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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Aug 29, 2015 12:38:07 GMT -5
GamerGate is about Games Journalism: the problem...
A)What games journalism needs: Actual critics.
B)What gamers appear to want: Someone who gives their favourite game series 10 out of 10.
C)What games journalism actually is: A device to sell games to people.
You're never going to get A for as long as people go crazy when you give Call of Duty 12 a roasting for being lazy and derivative... or give games they don't like a good review. You're not going to get B because gamers are too fickle and you'll get a backlash when a game series falls out of favour. That leaves C, which at least pleases the publisher.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 29, 2015 12:46:31 GMT -5
I think it'll get there eventually. Video games are still very much in a process of maturation and likely will be for years, if not decades, to come. But the problem is that gamers, the gaming press, and the industry as a whole are divided between if they want video games to be treated like an art form or strictly a consumer product.
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Aug 29, 2015 12:50:19 GMT -5
Ever since GTA V didn't get a 10/10 on Gamestop, I've been a furious crusader against the SJW army.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Aug 29, 2015 13:56:00 GMT -5
It is weird in that there has always been this belief by gamers that video games should be accepted as an artform, like I remember Roger Ebert attracting a bunch of angry comments when he said 'video games can never be art', but some of them absolutely lose their minds when someone criticises video games from that standpoint. It's as if they've been conditioned for so long to think that games should be reviewed and rated only from a technical standpoint, as in on the basis of graphics and gameplay mechanics, but people don't approach movies solely in that way otherwise every single blockbuster release would get unanimous critical approval. It's the same with music, like most pop singers are technically capable singers and the records are very well-produced, but obviously open to criticism based on their artistic value.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 14:15:42 GMT -5
The only thing I want to discuss is society needs to stop f***ing putting "_Gate" on every scandalous thing that ever happens. I'm so happy a lot of people agree with my sentiments. As everybody should know, Watergate had nothing to do with water. Watergate was the hotel. Though, today, given the demand for people to must cutely name any controversy with "_Gate", it might as well be Watergategate.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 29, 2015 14:58:16 GMT -5
It's been corny and silly for over a year then.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 29, 2015 16:13:00 GMT -5
This thread is still going? Sigh.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 29, 2015 16:15:41 GMT -5
This thread is still going? Sigh. Yes and everyone,for most part is being friendly,so yay?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 29, 2015 16:24:09 GMT -5
This thread is still going? Sigh. Yes and everyone,for most part is being friendly,so yay? No, boo. The fact that the people who've been harassed and hurt by members of GamerGate aren't at the forefront of the discussion and video games, which aren't that important in the long run are, bothers me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 16:30:29 GMT -5
Yes and everyone,for most part is being friendly,so yay? No, boo. The fact that the people who've been harassed and hurt by members of GamerGate aren't at the forefront of the discussion and video games, which aren't that important in the long run are, bothers me. What about the people who been getting dox, death threats and bomb threats because they supports gamergate or that not important either? There always more then one sides to everything.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 29, 2015 16:34:43 GMT -5
No, boo. The fact that the people who've been harassed and hurt by members of GamerGate aren't at the forefront of the discussion and video games, which aren't that important in the long run are, bothers me. What about the people who been getting dox, death threats and bomb threats because they supports gamergate or that not important either? There always more then one sides to everything. True, but the anti - diversity sentiments expressed by GamerGate supporters are the more harmful and destructive to society between the two "sides". So I can't look at this from a balanced perspective, because too many people in the movement want the industry to move backwards.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 29, 2015 16:36:29 GMT -5
What about the people who been getting dox, death threats and bomb threats because they supports gamergate or that not important either? There always more then one sides to everything. True, but the anti - diversity sentiments expressed by GamerGate supporters are the more harmful and destructive to society between the two "sides". So I can't look at this from a balanced perspective, because too many people in the movement want the industry to move backwards. Assuming the anti-diversity is true. Hey,we had a bisexual woman in this thread in support of gamergate,so i`m sure she could speak much better about this argument than me since from what i observe it is something it comes often to minorities in GG.This is the exact reason this threas went so long,because the supporters in this forum are NOT against diversity and believe GG is also not
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Post by knightrider01 on Aug 29, 2015 16:37:48 GMT -5
Until you have a different opinion than them or bring up things happening to women outside the USA, then it stops being all inclusive, more HIVE mind. But hey, who says that isn't some form of inclusivity. And this is exactly the kind of post that turned me against Gamergate. Okay.
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Post by knightrider01 on Aug 29, 2015 16:40:43 GMT -5
Yes and everyone,for most part is being friendly,so yay? No, boo. The fact that the people who've been harassed and hurt by members of GamerGate aren't at the forefront of the discussion and video games, which aren't that important in the long run are, bothers me. Again facts of the situation don't really support that. Also why about the people hurt and harassed but the antiGG people. But wait, they don't exist right. Because I never see them being brought up. But wait, "what happened to them doesn't excuse what happened to Zoey." You know what, you're right. But wait, what happened to Zoey doesn't excuse what happened to them.
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Post by knightrider01 on Aug 29, 2015 16:43:05 GMT -5
What about the people who been getting dox, death threats and bomb threats because they supports gamergate or that not important either? There always more then one sides to everything. True, but the anti - diversity sentiments expressed by GamerGate supporters are the more harmful and destructive to society between the two "sides". So I can't look at this from a balanced perspective, because too many people in the movement want the industry to move backwards. Where the hell has this ever been said. Nobody wants the industry to move backwards. There are plenty of women in the industry that people like. It isn't about making it move backwards but just getting rid of the BS that comes along with it. And yes I know that EA and Ubisoft and Activision are really evil. But what they also have is a little thing called "PR" departments. They would never be this stupid to let this whole thing go on this long.
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Post by ZERO on Aug 29, 2015 16:43:39 GMT -5
I'd also like to point out that the 'so and so are only succesful because they are sleeping with someone' criticism is almost universally only ever thrown at women! And HHH. To be fair, he did have really girly hair at times before he shaved it all off. Honestly, every time I try and understand GamerGate, I can't see any more than just a bunch of unpleasantness masquerading as being about "ethics" - it may have been that once, or there may be people who genuinely are fighting that fight, but I can't get past the nasty stuff. I tried seeing if reading this thread helped. Sadly it didn't. Maybe it is one of those things you needed to see starting to be able to comprehend it.
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 29, 2015 16:45:17 GMT -5
My enjoyment of this really ends with laughing at or being made uncomfortable by the more zealous people on either side. The issue/cause is so nebulous and pointless, but goddamn Brianna and Milo are some ridiculous people. "Ah hates SJWS!/GAMERGA8RS SPILLED COFFEE ON MY LAPTOP SHITLORDS!"
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Post by knightrider01 on Aug 29, 2015 16:45:55 GMT -5
Again facts of the situation don't really support that. Also why about the people hurt and harassed but the antiGG people. But wait, they don't exist right. Because I never see them being brought up. But wait, "what happened to them doesn't excuse what happened to Zoey." You know what, you're right. But wait, what happened to Zoey doesn't excuse what happened to them. I know it is a heated topic,but try to be civil too.Try to avoid mocking,nobody wins when that happens But if you are going to come in here and say you care about the victims of this mess then I think you should care about all the victims and admit that a lot of people in, or on, or who use the hashtag have gotten far worse treatment then any one else. But you're right I'm sorry for being snarky. It just makes me angry sometime.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 29, 2015 16:54:27 GMT -5
And that culture war against the boogeymen of "SJW's" and feminists is as much a part of Gamergate's identity as wanting games journalism to not be a complete joke. As much as I like and would support the latter, there's no way in hell I could support any movement that includes the former. This isn't from any propaganda spread by the big bad evil media but from firsthand experience with members of the movement on social media. And I'm not saying any people are doing this here, but it amazes me how these people continue to perpetuate the misconception, if not outright lie, that third wave feminism is some radical, ultra-militant movement ruining "good" feminism when it's the most inclusive philosophy of mainstream feminism yet, specifically introduced to be more concerned with issues of non-white women, queer women, and trans women. This is my biggest issue with the whole thing. There's a lot of stupid stuff and awful things being committed on every side and GG supporters have been victimized during this whole situation, I'm firmly against that. But the movement as a whole has too many people who have that mindset for me to defend it. Ideally I would love to simply say "a pox on both your houses" and be done with it because it really is a giant mess, but I'm a feminist, so it's hard for me to ignore some of the seriously warped attitudes coming from a specific house.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 29, 2015 16:58:16 GMT -5
Let me just say that no one deserves to be doxxed or receive death/rape threats for being for or against Gamergate unless they cross a line into being criminals that would seek physical harm against people.
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