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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 5, 2015 9:00:18 GMT -5
What are some of the worst examples of the WWE not taking advantage of a wrestler getting over huge with the fans?
Some examples in recent history include:
Cryme Tyme never getting the tag titles.
Nexus Wade Barrett just fizzling out due to aimless booking after Miz took the title and Cena literally buried him.
Zack Ryder. He was hot and the E "tried" to push him...by making him second fiddle in the Cena/Kane feud.
Summer of Punk.
I'm sure there's tons of others. What do you all have?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 9:02:52 GMT -5
WWE fighting tooth and nail against putting Daniel Bryan in the spot the fans wanted him in.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 5, 2015 9:04:07 GMT -5
WWE fighting tooth and nail against putting Daniel Bryan in the spot the fans wanted him in. How I forgot one of the two greatest examples escapes me. |
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Sept 5, 2015 9:09:21 GMT -5
Kevin Owens coming onto the main roster beating Cena and looking like an absolute star. Two months later and he's talking about how people say how fat he is and is in a pointless feud with Ryback for no reason.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Sept 5, 2015 9:38:40 GMT -5
WWE has made a speciality of striking lukewarm iron until it breaks.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 5, 2015 9:45:55 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt follows up a headline feud with Cena at WM be getting squished and feuding Jericho
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Post by basicdugganomix on Sept 5, 2015 9:51:39 GMT -5
WWE fighting tooth and nail against putting Daniel Bryan in the spot the fans wanted him in. He was way more over at wmxxx than summerslam My answer is Ryback. Crowds were shsking arenas with feed me more chants. They wanted him to beat punk. Then he loses or gets screwed by punk. Then loses to mark henry. Then cena and punk make him look like the biggest jabroni. Then he quits a match against miz. Imagine if they just went all in on ryback where he would be now |
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Post by Germansuplex on Sept 5, 2015 9:56:48 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose in 2014.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 5, 2015 10:00:51 GMT -5
WWE fighting tooth and nail against putting Daniel Bryan in the spot the fans wanted him in. He was way more over at wmxxx than summerslam My answer is Ryback. Crowds were shsking arenas with feed me more chants. They wanted him to beat punk. Then he loses or gets screwed by punk. Then loses to mark henry. Then cena and punk make him look like the biggest jabroni. Then he quits a match against miz. Imagine if they just went all in on ryback where he would be now Everyone would have got sick of him, especially since he never would have developed the "Da Big Guy" schtick. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 5, 2015 10:05:43 GMT -5
RVD comes in for the Invasion and is immediately over with crowds, he gets a token triple threat main event.
Instead of being the break out star of the biggest angle of all time, every big name is brought in ahead of him and he stays a midcarder for 5 years till he gets a shot.
Admittedly he blew it, but if they'd given him a run earlier when he was at peak popularity and Sabu was no where to be seen so he might have been able to keep his head on straight a bit longer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 10:06:08 GMT -5
Pretty much all the top stars and mid carders. They dropped the ball with:
- Zack Ryder
- Ryback
- Kevin Owens
- Wade Barrett
- Cryma Tyme
- Dean Ambrose
- Dolph Ziggler
- CM Punk (he could have reached Bryan's level, but instead WWE had him playing second fiddle to John Cena)
I'm sure there's a bunch more, but all of these guys could/should have been bigger stars.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 5, 2015 10:10:50 GMT -5
Rob Van Dam in 2001. You can't really say it for Bryan because WWE actually did main event him at WM, and Punk certainly had a long title run as well (even if the execution was somewhat botched). RVD though? During the Invasion the guy was outpopping The Rock at various points and in a matter of 2 months became massively, crazy over. Instead of having him go where the booking seemed to be going, namely quitting the Alliance and beating Austin for the title, he lost at No Mercy 2001 and then after the Invasion ended he was semi depushed into the IC division.
I will still say today that Van Dam should have been the top star in the company during the dark post Attitude Era/pre Cena/Batista era of WWE (2002-04).
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Sept 5, 2015 10:13:10 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan while he was still healthy. The guy was the most over guy in late 2013 and yet they were pretty much about to kill all that because of their own idiocy. Yeah, he got his Wrestlemania moment, but it still feels like months of stupid decisions to get there.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 5, 2015 10:17:30 GMT -5
The thing that fascinates me is that a whole bunch of these (mostly Barrett, Punk, Ryback, Wyatt, Rusev, Owens) are likely based around "Should have beaten Cena in this match, but didn't". And it kind of gets me thinking of what would have happened if they all DID beat him (or in Punk and Owens's case, definitively won the feud). Would there have been a situation of diminishing returns over the years by virtue of essentially turning your top star into a glorified jobber for all these guys in the matches that count? Would there have been a massive logjam at the top of the card, forcing a lot of them back down anyway? Not all of them can be World Champion or the #1 Contender at the same time. How would it affected guys who rose up in other ways? Like, if someone like Ryback was firmly established as a main event face, would there have been any need for pushing Bryan?
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Post by 543Y2J on Sept 5, 2015 10:36:10 GMT -5
Them taking ages to put the WWE Title on Jeff Hardy in 08, after countless loses to Edge and HHH over a year of build up.
The payoff and match was great at Armaggedon 2008 though. An underrated triple threat match and a geat celebration for Jeff at the end of the PPV/SD
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Post by Lazy peon on Sept 5, 2015 10:51:14 GMT -5
I remember reading news last year, I think just after Wrestlemania, about how WWE officials knew Cesaro was really hot right now but was "saving his big push for later" or some stupid shit.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 5, 2015 10:57:53 GMT -5
A lot of these guys mentioned may have given WWE reasons to avoid getting behind them (eg. Punk's attitude, controversial comments etc; RVD's drugs issue). At the end of the day, they have far more to consider than just who's over with fans. They need to consider who can represent them well, who won't let them down in public.
For these reasons the answer is Daniel Bryan. Nothing else will ever top it. There was no other reason than spite that he wasn't where he should have been.
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Post by basicdugganomix on Sept 5, 2015 11:15:27 GMT -5
He got there even hotter than summerslam 13
Imagine if his body held up until he got crushed by lesnar?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 5, 2015 11:20:24 GMT -5
Fandango - now, don't get me wrong, the guy was never going to be a main eventer, or even a serious mid-carder likely, but when his schtick starting breaking into the mainstream, they literally did nothing with it and actively killed it off. There was *some* sort of money to be made with that whole thing and they just didn't care.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 5, 2015 11:22:43 GMT -5
Pretty much every hot angle they've had in the last...5 years or so.
Some of it is for stuff out of their control but much more of it just boils down to incompetence.
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