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Post by Saul Goodman on Sept 27, 2015 11:17:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure what they can do to improve ratings, I do know that it will not take over night to improve them. Sure, they can do something next week on Raw that will bring new interest to the product, but most of the time that does not effect the ratings long term. They need to slowly built a new product with new stars, this takes time and rating will either go down or stay the same. WWE needs to be patience. However, knowing the WWE for the last 10 years, they will panic and press the hard reset button, Cena will be champion again and the product will be the same as it was two years ago. Ratings will go up a little, but they will go down soon after, then the WWE would panic about low ratings. It seems like it is a never ending cycle for WWE ratings, they built something that gets people interested. When they don't see results right away they end it and go back to their old ways.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 12:34:34 GMT -5
Bring Rollins back to the murderous Architect he was before he won the belt. The angle itself seems to be implying that's what HHH and Steph are trying to do anyway. I don't mean just have him be smart, I mean bring back the Curb Stomp as something like the Punt was. Have the commentators mention how it was banned for being a danger but the Authority's favor allowed him to use it again. Then have him become such a sadist he's even out of their control. Bring up someone either from the midcard or NXT to be the one to topple him. I'll say Balor purely because that way you can actually have him lose once, then go all "to slay a monster I must become a monster" and that's how we introduce the Demon. Also at the same time, give Demon mode Balor a more violent moveset. You could even use such a storyline to explain why Balor doesn't just be the Demon all the time by pointing out that he doesn't want to turn into Rollins I like this idea. Putting on my fantasy booking hat, they have match one, it's a competitive match before Rollins goes full-blown sadist after an errant cheap shot and beats Balor to the point that the match doesn't end in a pinfall, even, it's called on account of the beating he's taking. Add in a curb stomp, some great selling by the announcers and Balor, and then you take Balor off TV for 2 weeks to a month. When you're ready to bring him back, you go to the Undertaker playbook, with a lot of mind games being played by a Balor who's acting like he's got a few screws loose. I don't mean with all the quasi-mystical BS, but just a slightly unhinged guy who's hellbent on revenge. He keeps costing Rollins matches by interfering and taking him out, but not going for the Coup de Grace (no pun intended).. do this on and off for a while, and each time Balor gets a little more painted up to show his "Transformation". For the blowoff, it doesn't have to be a gimmick match, but you could do a HIAC or something if you want to amp up the drama. The match would be exactly the barnburner you would think these two could pull off, but ends with a metaphorically possessed, desperate, and angry Balor bringing back the Bloody Sunday (with a new name, for obvious reasons). Not saying the Bloody Sunday should be brought back full time, but for those big-time blood feud matches, I wish they'd allow for a little more clearance in finishers. Ok, so it's not great, and I'm not reinventing the wheel, but seriously, it couldn't hurt to start making villains be villains again instead of just smarmy assholes. Part of the reason the build for Brock/Taker at Summerslam worked so well was because the brawls, the promo, the match itself really made you feel like you were watching two people who wanted to tear each other apart like wild animals. There's nothing wrong with injecting a little bit of hate into a feud if it's warranted.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Sept 27, 2015 12:58:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure what they can do to improve ratings, I do know that it will not take over night to improve them. Sure, they can do something next week on Raw that will bring new interest to the product, but most of the time that does not effect the ratings long term. They need to slowly built a new product with new stars, this takes time and rating will either go down or stay the same. WWE needs to be patience. However, knowing the WWE for the last 10 years, they will panic and press the hard reset button, Cena will be champion again and the product will be the same as it was two years ago. Ratings will go up a little, but they will go down soon after, then the WWE would panic about low ratings. It seems like it is a never ending cycle for WWE ratings, they built something that gets people interested. When they don't see results right away they end it and go back to their old ways. The Attitude Era is mentioned so many times as a successful era, why don't Vince and co.watch their 97-00 product and remind themselves how to make new stars (Austin, Rock, Foley, HHH, Kane, Angle, Jericho etc WITHIN 4 YEARS!!!)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 13:07:56 GMT -5
I'm not sure what they can do to improve ratings, I do know that it will not take over night to improve them. Sure, they can do something next week on Raw that will bring new interest to the product, but most of the time that does not effect the ratings long term. They need to slowly built a new product with new stars, this takes time and rating will either go down or stay the same. WWE needs to be patience. However, knowing the WWE for the last 10 years, they will panic and press the hard reset button, Cena will be champion again and the product will be the same as it was two years ago. Ratings will go up a little, but they will go down soon after, then the WWE would panic about low ratings. It seems like it is a never ending cycle for WWE ratings, they built something that gets people interested. When they don't see results right away they end it and go back to their old ways. The Attitude Era is mentioned so many times as a successful era, why don't Vince and co.watch their 97-00 product and remind themselves how to make new stars (Austin, Rock, Foley, HHH, Kane, Angle, Jericho etc WITHIN 4 YEARS!!!) With the exception of Rock and Angle, all of the aforementioned were vets before they ever came to the 'E. You could make the argument that Vince has Joe, Balor, Zayn, and Owens, but they're different beasts from Austin/Foley/Jericho etc.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Sept 27, 2015 13:12:27 GMT -5
The Attitude Era is mentioned so many times as a successful era, why don't Vince and co.watch their 97-00 product and remind themselves how to make new stars (Austin, Rock, Foley, HHH, Kane, Angle, Jericho etc WITHIN 4 YEARS!!!) With the exception of Rock and Angle, all of the aforementioned were vets before they ever came to the 'E. You could make the argument that Vince has Joe, Balor, Zayn, and Owens, but they're different beasts from Austin/Foley/Jericho etc. Doesn't matter if they were vets or rookies when they came in, I'm talking about making bonafide stars out of these guys, making them look like a million bucks (remember Ziggler at SS14 and the aftermath? Cesaro at WM30 and then what? Owens shocking the world beating Cena in his first main roster match and afterwards...?)
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 27, 2015 13:16:55 GMT -5
I dunno, to me, the whole idea of "making stars" is ass-backwards. The most relevant TV shows are the ones people get deep into the serial storytelling and can water-cooler. Who the hell would binge-watch Raw?
Write good TV and people will care.
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Post by Tessmachers-Ass-Fan on Sept 27, 2015 13:20:44 GMT -5
Watch Lucha Underground and learn.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Sept 27, 2015 13:23:04 GMT -5
I dunno, to me, the whole idea of "making stars" is ass-backwards. The most relevant TV shows are the ones people get deep into the serial storytelling and can water-cooler. Who the hell would binge-watch Raw? Write good TV and people will care. Writing good TV with stale characters (Kane, Show, Authority, Cena, Orton, Sheamus, Bellas...) and lames/losers (Rollins, Ziggler, Cesaro, sometimes Owens, Ryback, Bray) would work how exactly?
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Sept 27, 2015 13:28:15 GMT -5
I dunno, to me, the whole idea of "making stars" is ass-backwards. The most relevant TV shows are the ones people get deep into the serial storytelling and can water-cooler. Who the hell would binge-watch Raw? Write good TV and people will care. Writing good TV with stale characters (Kane, Show, Authority, Cena, Orton, Sheamus, Bellas...) and lames/losers (Rollins, Ziggler, Cesaro, sometimes Owens, Ryback, Bray) would work how exactly? I dunno... in theory it could, but it'd be hard. My point isn't that people like Cesaro should alsways be portrayed as meaningless, but that this focus on the relative status of the performers hinders writing good stories. "Cesaro gets over" isn't a storyline, unless they go meta.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 27, 2015 13:37:03 GMT -5
Writing good TV with stale characters (Kane, Show, Authority, Cena, Orton, Sheamus, Bellas...) and lames/losers (Rollins, Ziggler, Cesaro, sometimes Owens, Ryback, Bray) would work how exactly? I dunno... in theory it could, but it'd be hard. My point isn't that people like Cesaro should alsways be portrayed as meaningless, but that this focus on the relative status of the performers hinders writing good stories. "Cesaro gets over" isn't a storyline, unless they go meta. So like, write good TV, get the storytelling down, then put people into roles within that where they can grow and get over. Hell, I'd say a lot of characters, with the right writing, can be be refreshed. Take Kane, he's been written off and stale many times, then he gets something good like Team Hell No, and he can come back. Mark Henry can can be pretty worthless for over a decade, good writing, he's fresh, over and a World Champion. Doing that for EVERYONE might be too much, and there might be stumbling blocks, but it gives them room to experiment, they do something and ruin a Big Show storyline? Ok, he's established and at the end of the career, not much damage done, the writers learn, do better with the next one and bring in a young guy and are able to boost them up more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 19:47:46 GMT -5
Watch Lucha Underground and learn. Or this. I could tell you a lot more about the angles and the wrestlers from LU than I could current WWE, and LU has much less hours in the week to tell those stories. Lucha Underground has some utterly ridiculous characters and plot lines - their biggest heel is basically Luchador Undertaker - but it works because they treat the product like it's serious, not with this tongue-in-cheek self-loathing of their own product like Vince does.
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