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Post by Starshine on Sept 14, 2015 22:03:55 GMT -5
A lot of people were really excited when Charlotte, Becky and Sasha made their entrances on RAW a few months back. Those of us who knew them from NXT were excited to see women wrestling potentially being taken seriously and the possibility of that change was very encouraging. Yet, honestly there were problems from the start with a hashtag shoved down our throats, Stephanie McMahon being presented as the revolutionary behind the movement, and the divas being assigned into teams for no real explanation. Still there was a chance they could move past this and things might improve. Nikki Bella's title reign was coming up to a record date, and clearly would be made a big focus in the angle. Then they started having tag matches, and more tag matches, and trading wins, and more tag matches, lkeading up to another tag match at SummerSlam. Suddenly what was fresh was now stale, and the Revolution was spinning it's wheels. Now Nikki's reign has crossed over the previous record, and yet it feels like nothing has really been achieved in the prior months. To a lot of people the #DivasRevolution has been a failure.
Now imagine they hadn't forced that hashtag on us. Imagine if they hadn't taked about change. Say Paige had introduced Charlotte and Becky as contingency plans to deal with Brie and Alicia. Then Sasha, upset at being snubbed despite being the NXT womens champion had aligned herself with Naomi and Tamina who wanted revenge against the Bellas and Paige too. If all that had happened instead, and everything else had been the same, would our disappointment have been as severe, or would there still be some hope that change would occur?
I guess the thing that bothers me the most is that I believe the WWE thought they were doing something good this whole time. The fact they've failed to actually follow through despite that seems to show that there isn't really any hope of things ever changing. At least not in the near future. It's hard to really feel excited to see someone like Bayley come up now when I'm just worried they'll shove the usual bitchy and crazy gimmick on her like every other women seems to get. It's very disappointing when you see Bayley and Sasha own a show, only to then turn around and see that same company push drek like this revolution and then pat themselves on the back as if they've really made a difference. It's really depressing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 22:04:42 GMT -5
You can say that again.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 14, 2015 22:08:34 GMT -5
more along the lines they pretended to do a revolution did more harm
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 14, 2015 22:10:06 GMT -5
Yes. It has.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Sept 14, 2015 22:10:43 GMT -5
So what you're saying is that the WWE's execution has been terrible from the jump?
I'm not sure anyone would disagree with you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 22:15:35 GMT -5
Now imagine they hadn't forced that hashtag on us. Imagine if they hadn't taked about change. Say Paige had introduced Charlotte and Becky as contingency plans to deal with Brie and Alicia. Then Sasha, upset at being snubbed despite being the NXT womens champion had aligned herself with Naomi and Tamina who wanted revenge against the Bellas and Paige too. If all that had happened instead, and everything else had been the same, would our disappointment have been as severe, or would there still be some hope that change would occur? That'd still probably suck if doing the exact same approach otherwise, but would at least supply some reason for the team dynamic and for us to care about these alliances. But it wouldn't involve Stephanie getting to praise herself for being a revolutionary figure who's singlehandedly saving feminism so it's out.
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Post by Sparkybob on Sept 14, 2015 22:16:00 GMT -5
The only reason to call them all up was to find someone to beat Nikki for the title before the record was broken. Now if Nikki lose then yea she'll be sad but she still got her end game which was the record so Nikki really is the one who comes off swell here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 22:18:41 GMT -5
The only reason to call them all up was to find someone to beat Nikki for the title before the record was broken. Now if Nikki lose then yea she'll be sad but she still got her end game which was the record so Nikki really is the one who comes off swell here. I didn't really think of it like that, spot on. Another thing is that I'm not getting what people mean when they say that whoever beats Nikki will be "the one" because honestly, it's rare that even happens. It's been shown she's beatable without cheating so it's not like it's a major thing with a stipulation added to the match.
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Sept 14, 2015 22:19:44 GMT -5
No, it just fell flat like most things they've done.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Sept 14, 2015 22:20:16 GMT -5
It's a "revolution" created by a company obsessed with buzzwords.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 14, 2015 22:21:42 GMT -5
It doesn't help that they are pushing that this is some sort of women's wrestling revolution, but then they come out to the Total Divas theme, which is the representation of everything that people hated about this division to begin with. Or that The Bellas have started taking credit for starting the revolution, and nobody from Stephanie McMahon to any of Team PCB have called them out on that claim.
They just don't seem to know what a revolution actually is to begin with, so they end up sending out the wrong signals from what people have in mind when they see the word "revolution."
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Post by Chiral on Sept 14, 2015 22:21:58 GMT -5
NXT's actually having a competent division works. WWE's Stephanie McMahon Presents: Stephanie McMahon's #Divasrevolution starring the Bellas does not.
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Post by Captain & Diet on Sept 14, 2015 22:21:53 GMT -5
I think the big difference is that the creative minds behind Raw and NXT are different. The shows are presented differently and frankly, the women on Raw aren't treated with the respect or the importance as the men. It's unfortunate because I'd watch Paige, Becky,Charlotte, Bailey and Sasha every day. I want to get to know their characters and see personal issues crop up and settled between them. I can't say the same for many of the men. I don't care a bit about Sheamus, Cena or Orton.
Change the philosophy and direction to spotlight the talented women and you'll get the Raw audience behind it. Treat the women like a throwaway segment and of course the crowd will be restless and apathetic.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 14, 2015 22:22:15 GMT -5
The only reason to call them all up was to find someone to beat Nikki for the title before the record was broken. Now if Nikki lose then yea she'll be sad but she still got her end game which was the record so Nikki really is the one who comes off swell here. exactly,no one gained anything except Nikki,even if she loses now,so what? She spent weeks bragging about being the longest,and she got it,the bad guy won.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 22:23:15 GMT -5
It raised expectations, has not met them, and now the whole narrative has become muddled.
They just need for Charlotte to win the title and drop it to Sasha in a great feud. Forget all semblance of #Revolutionizing anything and just put on great matches.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Sept 14, 2015 22:23:13 GMT -5
It was pretty obvious it'd be shit the minute Charlotte, Becky and Sasha were randomly debuted all together and assigned teams because Steph was like "Guys, I'm here to save the Divas division!"
When Stephanie McMahon is the kickstart to your storyline, you know you're off to a horrific start (see also: Jericho scooping dog poop, Big Show going broke).
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 14, 2015 22:25:48 GMT -5
I am baffled as to this co-opting of the movement by the Bellas, that somehow they are part of the Divas Revolution. The entire point of it in the first place was the notion that the Bellas suck so bad that it's killing the entire division and we need these new gals to crush them and rid the world of the Bellas.
Let's say Charlotte wins on Sunday. So what?
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Sept 14, 2015 22:26:16 GMT -5
Yes. When the new Divas were kicking ass in NXT, there was hope that they would take the spot light and would change the Diva's Division. Now it feels like there's really no hope for them. They will always be eye candy as long as Dunn is around.
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Post by gr1990 on Sept 14, 2015 22:27:41 GMT -5
I think so, because to the casual fan who's never watched an NXT show, they'll just see all these girls everyone raves about turn up and take up loads of time on TV having pointlessly long matches that are little better than what went before while having no established character and motivation. If you know what these women are capable of when used correctly it's frustrating, if you don't know what they're capable of it's probably just boring and the hype is baffling. Nothing's changed, the champion hasn't been toppled, no one has proven anything to anybody. It's the worst possible introduction to the next generation of talent that the mainstream WWE audience could have had.
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Post by Dean-o on Sept 14, 2015 22:32:01 GMT -5
You know how Mr. Belding wearing a Buddy Band made them uncool and pretty much put the company out of business in the process? It's kinda the same thing every time the WWE gets involved in something the fans like.
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