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Post by Phil Parent on Sept 14, 2015 22:36:28 GMT -5
Well they're wasting Sasha. That's criminal.
On Tamina and Naomi too.
Why isn't she with the Bellas? Rolling her eyes at the two putz f***ing up their switch deal tonight?
If Bayley is on PCB, Becky with the Losers (hey, someone has to suffer!) and Sasha with the Bellas, then you can have a deal where the Horsewomen & Paige are trying to trojan horse the divas division to get rid of all the fashion models, but I don't think they are going for that.
I have no clue what they are going for.
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Post by schma on Sept 14, 2015 22:43:47 GMT -5
I'm actually kind of surprised that they're making a big deal about the length of the reign. The Divas title has only been around for 7 years. It would almost be like if Seth Rollins suddenly started counting the length of his WWE World Heavyweight Championship (did I get all the adjectives?) as he went for the record.
That said, I think we are going to start seeing more development with the title and more singles matches. It's already starting. Some will say too little, too late but I still have some hope. They're getting two matches every Raw which is something we couldn't say for years. Sadly, they still aren't getting the respect that the men do and I'm not sure that will happen until there's a real shift in management at the top. That said, I think things are better than they were even six months ago but we still have a long way to go.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Sept 14, 2015 22:45:04 GMT -5
Doesn't surprise me.
When the 4 main NXT divas were doing what they were doing in NXT, you have to look at the circumstances. One hour of tv a week. Essentially 4 divas in the division (plus an enhancement talent every once in a while showing up). Chances are you'd see the divas wrestle once, MAYBE twice every 3 weeks but that was about it. You also had a crowd that wanted to care about these women, whereas the broader audience for Raw/SD may not be as receptive.
Charlotte will do fine, that's a given. But the big change that some people expected won't be happening. There's too many divas and too much time to fill for the novelty to not wear off. But then again, it's worn off pretty quickly.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 14, 2015 22:48:36 GMT -5
Doesn't surprise me. When the 4 main NXT divas were doing what they were doing in NXT, you have to look at the circumstances. One hour of tv a week. Essentially 4 divas in the division (plus an enhancement talent every once in a while showing up). Chances are you'd see the divas wrestle once, MAYBE twice every 3 weeks but that was about it. You also had a crowd that wanted to care about these women, whereas the broader audience for Raw/SD may not be as receptive. Charlotte will do fine, that's a given. But the big change that some people expected won't be happening. There's too many divas and too much time to fill for the novelty to not wear off. But then again, it's worn off pretty quickly. Sure, but they were also given goals and forward momentum on NXT which could have been translated over to RAW. The revolution has been going on for what 3 months? The first 2 were filled with constant win trading and meaningless matches. It didn't have to be like that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 22:49:12 GMT -5
When a company does something primarily for optics without genuinely caring about it, this is typically the end result.
They half-assed it because they never really wanted to do it. The WWE, for all of its faults, will go to the end and back if they believe in something (i.e. Cena, Reigns until WM, etc). They didn't believe in this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 22:49:24 GMT -5
I am baffled as to this co-opting of the movement by the Bellas, that somehow they are part of the Divas Revolution. The entire point of it in the first place was the notion that the Bellas suck so bad that it's killing the entire division and we need these new gals to crush them and rid the world of the Bellas. Let's say Charlotte wins on Sunday. So what? That's what kills the whole thing for me. It was heavily implied that the Bellas are a drag and we need to raise the standards, or that the Bellas are using their backstage influence to keep a stranglehold on the division, and we need fresh blood. Now, its "actually, the Bellas are the Revolution". Mixed messages, muddied waters, and it's so obvious it's a bunch of people pushing their power play agendas and what we're getting is not the result of a healthy creative process, with the goal of telling the best stories. I don't get supporting or justifying that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 22:50:03 GMT -5
It's improved things in the sense that they give women longer matches and they put them in better positions on the card but it's still pretty transparent that they're doing this under the facade of equality and not because they're in any way inspired. It's booked exactly the same, bare minimum stories with new faces and longer matches that don't benefit because there are zero stakes to anything.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Sept 14, 2015 22:49:56 GMT -5
This has absolutely done more harm than good. First they messed up the timing on it hard by giving everything zero storyline for two different PPVs before even acknowledging that the belt ought to be defended. Then they messed it up by having Stephanie somehow try to seem like she was the one orchestrating it when NXT alumni Paige spent months looking for people to help her bring down the Bellas. Then when they brought on Sasha Banks on as a third wheel to Naomi and Tamina to accomplish ?. Then by putting on endless permutations of tag matches with little build up to anybody going on anywhere. And so on and so forth. This blew the chance to debut any of these women under any kind of hot circumstances or lead to big debuts; they all came out at once, weren't given enough time to show personality or assert themselves as characters because everything got so muddled and when it did have direction, that direction was Bella-centric, and the only person to debatably built up any kind of steam with the booking has been Charlotte, and that came to a dead f***ing halt tonight. No change has occurred and nothing has been accomplished, leaving this all just a lot of empty hype onto which none of the blame ought to fall on the talent, but which on the office end of things it inevitably all will, because Creative never seems to catch any heat for their garbage not getting over. They aren't even really getting time like they were at the beginning. Only WWE could take three performers with as much momentum and excitement about their time on the main roster, and manage to kill it dead in short order. Ultimately, the Bellas as centerpieces of the division and an utter lack of understanding that writing plays a big part in NXT's amazing womens' division are all signs that this was always going to be dead on arrival.
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Post by LuchaBella on Sept 14, 2015 22:53:23 GMT -5
I always believe that when you have to tell people that its a "thing", then its not really a thing.
If you have to tell us that its a divas revolution, then its really not. The buzzwords are fine but there are no actions that show that its happening. And I'll be honest, I cried when Charlotte Sasha and Becky were called up, but I quickly realized that like everything else, WWE were jumping on the strong female athlete trend, as a way to pander and to make money. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 14, 2015 22:56:18 GMT -5
I don't think it has done more harm than good. The Divas are getting long matches and drawing more reaction from the crowd than they have in a long time. That said, you have sky high expectations from a vocal portion of the fanbase meeting a business plan that falls well short of those expectations just in the people involved and we get the reactions on here we've had since week 2.
WWE was in a no win situation of their own doing. If they didn't acknowledge the massive backlash to the Divas' booking they look horrible and to acknowledge it gave the impression that they were going from 0 to 100 at the start. So if they introduce the NXT3 without saying were going to get better, people would have gotten angry at them being wasted no matter what happened. They introduce them and say things will be different and people go straight to expecting NXT on RAW when that wasn't going to happen right away. It isn't the fault of either for the expectations and the reality, but WWE has no one to blame but themselves for causing this to be an issue.
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Post by chrom on Sept 14, 2015 22:56:45 GMT -5
Yes, yes it has.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Sept 14, 2015 22:57:12 GMT -5
Watching Nikki celebrate while Steph's music played summed up the revolution really well.
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Post by Rave on Sept 14, 2015 22:57:55 GMT -5
It's not a "revolution" when all you change is the length of the matches and add a few new faces. The ass-backwards booking is still in effect, therefore any attempt at a "revolution" was doomed to fail from the beginning.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 22:58:50 GMT -5
I always believe that when you have to tell people that its something, then its not really a thing. If you have to tell us that its a divas revolution, then its really not. The buzzwords are fine but there are no actions that show that its happening. And I'll be honest, I cried when Charlotte Sasha and Becky were called up, but I quickly realized that like everything else, WWE were jumping on the strong female athlete trend, as a way to pander and to make money. Nothing more, nothing less. All we're really looking for, all anyone is really looking for, is something that feels real, that feels genuine. By the time it gets through all the layers of WWE-ness, it's hard for anything to feel pure. And if it does, it will eventually be consumed as WWE tries to squeeze the most money it possibly can out of it. "Well if we have a hashtag, it will be on social media and we can trumpet some figures out how socially active we are!" But you're undermining shit. The people running corporations like that don't understand because there's no focus on authenticity or building anything.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 22:59:58 GMT -5
It's not a "revolution" when all you change is the length of the matches and add a few new faces. The ass-backwards booking is still in effect, therefore any attempt at a "revolution" was doomed to fail from the beginning. Before even going that far, it's not a revolution when the highest authority in the company is sparking it.
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Post by Rave on Sept 14, 2015 23:10:17 GMT -5
It's not a "revolution" when all you change is the length of the matches and add a few new faces. The ass-backwards booking is still in effect, therefore any attempt at a "revolution" was doomed to fail from the beginning. Before even going that far, it's not a revolution when the highest authority in the company is sparking it. And one who has a history of intentionally making herself the invincible alpha female, at that.
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Post by SenorCrest on Sept 14, 2015 23:16:17 GMT -5
All it did was reaffirm what we all knew they were going to do. We know that once any nxt star gets called up they will not be booked the same way as in nxt (with some direction). They just float about in the never ending sea of buzzwords and politics.
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Sept 14, 2015 23:20:13 GMT -5
The only way to fix this is for Charlotte to demolish Nikki Sunday. To show that the new girls are legitimately better, that things are going to be different.
99.9% shot Paige costs Charlotte.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 23:22:29 GMT -5
There was never a revolution to begin with and it came directly from Stephanie on that first night of the debuts.
"THERE IS A WOMENS REVOLUTION IN SPORTS" aka We are getting on the bandwagon!
It was never about improving the division or giving the women better treatment on air it was a PR move to make themselves look like they are with the times...but now especially after tonight it is back to what the division has always been treated as...a bathroom break.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 14, 2015 23:25:58 GMT -5
The only way to fix this is for Charlotte to demolish Nikki Sunday. To show that the new girls are legitimately better, that things are going to be different. 99.9% shot Paige costs Charlotte. but..people were saying that was the only way to salvage it yesterday
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