must have as many women as possible instead of doing it where you have two of the women work a 10-15 minute match each week, or you have one of the better workers squash the incompetent workers like Cameron or Rosa Mendes to prove a point. Oversaturation is one of the worst things you can do with a division, because people will quickly get tired of seeing even the good or interesting workers. Finally, the women themselves need to understand that they won't get any special perks; if they are to be on the same level as the men, they also need to realize that the audience craps on men's matches, as well. If everything feels aimless, they will get bored, make random chants, and do the Wave. That's just the way things are.This. If they think RAW was bad (their own fault for being so bad) then how would they like to be John Cena or Roman Reigns from the start of the year? Reigns has been assaulted with a briefcase from the crowd because they hate him that much (I don't believe the fan thought he was passing a weapon over or it wouldn't be when Reigns was down with his back to the fan). There is a sense of entitlement and expection of this being accepted because they are women and that is all. Earn it. Equality is equal, if you expect perks for having boobs then it isn't equality.
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Post by markymark on Aug 29, 2015 14:26:09 GMT -5
The Bellas are better wrestlers than the likes of Trish and Lita, .. The Bellas are better than Trish/Lita? Saving this post. I figure next time someone tries to prop up their BS opinion by playing the "it's my opinion,man, and opinions can't be wrong" card; I now have the perfect counter example. This isn't correct in any universe I said WRESTLERS, not performers. Lita/Trish knew how to play the crowd on the palm of their hands, while with the Bellas is...pushups? Brie Mode? Lita was very sloppy as a wrestler, Trish was average at best, does anyone think they (In their prime) could keep with the NXT Women?
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 29, 2015 14:33:49 GMT -5
Neither Bella is better at anything than Trish and Lita.
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Post by idislikeeverything on Aug 29, 2015 14:56:36 GMT -5
Neither Bella is better at anything than Trish and Lita. Birth control so far. Although from that Total Divas segment, they got Lita's old vibrator from Cryme Tyme.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 29, 2015 16:32:02 GMT -5
Lita was very sloppy as a wrestler, Trish was average at best, does anyone think they (In their prime) could keep with the NXT Women? Lita was mostly set in her ways due to her Mexico days. Trish on the other hand...if she had been surrounded by the level of talent that's around now? Yeah, I think she could have eventually. Given how quickly and eagerly she did learn what she could during a fairly dark time, I have no doubt she would have pushed even further had she had even more talented women around her. Would she have been super top level? Eh. She'd at least be upping her game and learning enough to pass by the Bellas and the general Diva crew.
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Post by Woo on Aug 29, 2015 18:47:34 GMT -5
The Bellas haven't had any matches that come close to Trish vs Mickie James from Wrestlemania or Trish vs Lita from Trish's farewell match. I also like Trish vs Victoria from SSeries 02 and Lita vs Molly Holly (SSeries 03?) more than any match the Bellas have ever done.
But who cares about Trish and Lita. Had they been around in NXT they, Trish especially, might have gone on to be incredible wrestlers. But they weren't and they didn't (and I say this as a massive Trish fan). We should stop comparing females in the WWE to previous females in the WWE and start comparing them to the girls from Japan or Shimmer. That's what we should be aiming for.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Aug 29, 2015 19:00:28 GMT -5
I would be very happy if this bullshit was done and over with. These girls are my least favorite people on the entire roster. Paige is so hatable to me I can't stand the sound of her voice or look at her. Charlotte...is a clone. A pathetic clone of daddy who has ZERO personality of her own from what I've seen so far. Lynch is forgettable after 5 minutes of watching her matches, The Bellas are trash, Naomi and Tamina are only a level above the Bellas and the other girl...I could care less about her. All this whole thing has done is made me realize how much I miss girls from past eras. Please oh merciful God...make this bullshit end! It's the worst part of Raw. Bring back bra and panties matches...that was 1000 times more fun than this torture. I have to applaud last night's crowd for shitting all over the match. Hopefully WWE notices and realizes it's not working. You know, there is this promotion called "TNA" that treats their women the exact way you love your women's wrestling, where they take a chauvinistic approach that features them as nothing but sex objects. I'd go watch that if that's what you wanna see instead of an attempt at serious women's wrestling. But, going back to my "dilapidated house with a new paint job" analogy, the main issue is the fact that the Divas division in the WWE is fundamentally broken in almost all aspects; the majority of the roster are brought in for appearance instead of talent, there's a lack of direction with anybody who works with them, the storylines are still outdated, and the audience has long been groomed to view their matches as a bathroom break. Everything needs to be updated radically, but to do so may require reinventing the wheel, and this process can take years. The fact that the WWE wanted to do this overnight has caused an opposite effect, however, where I feel that the women are starting to become the worst part of the show. And it also doesn't help that they are often crammed into 6 women tag matches or matches that must have as many women as possible instead of doing it where you have two of the women work a 10-15 minute match each week, or you have one of the better workers squash the incompetent workers like Cameron or Rosa Mendes to prove a point. Oversaturation is one of the worst things you can do with a division, because people will quickly get tired of seeing even the good or interesting workers. Finally, the women themselves need to understand that they won't get any special perks; if they are to be on the same level as the men, they also need to realize that the audience craps on men's matches, as well. If everything feels aimless, they will get bored, make random chants, and do the Wave. That's just the way things are. An idea I had before any call ups happened, was to shut the divas division down entirely. Start hyping up the new division. Show a couple months of vignettes about the NXT girls, and the direction the new division will take. That way it's not giving the dilapidated house a new paint job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 22:12:12 GMT -5
This week in the Divas revolution!
- The women continue to be in teams despite directly competing with each other. - Three matches only one of which exceeds two minutes. - The most popular of the new Divas being dead to rights within 75 seconds and having to be bailed out by Naomi and Tamina. Except they didn't have to bail her out because she had absolutely nothing to gain from winning or lose from losing. - The faces care so little about the title that after one of them got the shot the other two hugged her. - Lana's an idiot and Summer may or may not be screwing Ziggler.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 22:13:28 GMT -5
Neither Bella is better at anything than Trish and Lita. Eh, Nikki's probably a better talker than Lita.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Aug 31, 2015 22:15:03 GMT -5
Sasha Banks - not only on par with Brie and Alicia Fox in terms of standard of opponent, but Paige had her beaten in a minute.
#REVOLUTION
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 22:16:39 GMT -5
I think it died tonight.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 31, 2015 22:17:20 GMT -5
Oddly enough, PCB are doing the exact thing I've seen get suggested for The New Day... One of them goes for the big singles title, but it doesn't stop them from being friends.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Aug 31, 2015 22:17:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 22:18:35 GMT -5
JUST TURN SASHA FACE!
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 31, 2015 22:29:41 GMT -5
I'm not any sort of fan of the main roster divas, but Paige/Sasha going about 1:40 was a bit depressing. I thought Banks would have problems on the main roster though. The gimmick reeks of "annoying black chick stereotype #10384" and she's not going to get the same amount of ring time to get over. I almost think putting her with Naomi and Tamina was a preemptive burial.
This is semi related but what was with the whole Ziggler/Summer Rae nonsense tonight? I mean...why exactly is Lana angry at Dolph? It would be like if Stan Hansen's wife was angry at him because Missy Hyatt barged into the locker room back on a 1991 era WCW PPV. If your worst enemy's girlfriend wandered in to spy on you in the shower, how is that your fault?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 31, 2015 22:31:17 GMT -5
This is one of those things where every week people will call it dead, done, over, finish or something along those lines for weeks upon weeks, months upon months and years upon years until one of them is either fired or retires and then you to have been right all along isn't it?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 31, 2015 22:34:48 GMT -5
This is one of those things where every week people will call it dead, done, over, finish or something along those lines for weeks upon weeks, months upon months and years upon years until one of them is either fired or retires and then you to have been right all along isn't it? Basically, living dead girls.
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Post by MGH on Aug 31, 2015 22:35:56 GMT -5
I just read a recap of Raw.
Hoo boy.
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