pegasuswarrior
El Dandy
Three Time FAN Idol Champion
@PulpPictionary
Posts: 8,748
|
Post by pegasuswarrior on Sept 5, 2015 11:32:36 GMT -5
#DivaRevolution
"A diva by any other name..."
|
|
|
Post by Mutant Couch on Sept 5, 2015 11:34:07 GMT -5
Fandango - now, don't get me wrong, the guy was never going to be a main eventer, or even a serious mid-carder likely, but when his schtick starting breaking into the mainstream, they literally did nothing with it and actively killed it off. There was *some* sort of money to be made with that whole thing and they just didn't care. This. It was ridiculous. You have people outside of WWE events Fandangoing and his theme song rising in the charts so you do nothing. It's weird. Even weirder when they made a half-hearted attempt at bringing it back by finally turning him face long after people stopped caring.
|
|
|
Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 5, 2015 11:36:15 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose going from a red hot feud with Seth Rollins to losing pointless matches against Bray Wyatt and being directionless. Kevin Owens going from potential major deal to just another guy. Ryback in 2013. I'm okay with him losing to Punk but he should have won the Rumble and defeated Big Show for the World Title at WrestleMania 29.
|
|
|
Post by wallabylikeyou on Sept 5, 2015 11:41:42 GMT -5
The thing that fascinates me is that a whole bunch of these (mostly Barrett, Punk, Ryback, Wyatt, Rusev, Owens) are likely based around "Should have beaten Cena in this match, but didn't". And it kind of gets me thinking of what would have happened if they all DID beat him (or in Punk and Owens's case, definitively won the feud). Would there have been a situation of diminishing returns over the years by virtue of essentially turning your top star into a glorified jobber for all these guys in the matches that count? Would there have been a massive logjam at the top of the card, forcing a lot of them back down anyway? Not all of them can be World Champion or the #1 Contender at the same time. How would it affected guys who rose up in other ways? Like, if someone like Ryback was firmly established as a main event face, would there have been any need for pushing Bryan? I think there's a good chance if they struck while the iron was hot with Ryback and Barrett at least, we'd be talking today about how they rushed into pushing them that high.
|
|
|
Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 5, 2015 11:42:14 GMT -5
The thing that fascinates me is that a whole bunch of these (mostly Barrett, Punk, Ryback, Wyatt, Rusev, Owens) are likely based around "Should have beaten Cena in this match, but didn't". And it kind of gets me thinking of what would have happened if they all DID beat him (or in Punk and Owens's case, definitively won the feud). Would there have been a situation of diminishing returns over the years by virtue of essentially turning your top star into a glorified jobber for all these guys in the matches that count? Would there have been a massive logjam at the top of the card, forcing a lot of them back down anyway? Not all of them can be World Champion or the #1 Contender at the same time. How would it affected guys who rose up in other ways? Like, if someone like Ryback was firmly established as a main event face, would there have been any need for pushing Bryan? Yeah, it would have definitely had diminishing returns. But, that's the entire point. If they had elevated a few (because it's unrealistic to expect all of them especially not even all of them really needed it or, frankly, should have been elevated to that spot) these guys when they were paired up against Cena, you wouldn't have to rely on on him at the top so heavily when it's crazy stale. These guys would be positioned above Cena as Cena slid down the card. Not a lot but enough to where he wouldn't feel like the be all and end all of the show (kinda like how he was earlier in the year). You're gonna get some flops. That's the case in literally every building process, nobody is perfect. But, if you actually know what you're doing, you're gonna make guys that can be replace Cena. God bless the dude but his run on top has really been tainted by just how many missed opportunities there have been as far as creating new tippy-top guys. Cats like Bryan probably still would have been elevated. Wrestling is a business of momentum. Guys like Bryan would have moved up simply because that's how it goes in wrestling. You never truly know what can catch fire and when it's gonna happen. If you're a good booker, you don't necessarily put all your eggs in a new basket but you at least try to run with the hot hand for a while and see where it takes you. Maybe it'll flame out quickly, maybe it won't. It's also important to keep in mind that in order for some of these guys to beat Cena, the mentality behind the creative direction would have to change and THAT would essentially change the entire landscape of the company to the point it'd probably look like an entirely different show.
|
|
|
Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 5, 2015 11:42:38 GMT -5
Ryback
He should have beaten Punk. Instead they were too focussed on the short-term, one off match rather than realising by having Ryback beat Punk like the fans wanted they would have instantly created a new main event face. I couldn't see Ryback as THE face of the company. But I could easily have seen him as a Batista #2 guy.
|
|
|
Post by flowercity on Sept 5, 2015 11:48:49 GMT -5
how has there been no mention of Damien Mizdow
|
|
Sephiroth
Wade Wilson
Surviving
Posts: 28,949
Member is Online
|
Post by Sephiroth on Sept 5, 2015 11:54:14 GMT -5
how has there been no mention of Damien Mizdow Hell, The Intellectual Savior of the Masses for that matter. He definitely wasn't ready to be WHC, but he was OVER in that heel character. He was drawing heat from the crowds. So they killed it off and had him do a full year of dress up gimmicks.
|
|
ZERO
Don Corleone
Posts: 1,934
|
Post by ZERO on Sept 5, 2015 11:57:19 GMT -5
Ryback He should have beaten Punk. Instead they were too focussed on the short-term, one off match rather than realising by having Ryback beat Punk like the fans wanted they would have instantly created a new main event face. I couldn't see Ryback as THE face of the company. But I could easily have seen him as a Batista #2 guy. At least if he beat Punk, even if it didn't work out, they could put the belt on someone else or back on Punk a few months later. They could have at least tried it. I didn't even like Ryback back then, never have, but I could have seen the logic there. A guy people were clearly into and it was happening pretty organically. That's the difference between him and Reigns and a big problem WWE has these days. They can't accept things happening that they didn't orchestrate. Daniel Bryan got massively over without or even in spite of their booking, but they were bent on making Reigns the guy and everyone saw right through it. The reactions to Bryan forced their hand and it KILLED them to pull the trigger.
|
|
bob
Salacious Crumb
The "other" Bob. FOC COURSE!
started the Madness Wars, Proudly the #1 Nana Hater on FAN
Posts: 78,464
|
Post by bob on Sept 5, 2015 12:02:06 GMT -5
Christian in 2005
|
|
|
Post by sternrogers01 on Sept 5, 2015 13:00:00 GMT -5
Fandango - now, don't get me wrong, the guy was never going to be a main eventer, or even a serious mid-carder likely, but when his schtick starting breaking into the mainstream, they literally did nothing with it and actively killed it off. There was *some* sort of money to be made with that whole thing and they just didn't care. Was'nt he scheduled to be IC champion before his concussion?
|
|
rippo
Bubba Ho-Tep
Posts: 600
|
Post by rippo on Sept 5, 2015 13:06:35 GMT -5
Fandango - now, don't get me wrong, the guy was never going to be a main eventer, or even a serious mid-carder likely, but when his schtick starting breaking into the mainstream, they literally did nothing with it and actively killed it off. There was *some* sort of money to be made with that whole thing and they just didn't care. I think Fandango could easily be a main eventer if booked right. Give him an edge, have him beat his opponents unmercifully, maybe do 5 flying leg drops off the top and then do a little dance over them. I could buy that. The idea that WWE thinks every main eventer must be SERIOUS and FOCUSED is one of the reasons why wrestling is so boring and stale these days. I'd take a Dancing Fandango over a "I'm doing this for my family" Roman Reigns any day.
|
|
Sephiroth
Wade Wilson
Surviving
Posts: 28,949
Member is Online
|
Post by Sephiroth on Sept 5, 2015 13:10:26 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar ends the streak. Vanishes off tv for several months.
|
|
|
Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 5, 2015 14:05:40 GMT -5
This one pissed me off so much. I loved me some Captain Charisma.
|
|
|
Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Sept 5, 2015 14:23:33 GMT -5
Cesaro and his stupid alliance with Heyman when he was getting over as a face
Ziggler several times now
Ryback
Bad news Barrett's face turn being aborted and then gimmick being stripped from him
Cody Rhodes after he came back after losing to Orton with his job on the line
Ambrose not being champ yet
For an older one, Jericho never getting the ball as face WWE champ after the win over HHH that was stricken from the record books
|
|
keezy
Dennis Stamp
full time slacker
Posts: 4,621
|
Post by keezy on Sept 5, 2015 14:35:41 GMT -5
Kofi Kingston when he was feuding with Orton in late 09. But "STUPID, STUPID" happened.
|
|
Bo Rida
Fry's dog Seymour
Pulled one over on everyone. Got away with it, this time.
Posts: 23,576
Member is Online
|
Post by Bo Rida on Sept 5, 2015 14:36:15 GMT -5
Back in the dark days of legacy an episode of Raw ended with the entire crowd going mad and chanting Cody's name after Orton had attacked his Dad.
WWE's response to such a positive fan reaction was to not just ignore it but edit it out of all future replays.
|
|
|
Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 5, 2015 14:52:41 GMT -5
Fandango - now, don't get me wrong, the guy was never going to be a main eventer, or even a serious mid-carder likely, but when his schtick starting breaking into the mainstream, they literally did nothing with it and actively killed it off. There was *some* sort of money to be made with that whole thing and they just didn't care. Was'nt he scheduled to be IC champion before his concussion? Idk. I think Curtis Axel was always going to be inserted into that match and walk out with the IC Title whether Fandango was injured or not. They were really committed in pushing Axel as a hopeless loser who flunked his way to victory. And I think he was already starting to lose steam after Jericho got his win back for the explicit purpose of transferring Fandango's heat to Ryback.
|
|
The Ichi
Patti Mayonnaise
AGGRESSIVE Executive Janitor of the Third Floor Manager's Bathroom
Posts: 37,302
|
Post by The Ichi on Sept 5, 2015 14:58:15 GMT -5
With Ryback they decided to take the iron and throw it in a bucket of ice water.
|
|
ayumidah
Wade Wilson
Don't bother pretending I seem fine, I like that I'm a mess
Posts: 27,253
|
Post by ayumidah on Sept 5, 2015 15:12:54 GMT -5
It's not as huge as some of these, but Ricardo's split with ADR. We don't see him for a few weeks, instead of having him get involved in Christian vs ADR at Summerslam, they bring him back the next night and he gets thrown in with RVD, who leaves a couple months later, and WWE refuses to think of anything for him. So he's the scapegoat in the Cena vs ADR title unification announcement, beats ADR and then is never seen again after a beat down.
Soooo poorly handled.
|
|