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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Sept 15, 2015 12:24:15 GMT -5
Let's be honest for a moment.
Vince & Company don't have the desire to fix the men's division, is it any surprise that the Diva's division is still this badly broken?
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Post by Woo on Sept 15, 2015 12:47:58 GMT -5
Yes it's done more harm than good. It's damaged Sasha, Becky and Charlotte by having the mixed up in this crap.
Stephanie is the problem as much as Vince and Dunn. Of course someone like Sasha won't win her over with her hard work, Stephanie is someone who's never had to work in their life. She had everything given to her. Much like the Bellas.
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Post by markymark on Sept 15, 2015 12:57:51 GMT -5
One problem is Steph, is Steph wants to be the center of attention of the whole Divas Revolution, then why doesnt she feud with lets say Charlotte(once she beats Nikki at NoC)? It would elevate Charlotte to that level Trish, Lita reached in the 2000s, if Steph could make the Bellas relevant then with Charlotte and the other NXT women should be a piece of cake.
WWE doesnt use Steph the correct way, she needs to be used to make the NXT women into stars.
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Sept 15, 2015 12:59:19 GMT -5
One problem is Steph, is Steph wants to be the center of attention of the whole Divas Revolution, then why doesnt she feud with lets say Charlotte(once she beats Nikki at NoC)? It would elevate Charlotte to that level Trish, Lita reached in the 2000s, if Steph could make the Bellas relevant then with Charlotte and the other NXT women should be a piece of cake. WWE doesnt use Steph the correct way, she needs to be used to make the NXT women into stars. This would mean the NXT Women go over on Steph, and we certainly can't have that, can we? |
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Post by schma on Sept 15, 2015 15:43:10 GMT -5
In order for there to be a "Revolution", WWE would need to get rid of The Bellas, Alicia and everyone else who can't wrestle. That won't happen. So just be glad you can see good feuds and matches in NXT. At least until they get called up to job to the Bellas... The NXT ladies have actually been posting a lot of wins, many at the expense of Team Bella. That's not to say the Bellas haven't gotten some wins back but at the very least, the NXT ladies are making a good show for themselves in the win column. Nikki Bella has a good thing going with her powerhouse moveset, though it doesn't particularly gel with her character. Alicia is a capable ring hand. That said, they should be serving to help pass the torch to the NXT crew as neither of them likely have too much gas left in the tank (at least in WWE eyes). |
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Post by SAJ Forth on Sept 15, 2015 17:56:51 GMT -5
more along the lines they pretended to do a revolution did more harm This is basically it. Between Steph basically riding Ronda Rousey's figurative jock, and the fact that they did not change the one thing fans wanted changed, half-assing it screwed them in a major way. |
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Post by SAJ Forth on Sept 15, 2015 17:58:03 GMT -5
When a company does something primarily for optics without genuinely caring about it, this is typically the end result. They half-assed it because they never really wanted to do it. The WWE, for all of its faults, will go to the end and back if they believe in something (i.e. Cena, Reigns until WM, etc). They didn't believe in this. But Connor's Cure, that's for real right? Right! |
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Post by Woo on Sept 15, 2015 19:08:23 GMT -5
One problem is Steph, is Steph wants to be the center of attention of the whole Divas Revolution, then why doesnt she feud with lets say Charlotte(once she beats Nikki at NoC)? It would elevate Charlotte to that level Trish, Lita reached in the 2000s, if Steph could make the Bellas relevant then with Charlotte and the other NXT women should be a piece of cake. WWE doesnt use Steph the correct way, she needs to be used to make the NXT women into stars. Steph playing Vince to the NXT girls being Austin is the only way you can use Steph with it making sense. |
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Post by Ruthless Pessimism on Sept 15, 2015 19:30:39 GMT -5
The people wanted better women's matches, Stephanie gave it to them.
They wanted the NXT girls to get some shine on the main roster, now they have it.
They wanted the women better positioned on the card with more interest in the women's title, here we are.
It's delivered. But now people aren't happy with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 19:49:09 GMT -5
The people wanted better women's matches, Stephanie gave it to them.
They wanted the NXT girls to get some shine on the main roster, now they have it.
They wanted the women better positioned on the card with more interest in the women's title, here we are.
It's delivered. But now people aren't happy with it. Well, one, the matches aren't any better, they're just longer. Two, the title has been basically a non-factor outside of for the last three weeks - Monday was the first defense in about two months, and even then none of the women seem to care about it with how Paige and Sasha are happily backing up the woman who beat them to get the shot, Team BAD is making no moves for the belt (and seems to no longer exist), and Brie and Alicia are content to be Nikki's lackeys for no apparent reason. Three, one other huge issue with the divas division for many years has been the complete lack of stories and characters, and this storyline has consisted entirely of, "Here are these three teams. This one's good because we say they are, this one's bad because they call themselves BAD, and the Bellas' alignment depends on who they're fighting. None of the teams is actually trying to do anything but win the same random match every week. Enjoy!" |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 15, 2015 19:55:38 GMT -5
In order for there to be a "Revolution", WWE would need to get rid of The Bellas, Alicia and everyone else who can't wrestle. That won't happen. So just be glad you can see good feuds and matches in NXT. At least until they get called up to job to the Bellas... The Bellas and Alicia CAN wrestle. |
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Post by JCBaggee on Sept 15, 2015 20:01:32 GMT -5
The Revolution is going great, assuming you're referring to what's happening down in NXT.
The last bit of steam fizzled out Monday night with a contrived, slap in the face finish.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 15, 2015 20:21:27 GMT -5
The people wanted better women's matches, Stephanie gave it to them.
They wanted the NXT girls to get some shine on the main roster, now they have it.
They wanted the women better positioned on the card with more interest in the women's title, here we are.
It's delivered. But now people aren't happy with it. It hasn't delivered. Even a slight examination of it shows how flawed it all is. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 20:32:37 GMT -5
In order for there to be a "Revolution", WWE would need to get rid of The Bellas, Alicia and everyone else who can't wrestle. That won't happen. So just be glad you can see good feuds and matches in NXT. At least until they get called up to job to the Bellas... The Bellas and Alicia CAN wrestle. Well, Nikki and Alicia can. And hey, let's not just single out Team Bella here, Tamina's terrible too. |
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Post by Ruthless Pessimism on Sept 16, 2015 0:02:40 GMT -5
The people wanted better women's matches, Stephanie gave it to them.
They wanted the NXT girls to get some shine on the main roster, now they have it.
They wanted the women better positioned on the card with more interest in the women's title, here we are.
It's delivered. But now people aren't happy with it. Well, one, the matches aren't any better, they're just longer. Two, the title has been basically a non-factor outside of for the last three weeks - Monday was the first defense in about two months, and even then none of the women seem to care about it with how Paige and Sasha are happily backing up the woman who beat them to get the shot, Team BAD is making no moves for the belt (and seems to no longer exist), and Brie and Alicia are content to be Nikki's lackeys for no apparent reason. Three, one other huge issue with the divas division for many years has been the complete lack of stories and characters, and this storyline has consisted entirely of, "Here are these three teams. This one's good because we say they are, this one's bad because they call themselves BAD, and the Bellas' alignment depends on who they're fighting. None of the teams is actually trying to do anything but win the same random match every week. Enjoy!" That's their role in the WWE. Go out there, roll around for five minutes, stick your ass out and head to the back. The whole "Revolution" thing was a buzzword from the beginning, it's delivered everything it was meant to. Practically nothing. But now everyone's talking about the division, they're talking about the champion and her record and three of the callups everyone wanted on the main roster are there.
Any idea of this supposedly changing everything or causing a new boom in women's wrestling in the WWE? You were just working yourself.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 18, 2015 22:17:09 GMT -5
A while back I basically noted that women's wrestling by definition cannot be a truly serious and viable deal in WWE. On NXT there isn't much else going on so they can do this. Nobody is out to protect their spot, or care about being shown up by chicks. That happened circa 1988 when the Jumping Bomb Angels were doing crazy stuff to the point where the main event men had their push stopped quickly and they went back to Japan. It is either that or a total joke of a division like WWE has had the past few years. Really the Lita/Trish era was about as feasible as it gets. They were decent enough to not be awful or kill ratings, but not so good as to upset the actual status quo.
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Post by xCompackx on Sept 18, 2015 23:18:47 GMT -5
The problems with the "Divas Revolution" are the same problems that a lot of other areas in WWE suffer from; it feels so damn fake and it also feels like they don't even want to do it. From Charlotte's ass-shorts to still portraying everyone as bitches to not putting forth any effort in storytelling by putting everyone in teams. It's the same shit they've been doing for the past 10 years, just with a name behind it.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 18, 2015 23:19:58 GMT -5
The Bellas and Alicia CAN wrestle. Well, Nikki and Alicia can. And hey, let's not just single out Team Bella here, Tamina's terrible too. Nikki can certainly do wrestling moves inside a wrestling ring,i will giver her that Alicia is actually a great worker,MUCH better than the bellas,i never got the reason behind the Alicia Fox is bad opinion. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 18, 2015 23:40:37 GMT -5
Alicia is a far superior wrestler to Nikki and certainly Brie, who is just plain crap.
I love Alicia's scissors kick. When she hits it, it looks brutal.
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 18, 2015 23:43:29 GMT -5
more ham than good
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