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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 6, 2015 17:45:27 GMT -5
Depends which time. First time? Yes. Second time, not so much. But... Piper mattered after his run with Hogan. So did Sheik for a good while. And Beefcake (yes, he feuded with Hogan in 85/86 before the face turn). DiBiase. Savage. Perfect. Undertaker. Gang. Bossman. All of those guys continued to keep fairly top spots for a good time after their encounters with Hogan. Even Hercules had his strongest pushes after his Hogan feud. Sure, there were guys like Orndorff, Slaughter and Bundy, who just sank afterward, but overall, when someone was done feuding with Hogan during those years, they weren't tossed to the side but rather kept very strong and high on the card. A lot of it goes back to the Nexus fiasco, which *was* Cena's doing. He pushed hard for that, even with Edge and Jericho trying to tell him it was a bad idea. DiBiase went to the mid-card post-Hogan. Everyone you named did with the exception of Taker and that's because Hogan, in a PPV, never beat Taker cleanly. No they didn't. Sorry, but they didn't. At the time, with the company running two or three shows almost every day, they kept a lot of them at main level - and let's be clear, unlike these days, you didn't have to have the world title or contending for it to be main event level. These guys weren't running around directionless, with constant shifts in feuds and trading wins, they were main eventing all the of the shows Hogan wasn't at. Sheik and Beefcake were both put in main eventing tag teams (champions, I may add) after their runs with Hogan, and then Beefcake got his insanely popular babyface run where he was often the #2 or 3 face behind Hogan. Savage was given the title again. OMG was given another fresh top heel run as Akeem and then put in a top tag with Bossman that went up against Hogan yet again. Bossman then got a huge babyface push. Hennig pretty much owned the IC title after his Hogan run until his injury. Hercules arguably had one of the biggest-pushed non-mains at WM3 (and yes, that Billy Jack match was HEAVILY pushed at the time, despite it being a clunker).
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 6, 2015 18:14:18 GMT -5
B Barrett/Wyatt/Rusev - Red hot heel gets fed to Cena and completely buried afterwards. Wyatt is still presented as a top level threat. Rusev is better off now than he was before the Cena feud as now he gets to show that he's more than just a generic big man R-Truth turned face because Vince wanted to cash in on his schtick and sell some t-shirts. And I'd hardly call him buried. He's not exactly relevant. But he's not a jobber either. Honestly I think Truth's current position is ideal. There are lots of guys on the roster who wish they could be in Truth's position. The iron was never hot with Axel except for maybe the AxelMania stuff. They gave him Heyman and the IC Title, but they made it clear that he was a Jobber loser who fluked his way into that spot. He was never meant for bigger things. Sandow shouldn't have fallen down the card, but losing to Cena was the right call. If he won the WHC, that would've been the final nail in the coffin for that title. It would've been more of a demotion for the belt (even from Del Rio/Ziggler/Sheamus standards) than an elevation for Sandow. Big E was underutilized, but never buried. His IC Title reign was uneventful, but he won more often than not and didn't fall victim to typical IC Title Curse booking. And he was the first guy to put up a decent fight against Rusev. I love Ted, but the iron was never really hot except for the tailgate party stuff, and even that had a ceiling
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Post by tms on Sept 6, 2015 18:49:55 GMT -5
Refusing to put Swagger over Rusev for JUST ONE match when he was at his hottest. They both could have been elevated, booked properly.
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Post by basicdugganomix on Sept 6, 2015 19:10:06 GMT -5
Wyatt, Owens, and Rusev still have legs
Barrett keeps getting yoyo booking
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Sept 6, 2015 19:33:06 GMT -5
Refusing to put Swagger over Rusev for JUST ONE match when he was at his hottest. They both could have been elevated, booked properly. The flag match (a proper flag match where you actually have to grab your flag) at Summerslam was the perfect opportunity and they didn't do it.
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Post by An Old Villain on Sept 6, 2015 20:11:53 GMT -5
Young rapper Cena should have gone over Lesnar for the title in 2003. I feel dirty for typing that. Heel rapper Cena was basically a glorified lower carder who had the benefit of the brand split keeping half the top stars from eating up all the TV time. It wasn't until he turned face that we were supposed to "take him seriously". Not at all disagreeing with this, but if Miz can walk into and out of WrestleMania as the champion surely 2003 Cena could have been champion.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 6, 2015 20:11:51 GMT -5
Can we add Paige to the list? Coming off a red hot run as one of NXT's early standouts and the first women's champion-gets stripped of everything that made her catch fire in NXT and put in an unending feud with AJ in which neither of them seems to know who is the heel and who is the face.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 6, 2015 20:41:24 GMT -5
Refusing to put Swagger over Rusev for JUST ONE match when he was at his hottest. They both could have been elevated, booked properly. The problem was that WWE had this weird logic that if Rusev lost to anyone other than Cena, that it would be a "burial".
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Post by tms on Sept 6, 2015 20:50:51 GMT -5
Refusing to put Swagger over Rusev for JUST ONE match when he was at his hottest. They both could have been elevated, booked properly. The problem was that WWE had this weird logic that if Rusev lost to anyone other than Cena, that it would be a "burial". Yup. Ideally, you could have had Swagger get a win over Rusev, only to get obliterated in revenge through underhanded heel tactics. Then Cena could avenge Swagger, a fellow patriotic American, against the vile heel. From there, you could transition into the prolonged Cena/Rusev feud, cycling Cena and a recovered Swagger as Rusev's opponents, ultimately having Swagger emerge triumphant in the feud. Swagger and Cena would have made great allies IMO, even given how much of a kayfabe crappy friend Cena is.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 6, 2015 21:00:11 GMT -5
The problem was that WWE had this weird logic that if Rusev lost to anyone other than Cena, that it would be a "burial". Yup. Ideally, you could have had Swagger get a win over Rusev, only to get obliterated in revenge through underhanded heel tactics. Then Cena could avenge Swagger, a fellow patriotic American, against the vile heel. From there, you could transition into the prolonged Cena/Rusev feud, cycling Cena and a recovered Swagger as Rusev's opponents, ultimately having Swagger emerge triumphant in the feud. Swagger and Cena would have made great allies IMO, even given how much of a kayfabe crappy friend Cena is. Swagger was supposed to be on Cena's Survivor Series Team, got dropped from the angle with an injury angle and replaced with Erick Rowan...and ended up wrestling on the PPV anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 21:20:42 GMT -5
It worked out well in the end with the Hart Foundation but fans were salivating for Bulldog to turn face on Owen Hart back in late 96/early 97.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 6, 2015 23:14:03 GMT -5
Refusing to put Swagger over Rusev for JUST ONE match when he was at his hottest. They both could have been elevated, booked properly. Not only that but what have they done with Swagger since then? Jack shit.
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