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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 30, 2015 19:24:31 GMT -5
This thread makes me so happy this place has the politics/religion rule. It's nice to have a little slice of the internet without it. I know it takes a lot of work from the mods and probably some posters, but thank you so much.
Yeah, I agree. Way other threads have gone, it's for the best this place doesn't do politics because there's too much hostility over various issues. Whenever the time comes that popele calm way the heck down about certain things there can be better discussions.
At least this thread has gone WAY better than even I thought it would, any thread where no one insults/flames each other is a successful thread in my book.
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Aug 30, 2015 19:28:29 GMT -5
I tried to play some Hatred the other day and a skeleton walked in and CENSORED me. Gaming is dead. Actually it's about ethics in hyper-realistic blood. Very true. I was playing some 2K15 and then I noticed that the blood needs to be switched on in the options. The skeletons have gone too far.
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Post by knightrider01 on Aug 30, 2015 19:47:53 GMT -5
Actually it's about ethics in hyper-realistic blood. Very true. I was playing some 2K15 and then I noticed that the blood needs to be switched on in the options. The skeletons have gone too far. I was told that WWE was PG. This blood is disgusting. Also I miss Punk.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 20:25:37 GMT -5
I have seen that happen from both sides. Someone claims to want to not get involved,be neutral,suddenly there is antis flocking calling then all kinds of stuff.It is the sad truth of the internet and human nature that hopefully one day will be gone
This is sadly true. Look up what happened to Total Bisuit, Brad Wardell, and WoW staffer Mark Kern. In Kern's case he was neutral but because he said that maybe not everyone in GG condone or support rape or death threats, he was unfairly attacked repeatedly because him not calling them out was seen as "condoning" the threats.
Star, there are plenty of those within GG that I saw who aren't in favor of harassment. Yet, when they try to ask certain people who was harassing and daring to disagree with them they get tarred and feathered.
...wow. I'm not going to waste my time in this trainwreck of a thread any longer. Bye.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 30, 2015 20:36:26 GMT -5
This is sadly true. Look up what happened to Total Bisuit, Brad Wardell, and WoW staffer Mark Kern. In Kern's case he was neutral but because he said that maybe not everyone in GG condone or support rape or death threats, he was unfairly attacked repeatedly because him not calling them out was seen as "condoning" the threats.
Star, there are plenty of those within GG that I saw who aren't in favor of harassment. Yet, when they try to ask certain people who was harassing and daring to disagree with them they get tarred and feathered.
...wow. I'm not going to waste my time in this trainwreck of a thread any longer. Bye.
Not sure how its a trainwreck when everyone's being civil, and I said plenty of people in Gamer Gate don't agree with harassment so I'm not sure what the problem is?
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Post by knightrider01 on Aug 30, 2015 20:43:06 GMT -5
This is sadly true. Look up what happened to Total Bisuit, Brad Wardell, and WoW staffer Mark Kern. In Kern's case he was neutral but because he said that maybe not everyone in GG condone or support rape or death threats, he was unfairly attacked repeatedly because him not calling them out was seen as "condoning" the threats.
Star, there are plenty of those within GG that I saw who aren't in favor of harassment. Yet, when they try to ask certain people who was harassing and daring to disagree with them they get tarred and feathered.
...wow. I'm not going to waste my time in this trainwreck of a thread any longer. Bye. Look I am sorry for any sort of harassment you received or pain that was caused. I assume that this is happening on twitter and from that I can only tell you to report it to the twitter staff and get those people suspended. If any threats are made toward you or your family then please contact the proper authorities and just keep safe. But if wizard or I tell you that we haven't seen such behavior, then again I'm sorry there is only so much we can do to stop any type of harassment or abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 20:52:59 GMT -5
...wow. I'm not going to waste my time in this trainwreck of a thread any longer. Bye.
Not sure how its a trainwreck when everyone's being civil, and I said plenty of people in Gamer Gate don't agree with harassment so I'm not sure what the problem is?
your argument is basically the same as "Not All Men", which was an argument made by MRA's after the Elliot Rodger incident. It won't work on me, or, really, any feminist.
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Post by knightrider01 on Aug 30, 2015 21:01:39 GMT -5
Not sure how its a trainwreck when everyone's being civil, and I said plenty of people in Gamer Gate don't agree with harassment so I'm not sure what the problem is?
your argument is basically the same as "Not All Men", which was an argument made by MRA's after the Elliot Rodger incident. It won't work on me, or, really, any feminist. Okay then. Um...sorry. Edit: You know what I'm not sorry. In fact let me say this, I have been coming to this board for over 10 years. Been here since the CRAP hit the FAN, so I am now going to put everything on the line. If you mods want to ban me or something go ahead, because now I am pissed. Elliot Rogers was a narcissistic, psychotic, asshole. In the killing spree that he went on he murdered in total 6. Three of whom were men who he stabbed to death. This is of course something that people missed out on because people like decided to erase them from the story in order to better fit Rodgers into what you needed to be. Never mind the fact that Rodgers also hated men and killed those three in a more personal or brutal matter. Never mind the fact that the community where this happened never got to heal because half the story was missed. Never mind that people who had to live through have had people like you trying to tell them what it was about. So let me say this with absolute clarity. The fact that you would come into this discussion and try and use those people's deaths for some kind of political point is ******* disgusting and terrible and I would tell you to be ashamed of yourself you jerk, but there is no point in that. With that mods do with me what you will.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 30, 2015 21:09:06 GMT -5
Not sure how its a trainwreck when everyone's being civil, and I said plenty of people in Gamer Gate don't agree with harassment so I'm not sure what the problem is?
your argument is basically the same as "Not All Men", which was an argument made by MRA's after the Elliot Rodger incident. It won't work on me, or, really, any feminist.
The actions of some dumb trolls, third-party or otherwise do not justify lumping in everyone whose only crime is posting in a hashtag. You're using guilt by association which is a fallacy. Whomever had trolled you on Twitter if it's as bad you say should be dealt with, and probably would have been already if not for how crappy Twitter really is in handling this sort of thing. It's still not fair or right for you to blame everyone in one group. That's really the same as bigotry.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 30, 2015 21:17:13 GMT -5
To keep discussion going, here's WatchMojo's Top Ten Female Protagonists in Video Games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 21:20:10 GMT -5
your argument is basically the same as "Not All Men", which was an argument made by MRA's after the Elliot Rodger incident. It won't work on me, or, really, any feminist.
The actions of some dumb trolls, third-party or otherwise do not justify lumping in everyone whose only crime is posting in a hashtag. You're using guilt by association which is a fallacy. Whomever had trolled you on Twitter if it's as bad you say should be dealt with, and probably would have been already if not for how crappy Twitter really is in handling this sort of thing. It's still not fair or right for you to blame everyone in one group. That's really the same as bigotry.
You're thinking of generalizing. Bigotry is something different.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 30, 2015 21:23:04 GMT -5
WatchMojo actually had a pretty good list there. Loved seeing Clementine getting some love.
The actions of some dumb trolls, third-party or otherwise do not justify lumping in everyone whose only crime is posting in a hashtag. You're using guilt by association which is a fallacy. Whomever had trolled you on Twitter if it's as bad you say should be dealt with, and probably would have been already if not for how crappy Twitter really is in handling this sort of thing. It's still not fair or right for you to blame everyone in one group. That's really the same as bigotry.
You're thinking of generalizing. Bigotry is something different.
Semantics aside, it's still wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 21:28:43 GMT -5
WatchMojo actually had a pretty good list there. Loved seeing Clementine getting some love. You're thinking of generalizing. Bigotry is something different.
Semantics aside, it's still wrong.
Don't put semantics aside, it is important. Words have meaning. How we use them matters, otherwise we could make up any definition we want and no one would understand what anyone is saying! haha. But generalizing isn't inherently wrong. There are many good things about generalizing, but it can go wrong very easily. More specific to this, I didn't see anyone post what you're implying. I didn't see anyone say, "Some people who used the hashtag are harassers, so ALL people who use the hashtag are harassers." I think you're inferring it based on the fact that you guys seem to be talking about different things.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Aug 30, 2015 21:34:24 GMT -5
WatchMojo actually had a pretty good list there. Loved seeing Clementine getting some love.
Semantics aside, it's still wrong.
Don't put semantics aside, it is important. Words have meaning. How we use them matters, otherwise we could make up any definition we want and no one would understand what anyone is saying! haha. But generalizing isn't inherently wrong. There are many good things about generalizing, but it can go wrong very easily. More specific to this, I didn't see anyone post what you're implying. I didn't see anyone say, "Some people who used the hashtag are harassers, so ALL people who use the hashtag are harassers." I think you're inferring it based on the fact that you guys seem to be talking about different things.
No you're right other people haven't, but Star was equating what she experienced on Twitter with Gamer Gate as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 21:38:16 GMT -5
Don't put semantics aside, it is important. Words have meaning. How we use them matters, otherwise we could make up any definition we want and no one would understand what anyone is saying! haha. But generalizing isn't inherently wrong. There are many good things about generalizing, but it can go wrong very easily. More specific to this, I didn't see anyone post what you're implying. I didn't see anyone say, "Some people who used the hashtag are harassers, so ALL people who use the hashtag are harassers." I think you're inferring it based on the fact that you guys seem to be talking about different things.
No you're right other people haven't, but Star was equating what she experienced on Twitter with Gamer Gate as a whole.
That's not how I read it. Star seemed to be saying that some people in GG were harassing. Your response was "some were, but that's not the entire group." Which are two unrelated things. That'd be like me saying, "I was stung by a jelly fish when I went in the Ocean. Jelly fish sting people." And you said, "Not all jelly fish sting people. Some just swim around and mind their own business." Both are true statements, but are discussing different topics of jellyfish.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 30, 2015 21:54:30 GMT -5
No you're right other people haven't, but Star was equating what she experienced on Twitter with Gamer Gate as a whole.
That's not how I read it. Star seemed to be saying that some people in GG were harassing. Your response was "some were, but that's not the entire group." Which are two unrelated things. That'd be like me saying, "I was stung by a jelly fish when I went in the Ocean. Jelly fish sting people." And you said, "Not all jelly fish sting people. Some just swim around and mine their own business." Both are true statements, but are discussing different aspects of jellyfish. Yeah, that's how I read it too. I didn't read it as Star saying everyone involved with the movement was a bad person, just that people who are claiming that GG has had no harassment and there's totally proof of it are wrong, because she personally experienced it. When the response is to brush it aside and and say, basically, "Yeah? Well, these people were harassed too" just comes off as saying that proving the group's innocence is more important than addressing a real problem. Comparing someone's dislike of a group that they have faced personal harassment from to bigotry is... well, another thing entirely.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 30, 2015 22:04:12 GMT -5
For now this is done. You've each had chances to tell your side of the story and ignore the other or take little digs at the other side and no more for now.
Actually, this is done for good. We played nice, thought y'all could do the same and some of you proved us wrong. Thanks.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Aug 30, 2015 22:05:52 GMT -5
And with that, we bid farewell to this thread. I don't want it moved to deleted, but we're going in circles now and a couple folks here just went too far. I'd like to thank those who didn't though. Gives me hope about future topics.
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