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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 1:51:01 GMT -5
Bring back some jobber matches. No need not to have at least 2 or so on Raw. Makes Mid Card guys look better, and it makes it so that the same match is not done to death. Wouldn't really do a thing for ratings, though. It's not going to make people more inclined to tune in when you go from acting like the pointless filler matches matter to outright telling people they don't matter.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Sept 25, 2015 2:10:12 GMT -5
Bring back some jobber matches. No need not to have at least 2 or so on Raw. Makes Mid Card guys look better, and it makes it so that the same match is not done to death. Wouldn't really do a thing for ratings, though. It's not going to make people more inclined to tune in when you go from acting like the pointless filler matches matter to outright telling people they don't matter. You do a couple of jobber ones, so that the more fued like ones can be hyped up and used less frequantly so that people could tune when it happens. Like actually hyping Stardust vs Nevil for a couple of weeks, then when they actually wrestle people might actually tune in because they have not seen it, or it has been a month+ since that happened not it has been since Thursday since that match happened. Adding back the jobber element(not a full show just a small portion but bigger than what it is now) can make the actuall fued matches seem more special.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 2:25:54 GMT -5
Wouldn't really do a thing for ratings, though. It's not going to make people more inclined to tune in when you go from acting like the pointless filler matches matter to outright telling people they don't matter. You do a couple of jobber ones, so that the more fued like ones can be hyped up and used less frequantly so that people could tune when it happens. Like actually hyping Stardust vs Nevil for a couple of weeks, then when they actually wrestle people might actually tune in because they have not seen it, or it has been a month+ since that happened not it has been since Thursday since that match happened. Adding back the jobber element(not a full show just a small portion but bigger than what it is now) can make the actuall fued matches seem more special. I agree with the general idea, though I'm more on the side of, "Do them here and there," than, "Make half the show every week squash matches," like a lot of people advocate for. I just don't think it'd help the ratings problem. Though one thing I really want more is the levels of the roster intermingling more and now having such wide disparities between them. Just because Cesaro is a midcarder and Rollins is a main eventer doesn't mean they should act like they're in separate universes. Also, the Network being what it is they should be way more willing to take chances on PPV main events and try new people in the role.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Sept 25, 2015 2:28:42 GMT -5
I love this idea that Vince JUST NOW noticed the low ratings.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Sept 25, 2015 3:33:14 GMT -5
I don't blame Seth as a performer but this booking of him as what you can call a fairly long reign as champ in this era is just atrocious. He shouldn't be being pinned by his longterm rival Ambrose who loses to almost everybody in a throwaway non-title match on Smackdown. In the old days that's a WrestleMania Main Event for the title. Who are even gonna be the legends years they dust off years from now? Aside from Cena and I guess Orton there really have been none made in the past decade.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Sept 25, 2015 4:41:42 GMT -5
You do a couple of jobber ones, so that the more fued like ones can be hyped up and used less frequantly so that people could tune when it happens. Like actually hyping Stardust vs Nevil for a couple of weeks, then when they actually wrestle people might actually tune in because they have not seen it, or it has been a month+ since that happened not it has been since Thursday since that match happened. Adding back the jobber element(not a full show just a small portion but bigger than what it is now) can make the actuall fued matches seem more special. I agree with the general idea, though I'm more on the side of, "Do them here and there," than, "Make half the show every week squash matches," like a lot of people advocate for. I just don't think it'd help the ratings problem. Though one thing I really want more is the levels of the roster intermingling more and now having such wide disparities between them. Just because Cesaro is a midcarder and Rollins is a main eventer doesn't mean they should act like they're in separate universes. Also, the Network being what it is they should be way more willing to take chances on PPV main events and try new people in the role. Cesaro and Rollins faced off a few times on SD in the past months You're thinking shortterm though. Hotrod is right, more squash matches (let's say 2 for every RAW episode) means less burning through intriguing/fresh matchups. Why watch a PPV/special if you've seen those guys/gals face each other tons of times on RAW or SD. It's just nothing special anymore. In 1998 there were awesome longterm storylines, thats why many didnt notice Austin and Foley or Hunter and Owen fighting for the 12th time on TV Hell they have so many undercarders/JTTS that do nothing anyway (from Maddox to Swagger to Fandango to Slater to Rose to Matadores etc), use them to build up midcarders
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Sept 25, 2015 4:47:44 GMT -5
Aside from Cena and I guess Orton there really have been none made in the past decade. Don't worry they can always rely on these stars to get WM pops Rowdy Roddy Zombie,Dusty Bones,Non Racist Spirit Of Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair's Head on robot body, Anamatronic 3D Ultimate Warrior
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Sept 25, 2015 4:54:01 GMT -5
Exclusive footage of McMahon interacting with Kevin Dunn upon hearing the news.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Sept 25, 2015 6:45:47 GMT -5
I think the only issue I can see with bringing back jobber matches is that they'd have to, almost assuredly, hire new people just to be cannon fodder.
"But Jess, you strange Canadian, what about the jobbers we have now, like Ryder or Fandango or Cesaro Alex Riley?" Well, Timmy, here's the thing... we've already seen Ryder, Fandango, and Sting Adam Rose get mudholes stomped in their asses by the current midcarders, and we're trying to avoid repetitive horse shit right now. And before you ask, Timmy, no, we can't make those guys the new midcard to feed on the jobbers, because even if Zack Ryder went on a Cena-tier winning streak, nobody is going to believe he's going to win a match against the future upper-midcarders.
Although they could potentially solve a problem by merging the IC and US Titles, have it actually be the Tier 2 belt, and revive the TV Title for the midcard. That way, you can have Ryder and Big Show Fandango feud for a belt, while the IC title becomes something for the upper-midcard to chase whenever they're not being pushed into the main event to feud with Big Show, who I would make the new World Heavyweight champion. We all love Big Show title runs, right?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 7:38:10 GMT -5
If Raw remains in their current variety show format, what's the incentive to watch? There are no consequences to any storylines week to week, and with the company itself telling the viewers at home that the show is fake, it really makes the entire process of watching a three hour show essentially pointless.
Once the people who grew up with the WWF stop watching, the company is screwed. It won't be for a while but it will happen eventually. Wrestling hasn't attracted newer fans in years, and wrestling being cyclical is not based on reality but moreso coincidences.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Sept 25, 2015 8:15:33 GMT -5
No previous wrestling "boom" periods started by going backwards. Hogan was a dominant, crowd-pleasing babyface. The nWo saw said dominant, crowd-pleasing babyface tell said pleased crowd to go **** themselves. Steven Austin told EVERYONE to go **** themselves while kicking all available ass.
Beyond that, it's been all recycle this/rehash that.
Want to improve the ratings? Want to look for a new BOOM period? Find a bunch of new people. Understand that ratings are going to take a temporary hit, but gamble that it'll pay off. You won't increase viewership with a chicken**** heel with a stranglehold on the belt. Turn Seth "face". Make him a fighting champion who can show off all that amazing stuff he can do. Then...and I know it's blasphemy...turn Cena HEEL and make him the biggest threat to Seth.
Cena BELONGS in the Authority. And none of their half-assed explanations change that. Cena is THE man. He's been the face of the company since he was HAND PICKED to take over that spot when Austin got hurt, Rock left, and Lesnar REALLY left.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Sept 25, 2015 8:28:03 GMT -5
We all know the man that can save these ratings.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Sept 25, 2015 9:30:47 GMT -5
Turn Cena heel. And have him doing it by doing something that will get as close to 100% of the audience against him as possible. Remember that thing with Seth, the briefcase, and Edge's neck? Do something like that with Daniel Bryan. Or Sting. Or, spend like three months building to a Steve Austin/Lesnar program, only to have Cena "kill" Austin. Or pay CM Punk like a million dollars to come back for one "match" only to have Cena keep it from happening. Make EVERYONE hate him.
Then Cena's the Authority's ultimate trump card. "You thought I was unstoppable before? When I had to wrestle on every show, appear at every photo op, and keep "the WWE universe" happy? Now, I wrestle when I want. I don't have to expend time and effort on sick kids, razor commercials, or any other bull****. I'm John Cena, and you can't see me...unless they pay me. Then...you can't STOP me."
Meanwhile, you've got Seth, Dean, Roman, Owens, Balor, etc putting on amazing matches every week. Building up a solid fanbase and having NOTHING to do with Cena until the audience is BEGGING for it. And even then not until the audience picks one, definite, new "IT" guy. Wait as long as it takes. But once the crowd goes YES. THIS GUY. Hogan/ Iron Sheik it. Strap a rock to THAT guy and, highs or lows, ride it.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Sept 25, 2015 10:30:48 GMT -5
RAW is their main flagship show and it's become by and large skippable. They constantly replay everything that's already happened, so there's no reason to rush into the opening hour. It's three frickin hours long, which is longer than most blockbuster movies. I know it's because of rights fees, but the shine is quickly wearing off, and a lot of people don't have the interest any more. Their whole show set up has been the same for approximately 20 years. They need to reevaluate things from the ground up. Do something to make the show feel fresh. Putting the title on Cena, or rushing out another Attitude Era legend would not be a long term solution. This is the ultimate correct answer. And pretty much prioritized exactly as it should be from biggest reason/point to least. Fix the quoted post, and WWE wins.
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Post by metylerca on Sept 25, 2015 10:37:46 GMT -5
We all know the man that can save these ratings. Ziggler gimmick change confirmed.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Sept 25, 2015 11:35:02 GMT -5
I can't imagine why people don't want to watch a fat sweaty washed up slob beat up fresh new faces.
I know, Maybe we can feed more of the guys we spent building in NXT to Cena, that ought to do it
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Post by idislikeeverything on Sept 25, 2015 12:18:30 GMT -5
You do lots of jobber matches then people moan it is boring and samey and the jobbers deserve better as they'll get a cult following. It is a no win.
Don't most say Blue Pants should be signed to NXT yet she is what this jobber advocates.
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Post by Woo on Sept 25, 2015 12:25:03 GMT -5
You do lots of jobber matches then people moan it is boring and samey and the jobbers deserve better as they'll get a cult following. It is a no win. Don't most say Blue Pants should be signed to NXT yet she is what this jobber advocates. Blue Pants should be signed. She's your second most over female in NXT. That's just common sense. Forget jobbers and just use local wrestling talent to take the pins. If two wrestlers are fighting at the PPV they should not have a match togther until then. The Austin/HHH angle leading to No Way Out 2001 where they couldn't touch eachother until then was perfect as the crowd were red hot for when they can finally do battle. Now we have people trading back wins every week with less and less returns. Hit Girl said it a while back but the Shield brought a sense of danger and chaos to Raw that we haven't had since. Don't go full Russo but there needs to be OMG moments every week.
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Post by idislikeeverything on Sept 25, 2015 12:54:52 GMT -5
You do lots of jobber matches then people moan it is boring and samey and the jobbers deserve better as they'll get a cult following. It is a no win. Don't most say Blue Pants should be signed to NXT yet she is what this jobber advocates. Blue Pants should be signed. She's your second most over female in NXT. That's just common sense. Forget jobbers and just use local wrestling talent to take the pins. If two wrestlers are fighting at the PPV they should not have a match togther until then. The Austin/HHH angle leading to No Way Out 2001 where they couldn't touch eachother until then was perfect as the crowd were red hot for when they can finally do battle. Now we have people trading back wins every week with less and less returns. Hit Girl said it a while back but the Shield brought a sense of danger and chaos to Raw that we haven't had since. Don't go full Russo but there needs to be OMG moments every week. I agree with that but I don't agree with the return to 1990 Superstars of Wrestling style. THAT will kill ratings.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Sept 25, 2015 12:57:16 GMT -5
We all know the man that can save these ratings. Comes in and beats John Cena on his debut, two months later is repackaged as Kimchi Yamaguchi-san the dancing karate fighter.
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