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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 22:42:08 GMT -5
I just really don't see at all how this Diva's Revolution thing can possibly be salvaged by this point, short of just dropping the division entirely for a few months then acting like everything about it's entirely new. At this point the new girls have been given no establishment, character, or purpose, and every single woman in the division is a vacant, doe-eyed moron more concerned about their two-month-long friendships than on actually trying to accomplish anything. It's a whole division of Emmas right now with nothing at all established about any of them and I don't really see how you can change that when you have an entire roster full of people with that problem. Hell, they couldn't really even fix it when it was just Emma in that position.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 31, 2015 22:43:31 GMT -5
I thought Banks would have problems on the main roster though. The gimmick reeks of "annoying black chick stereotype #10384" and she's not going to get the same amount of ring time to get over. That's the odd thing about Banks... On paper, her gimmick is barely that different to Naomi's or even Cameron's. But it was the story behind the gimmick that really ended up making it work for her. "The Boss" is what she felt like she had to become to be the best, and it paid off in spades in NXT with her winning the belt and wrestling a handful of legit MOTY contenders. The main roster is showing the end of that story as the beginning of the next one, and it's throwing off people who have been following the whole thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 22:47:01 GMT -5
This is one of those things where every week people will call it dead, done, over, finish or something along those lines for weeks upon weeks, months upon months and years upon years until one of them is either fired or retires and then you to have been right all along isn't it? Basically, living dead girls. Yeah! More Rob Zombie references please.
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Post by Krazee on Aug 31, 2015 22:47:56 GMT -5
after the bullshit that happened tonight
the so called "Divas Revolution" is officially dead
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Post by deancubed on Aug 31, 2015 23:26:54 GMT -5
This is why Banks is not 'wrestler of the year' (lol). Many people have made this point already. Having great matches by practicing against the same 6 people over and over for 2 years in a training camp, versus having great matches with anyone who walks in the door regardless of their opponent's experience level.
It takes a few years of experience to even be a 'good' wrestler, let alone Best In The World.
John Cena can go against anyone from Zack Ryder to HHH and if he's on his A-game it could be match of the night. Or of the month. And to suggest that Banks or any NXT callup with less than 5 years of experience could be the best wrestler in the world right now is a joke.
I can play PingPong against my sister and get really good at rallying with her but that doesn't make me world champion.
The main problem is the main roster Divas only really ever got good at wrestling AJ Lee, because the only Diva story that got featured for years was 'who is AJ feuding with right now?'
Now they not only have to get used to wrestling each other again, and spend their off time filming Total Divas, plus trying to have some sort of life and family outside of WWE, they have people they literally just met having classics with each other in NXT and the expectation is that these newbies are somehow able to carry any girl to a 5 star classic. Theres no time for chemistry and you cant rehearse these 9-diva clusters of crap its just a race to the end of each match and hope the crowd gives you at least some respect.
That's so much to live up to and if they make the slightest botch the whole arena does the wave and shits on their whole effort, and then goes online and basically petitions them to be fired and they get blamed for ruining womens wrestling. Now go do that every week trying to improve to impress a crowd that has already decided ahead of time that they dont like you, and theres only 2 or 3 people out of a dozen that they will tolerate. Ask Roman Reigns how well that works out. Ask John Cena how many years does it REALLY take to get the crowd back. And these girls are expected to suddenly turn everything around in 3 weeks because the crowd was promised a REVOLUTION.
A crowd, might I add, full of disrespectful jackasses that have a 'us vs them' mentality of the whole WWE and need to be constantly coddled and placated or else they revolt and highjack the show with JBL chants and will boo Roman Reigns, the Bellas, or Sheamus just for existing no matter what they do. A crowd that still remembers getting teased with a Divas Revolution every 3 years - Kharma... Natalya... Beth Phoenix... AJ... And Paige was just the most recent of these women who dared to be the representative of change, just to be held back by bad booking and a lack of care or direction for the divas division. Now the crowd has even stopped caring about Paige because Sasha Banks and Charlotte are now The Change. And in six months itll be Bayley or (lol) Eva Marie who has to carry all this pressure of needing to 'save' the whole concept of women's wrestling.
The whole situation sucks and it will continue to suck until they stumble on a storyline that snaps the crowd out of their 'we are awesome' chants and makes them pay attention. Something that only really happens a few times in a decade with women's wrestling. I hope it happens soon for the sake of the women currently deserving of a lot more respect than they are getting. And especially for those 'lucky' few who the crowd hasn't turned on yet, who will be Dolph Ziggler'ed or Zack Ryder'ed or Emma'ed or even Natalya'ed right off the show if they don't deliver.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Sept 1, 2015 7:17:44 GMT -5
I'm absolutely sure Cena could get matches of the year in under 1:41 seconds and in 9 man clusterf**ks....
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I get the point, but ragging on people's excitement for a female wrestler, especially one we know can do a much better job if given time, isn't helping.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 1, 2015 7:32:28 GMT -5
It can be salvaged if they scrap the stupid "Gang Warfare" part of it, and stop pretending that Deranged, Spoiled Ms. MRAAAAAAAAH HAAAAAAAAAAARSE! is a face.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 1, 2015 7:34:06 GMT -5
Not sure why people are surprised, Stephanie has been the third most powerful person in the WWE for over a decade and hasn't used her position to benefit female talent once in that time, denigrate yes, but not benefit. This revolution was all about getting her some good PR and now the puff pieces are forgotten, the female roster is back to treading water, but now there's more of them competing for the same limited screen time. #ThankyouSteph
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 1, 2015 7:36:51 GMT -5
Here's what I'm confused about: Sasha apparently took a nasty head bump at the end of her match against Bayley last week, and thus they've tried to limit her ring time since then...so why not bring that up when the crowd keeps demanding her, rather than just having her get in the ring for 1-2 minutes at a time?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 1, 2015 7:46:48 GMT -5
This is why Banks is not 'wrestler of the year' (lol). Many people have made this point already. Having great matches by practicing against the same 6 people over and over for 2 years in a training camp, versus having great matches with anyone who walks in the door regardless of their opponent's experience level. It takes a few years of experience to even be a 'good' wrestler, let alone Best In The World. John Cena can go against anyone from Zack Ryder to HHH and if he's on his A-game it could be match of the night. Or of the month. And to suggest that Banks or any NXT callup with less than 5 years of experience could be the best wrestler in the world right now is a joke. She just had a match that lasted less than 2 minutes, and at SummerSlam she was in the ring for less than a minute. She hasn't been getting much time in the ring. You brought up Cena, but he gets time for all his matches. He can flesh his matches out, tell a story, and get the crowd involved. You can't do much when you're in the ring for 2 minutes, unless you're Goldberg.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Sept 1, 2015 7:52:06 GMT -5
Also the New Japan main eventers pretty much wrestle the same 6 or 8 guys outside of house shows, and are at the top of people's wrestlers of the year list consistently.
So that point was disengenuous as well.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 1, 2015 9:54:33 GMT -5
This is why Banks is not 'wrestler of the year' (lol). Many people have made this point already. Having great matches by practicing against the same 6 people over and over for 2 years in a training camp, versus having great matches with anyone who walks in the door regardless of their opponent's experience level. It takes a few years of experience to even be a 'good' wrestler, let alone Best In The World. John Cena can go against anyone from Zack Ryder to HHH and if he's on his A-game it could be match of the night. Or of the month. And to suggest that Banks or any NXT callup with less than 5 years of experience could be the best wrestler in the world right now is a joke. She just had a match that lasted less than 2 minutes, and at SummerSlam she was in the ring for less than a minute. She hasn't been getting much time in the ring. You brought up Cena, but he gets time for all his matches. He can flesh his matches out, tell a story, and get the crowd involved. You can't do much when you're in the ring for 2 minutes, unless you're Goldberg. I was just about to say that. Two minutes is not enough time to tell a story (unless that story is specifically about how quickly you can beat someone, like Goldberg or the Benoit/Jordan angle). Hell, it's not even enough time to get all of your signature spots in.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Sept 1, 2015 10:03:29 GMT -5
I didn't mind this week. I found it was a soft reset of the women's storyline and the focus was on getting a shot at the title, which I liked.
Would have liked longer matches but I don't think it was horrible either.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Sept 1, 2015 10:19:41 GMT -5
This is one of those things where every week people will call it dead, done, over, finish or something along those lines for weeks upon weeks, months upon months and years upon years until one of them is either fired or retires and then you to have been right all along isn't it? Basically, living dead girls. We can pickle that too.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 1, 2015 11:00:02 GMT -5
They would have been better off having Nikki claim that no one could beat her and that she'd be champion forever.
Sasha debuts and kicks the shit out of her, winning the title to probably a good reaction from the crowd.
From that point on, you can introduce the NXT girls one at a time.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 1, 2015 11:04:38 GMT -5
Also the New Japan main eventers pretty much wrestle the same 6 or 8 guys outside of house shows, and are at the top of people's wrestlers of the year list consistently. So that point was disengenuous as well. Eh, that's not entirely fair; many of them also travel the world wrestling other talent, along with working with other people within NJPW when they're not being pushed for a title shot. The point isn't necessarily that Sasha has a limited amount of rivals to choose from, it's that the NXT women all trained and rehearsed their matches so thoroughly that they could probably do them in their sleep; that's a skill you like to see translate to "can work a decent match against any opponent" after a bit more experience is gained. Clearly, she and the other women have tons of talent, but it's early to know whether they're capable of moving outside their comfort zones, yet.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Sept 1, 2015 11:22:43 GMT -5
Sasha has had 15+ minutes against Nikki and then against Paige and won both. Both matches were alright, but below her NXT quality. As for the very very short showings the last couple weeks. She caught her head on the mat on the reverse rana against Bayley. No doubt they're keeping her out of the ring as much as possible for a couple weeks to recover.
And to the posts about how this is just another generation of change that won't work. I largely agree. And it will keep happening until Vince dies or retires.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 1, 2015 11:41:00 GMT -5
Maybe it's not that they've been training and learning how to have matches with each other for so long that they have amazing chemistry, so much as they actually have been trained. Look at the pre-NXT divas division, where everyone was in the exact same boat for years and only having matches with each other as well. They're by and large garbage. Not every good wrestler can carry a crap one, and right now you have this group of women who are so far ahead of the people they're wrestling that their match quality is suffering for it, and pinning it on them and claiming they were just overhyped is completely ignoring the skill gap between them. Paige's match quality went down when she moved up to the main roster, and since NXT wasn't as big a deal then a lot of people took it as just Paige being the new quirky smark favorite people liked jerking it over, but now that we have three of the four horsewomen up there, it is utterly apparent that the problem isn't them. The Sasha/Charlotte/Brie match that kicked this whole thing off exposed Brie as being utterly unable to keep up with the other two and it's only gotten worse since then.
The entire office knows at this point that they're the Bellas look like crap in all of this, which is why we're seeing everything winding down now and nothing story-wise actually going where it ought to go. Nothing is going to change and that's going to be pinned on the talented people who don't deserve to be branded as failures for the weaknesses of others, as the Lana/Summer segments prove that nothing is going to change at goddamn all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 11:42:14 GMT -5
They would have been better off having Nikki claim that no one could beat her and that she'd be champion forever. Sasha debuts and kicks the shit out of her, winning the title to probably a good reaction from the crowd. From that point on, you can introduce the NXT girls one at a time. Well, that's what they did with Paige and it didn't work. Largely because they just made her a nervous in-over-her-head rookie getting stomped by everyone she faced and stripped out everything about her that was unique or interesting, but no reason to believe the same wouldn't happen to Sasha.
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Post by basicdugganomix on Sept 1, 2015 12:49:20 GMT -5
Sasha and Becky have adopted to the style. While charlotte and paige still look like greenhorns.
I think Sasha as the main diva legit boss as a face because she represents that strong, smart, sexy thing they try to push on divas.
But they are going full force with charlotte and paige being the top divas.
Team Bad should really be the faces since they seem united. Pcb the tweeners since paige is a remarkable bitch. And team bella play good heels.
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